furix Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 we sure do want to make it harder to get people to play this game I don't really care, they play if they want to, they don't if they don't. That's about it, I don't see the reason to force anybody to play if they never wanted to play it to begin with.
Devdan Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 The Pop'n Music side bars are less annoying than I thought they'd be, but I'd still prefer just plain black (or some other color) over either of the current options.
Mightfo Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 I don't really care, they play if they want to, they don't if they don't. That's about it, I don't see the reason to force anybody to play if they never wanted to play it to begin with. playing with the computer is challenging and fun! but no, really, that sort of thing makes it harder to get people to look past the moe and stuff and realize there's a deep game they'll really enjoy. i was very relieved when I saw there were static borders, since the animated ones are distracting shit and make it harder to hype the game, and 16:9 isn't really an option. black borders would be even better, though.
rei-Scarred Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 ugh i want to upload the grand finals but nico is being lame right now. its FionaxNazuna vs. Mei-FangxClarice. Seems like an interesting final match to me :o And damn the Nazuna player is just ridiculous. Kuitan?
Tsuki Garyuu Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 playing with the computer is challenging and fun! but no, really, that sort of thing makes it harder to get people to look past the moe and stuff and realize there's a deep game they'll really enjoy. i was very relieved when I saw there were static borders, since the animated ones are distracting shit and make it harder to hype the game, and 16:9 isn't really an option. black borders would be even better, though. Black borders I'd be better off with. I can already tell what my college buds would say when they see me play this WITH the borders. I'd do it anyway just for the lolz, but for the sake of enjoying the fighting, hence why it's a "fighting game," the sideborders can get distracting. For the Japanese though, they'll have it easy, but that's stating the obvious.
LunaKage Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 Whats wrong with 16:9? aren't they just pulling an MvC2 and extending the backgrounds?
Tu101uk Posted October 31, 2010 Posted October 31, 2010 Whats wrong with 16:9? aren't they just pulling an MvC2 and extending the backgrounds? Nope, it's true 16:9 gameplay, from what many have seen from the TGS footage, meaning all of the spacing, zooming and some of the screen-dependent special moves will be affected. And there are no invisible borders, meaning it'll reach the end of the screen (it also means vertical height will be affected). Most of the Arcana Heart OGs on SRK and the Mizuumi forums reckon that 4:3 with static borders will probably be the default tournament format, just because it'll match the arcade version perfectly and so people will have less trouble should they run into any Japanese players, whereas 16:9 will be too different for many people who are already playing. Heck, it even says on the port's official website that 16:9 mode is intended purely for home consumer use, whereas 4:3 is the true arcade mode... O-O~
LunaKage Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 Damn, I really hate 4:3 after getting this beastly TV, but I guess if I wanna maintain a competitive mindset I'll have to settle on using it. I guess it wont be so bad for me if I got those borders to work with, while most people seem to hate them, I think they're pretty cute.
Farpenoodle Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 Use a CRT. No borders. No lag. All fun. How it was meant to be.
furix Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 playing with the computer is challenging and fun! but no, really, that sort of thing makes it harder to get people to look past the moe and stuff and realize there's a deep game they'll really enjoy. i was very relieved when I saw there were static borders, since the animated ones are distracting shit and make it harder to hype the game, and 16:9 isn't really an option. black borders would be even better, though. That's the thing, the moe will always be there regardless. The animated sidebars or any sidebars don't make a difference at all. If they still want to play even after realizing the game will always be moe, then good for them. But, if they already see it as a moe little girls game and they never intended to play, and instead decide to find any excuse to not play it... Then whatever nothing was lost. All I am saying is that they'll play it if they really wanted to anyway, there is no reason for the sidebars to be the factor for anybody to play or not, if they are the type of person who wouldn't play a game because it has a moe sidebar... Then yeah, it's probably the type of person I wouldn't had liked to be playing this game with anyway(Because it's probably a dumbass to begin with).
CakeWasBannedd Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 That's the thing, the moe will always be there regardless. The animated sidebars or any sidebars don't make a difference at all. If they still want to play even after realizing the game will always be moe, then good for them. But, if they already see it as a moe little girls game and they never intended to play, and instead decide to find any excuse to not play it... Then whatever nothing was lost. All I am saying is that they'll play it if they really wanted to anyway, there is no reason for the sidebars to be the factor for anybody to play or not, if they are the type of person who wouldn't play a game because it has a moe sidebar... Then yeah, it's probably the type of person I wouldn't had liked to be playing this game with anyway(Because it's probably a dumbass to begin with). quoted for truth stay gdlk, furix <3
Devdan Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 People saying the word moe over and over again is why no one respects this game. I can't believe that word hasn't been phased out yet, it doesn't mean anything. This game is full of want to protect huh, ok.
Mightfo Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) That's the thing, the moe will always be there regardless. The animated sidebars or any sidebars don't make a difference at all. If they still want to play even after realizing the game will always be moe, then good for them. But, if they already see it as a moe little girls game and they never intended to play, and instead decide to find any excuse to not play it... Then whatever nothing was lost. All I am saying is that they'll play it if they really wanted to anyway, there is no reason for the sidebars to be the factor for anybody to play or not, if they are the type of person who wouldn't play a game because it has a moe sidebar... Then yeah, it's probably the type of person I wouldn't had liked to be playing this game with anyway(Because it's probably a dumbass to begin with). If someone who has tons of different fighting games to choose from sees AH3, it's probably not going to be their first pick to investigate as to whether they play it or not, unless they immediately see interesting things like time arcana E mirror image oki. If the see some stupid-ass animated sidebars, they're probably going to go "ahaha, this looks like some bad "fanservice" game that throws that crap in their because there's not much to the actual game" and are much less likely to pay attention to it. It's not like the people who would be turned away by sidebars hate anime or something. Some of them even like characters like Konoha and Fiona. The thing is is that having animo characters is one thing, but stuff like the animated sidebars is going to distract them from the interesting stuff in the fight itself and make them not bother investigating the game when they have so much other shit to play. These people, fairly hardcore fighting game players, will assume it's just "little girls flying around" and not look into it any further unless someone presents a bundle of interesting information to them. The game is deemphasized. Naturally, their apathy can be cured if someone sits down with them and tells them about it, but it still costs players. Just because they don't want to bother investigating something that has an obnoxious animation of a little girl on the side doesn't mean they're dumbasses. It's not about being a factor of play, it's about whether they bother to find out about the game, which is hurt if the game just presents itself as little girls jumping around and not a fucking excellent game. "They'll play it if they really wanted to" doesn't really apply. It's not like they clearly realize that the game really has a lot of depth. Front page posts on shoryuken and shit don't really talk about what matters. They get to see the cast, and they see the unnecessary sidebars, and they might see that there's high air mobility, but that doesn't mean they get to see what would really excite them about the game. "Nothing was lost" is bullshit. A player who might have looked up the system of the game and enjoyed the hell out of it looks to other games instead because they don't put some distracting junk at the side. The attacks and such of characters like Heart simply aren't as bad as the animated sidebars, by far. We'll obviously get all the people who like the idea of a cast 80% composed of little anime girls, but we want to get more hardcore fighting players who have a decent level of anime tolerance, too. People saying the word moe over and over again is why no one respects this game. I can't believe that word hasn't been phased out yet, it doesn't mean anything. This game is full of want to protect huh, ok. being a somewhat vague word=being meaningless, ok dad Edited November 1, 2010 by Mightfo
DogsofWar Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 If someone who has tons of different fighting games to choose from sees AH3, it's probably not going to be their first pick to investigate as to whether they play it or not, unless they immediately see interesting things like time arcana E mirror image oki. If someones in the market for a fighting game, All they really have to do is look for the Arc Systems logo. If you're a fan of fighting games then that logo is almost like an instant seal of approval (i say almost because i REALLY didn't like Battle Fantasia). The odds are, if you're a casual fighting game fan, you're going for the big name fighting games like SSF4 or Tekken6 anyway.Then you're going to get bored, and trade them in for Madden. But most serious fighting game fans, research the game long before it hits the shelves. However, As far as "walk in and buy", this game is going to draw the anime crowd long before it draws in the CFGFs.(and trust me, their are ALOT of people who look for games with anime on the cover) Back on topic: The sidebars will help attract anime fans, But i cant see the sidebars being THAT big of a problem to where fighting game fans will avoid a great game simply because of them.
Delrian Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 If someones in the market for a fighting game, All they really have to do is look for the Arc Systems logo. If you're a fan of fighting games then that logo is almost like an instant seal of approval (i say almost because i REALLY didn't like Battle Fantasia). The odds are, if you're a casual fighting game fan, you're going for the big name fighting games like SSF4 or Tekken6 anyway.Then you're going to get bored, and trade them in for Madden. But most serious fighting game fans, research the game long before it hits the shelves. However, As far as "walk in and buy", this game is going to draw the anime crowd long before it draws in the CFGFs.(and trust me, their are ALOT of people who look for games with anime on the cover) Back on topic: The sidebars will help attract anime fans, But i cant see the sidebars being THAT big of a problem to where fighting game fans will avoid a great game simply because of them. I think he was talking about building a local scene (converting players of other genres in many cases) to play games with. The sidebars in this case would bar off potential new players, which can be good or bad. (bad for building a community, good for keeping the stupid ones out).
DogsofWar Posted November 1, 2010 Posted November 1, 2010 Yeah after re-reading that i think your right. This will never be a mainstream game, but i think the bars will actually attract more people who are anime fans from other genres. If that doesnt work, im pretty sure the "Equip characters with Acrana's to alter your character!" on the back cover will seal the deal.
furix Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 I think he was talking about building a local scene (converting players of other genres in many cases) to play games with. The sidebars in this case would bar off potential new players, which can be good or bad. (bad for building a community, good for keeping the stupid ones out). This pretty much, I'd rather weed out all the stupid ones. So, I have to thank the side bars. :] Anyway, I think this is probably enough talk about side bars, as this discussion never gets anywhere anyway. It's my fault, but let's continue on with a regular thread now.
Spud Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) It seems to me like most anime fighting games in general don't get that much love Stateside in general. Melty Blood took years of dedication from its player base to get any kind of legitimate scene, correct? BB has had some ups and downs, and its community has been pretty divided at times. At least from what I can generally tell. I mean, as far as I can think of off the top of my head no anime-style fighting game has reached SF or Tekken level appeal. So isn't it kind of pointless to think/assume that AH3 will have a great reception among average U.S. gamers? Correct me if I'm wrong plz. This isn't rhetorical, I'm really just a curious scrub. Edited November 2, 2010 by Spud
Tsuki Garyuu Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) So isn't it kind of pointless to think/assume that AH3 will have a great reception among average U.S. gamers? Of course it won't get that kind of reception. It's a "this game is not for everyone" thing. It's a good game for a certain community, we're just not gonna see everyone showing that kind of love. Most anime/moe fans will have the curiosity to buy this game. A while ago, I said that I was curious when I saw AH1. It took me a while to get used to the moe and like the game. However, that was years ago. I see AH3, and clearly EXAMU wants the anime/otaku crowd along with the fighting game community. We should all know by now that it won't get the same reception it deserves unless you're one of the people who care about the game and not its "cover art." Besides that, America likes masculinity. Why else would most people like Tekken or SF4? Whether or not I'm staying on topic, these things are clear. "Opinions are opinions." Don't like the sidebars? Turn em off. You like the sidebars? Fine then. You like the sidebars but don't wish to show them to your friends? Your choice. You want to show the sidebars for the lolz? Your choice. I think we're done here. Edited November 2, 2010 by Tsuki Garyuu
SolxBaiken Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 So upon looking at the site... Is Parace a boss exclusive to Score Attack mode!? If so that's super weak and also means Mildred should be in...damn it... >.>
Spud Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 Of course it won't get that kind of reception. It's a "this game is not for everyone" thing. It's a good game for a certain community, we're just not gonna see everyone showing that kind of love. Most anime/moe fans will have the curiosity to buy this game. A while ago, I said that I was curious when I saw AH1. It took me a while to get used to the moe and like the game. However, that was years ago. I see AH3, and clearly EXAMU wants the anime/otaku crowd along with the fighting game community. We should all know by now that it won't get the same reception it deserves unless you're one of the people who care about the game and not its "cover art." Besides that, America likes masculinity. Why else would most people like Tekken or SF4? Whether or not I'm staying on topic, these things are clear. "Opinions are opinions." Don't like the sidebars? Turn em off. You like the sidebars? Fine then. You like the sidebars but don't wish to show them to your friends? Your choice. You want to show the sidebars for the lolz? Your choice. I think we're done here. Makes sense, thanks.
donutman46 Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 So upon looking at the site... Is Parace a boss exclusive to Score Attack mode!? If so that's super weak and also means Mildred should be in...damn it... >.> I think she is playable as well. Not entirely sure. That would suck though :\
Tsuki Garyuu Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 I think she is playable as well. Not entirely sure. That would suck though :\ I'm thinking of Unlimited characters for AH already. Angelica was boss material too.
furix Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 Yeah, I am hoping that Parace has a non-broken gameplay... But, shit all her attacks in AH2 were broken SNK boss style attacks.
Tu101uk Posted November 2, 2010 Posted November 2, 2010 Yeah, I am hoping that Parace has a non-broken gameplay... But, shit all her attacks in AH2 were broken SNK boss style attacks. Yeah, about that... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXXkT0Rucbw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4-Xr6hyyeY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCzLwTtSYOQ I can't believe I hadn't seen these vids up until now... XD For now, the official site implies that she is Score Attack-only boss monster. We may get her later as unlockable or DLC? Who knows. Mildred would be good, but they need to improve the AI on her as she was too piss easy compared to that cloth-wearing wench... >.> O-O~
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