Guilty Gear series under-rated?

[ajinkris]

Damn wish I was that ElevenShadow guy, english teacher in Japan, and he gets to fight dam japs -_-

l o l.

[Luv-Sic]

Marketing/advertising could probably one of the reasons as to why it's underrated, but I think that this game simply does not cater to the mainstream audience. Hype it up all you want, but in the end I'm skeptical that ppl will care. I think I saw a review on G4 and the reviewers there said that the game's cast of characters were too bizarre and gave it a 2 or 3 stars out of 5. Screw them.

[Chrome Homura]

the game's cast of characters were too bizarre

Well here we have it, folks. This is apparently the biggest reason Americans don't like GG.

The characters are too weird.

[ihpsta]

weird is what makes everything in this world fun.

[Raiderwarlord99]

It's funny how everyone cry about how they want something different so we hand something different to them (Guilty Gear) & they claim it's too different. "What the hell man Bridget is a girl not a guy!" "There's a gay guy in here!? WHAT!" "What the hell is a slashback? That sounds dumb."

[Chrome Homura]

"There's a gay guy in here!? WHAT!"

Uhh... wtf? The entire cast of SF is gay and and no one seems to mind that, how can one character cause such a response?

wait. Nevermind. Too weird.

[The Blacktastic]

The entire cast of SF is gay and and no one seems to mind that

B-b-but Ken has a wife and kid! I mean...

--Wait a second.

I gets it now.

Good cover, Ken Masters.

[Darkhonor90]

Real talk the main reason people in america hate GG is because all the players are weeapoo faggots. Not all of them but a huge majority of them. I can't remember the countless times I've been to tournaments and people dressed someone or wearing cat ears or something while mid tournament. Add that in with the lack of hype/riviary and you got yourself a pretty medicore scene. You have no idea how many times I've heard that from other communities. ''Oh I tried getting into that game but the scene for that game is a bunch of faggots and boring to shit'' Its true though. Nobodies hypes shit and there is no 2000 dollar money matches or teams etc etc. The community itself is way to nice and not enough shit talking. lol a friend of mine recently told me that the first time he saw guilty gear in a huge scene was at evo (2004? I think?) and he saw some guy dressed as a samurai playing that shit. He face palmed so hard.

[Hi-C]

is because all the players are weeapoo faggots. a huge majority of them. Add that in with the lack of hype/riviary and you got yourself a pretty medicore scene.

Its true though. Nobodies hypes shit and there is no 2000 dollar money matches or teams etc etc. The community itself is way to nice and not enough shit talking.

lol a friend of mine recently told me that the first time he saw guilty gear in a huge scene was at evo (2004? I think?) and he saw some guy dressed as a samurai playing that shit. He face palmed so hard.

Now that you mention it, I do see a lot of cosplayers (be it GG cosplay or some FF cosplay or whatever) or something playing GG. The SFIV scene has at least normally dressed people. :/

No hype? Yeah... and we're not mean at all. We're just so desperare for players that we HAVE TO ACT nice to draw people in right? Actually we kinda are.

[Shining Aquas]

So....the plan is to run up and down a college dorm dressed up like we're from the ghetto, shouting "Yo dawg this Guilty Gear game is the shit, y'all know what I'm sayin' bra?" That would be the way to start up some shit talking, or at least start up a community that is bound to shit talk. Alternatively, we could just go to war with the Street Fighter community. We could just do what I do: Conscript new players. Go out, find people you know, force them to play a couple games of GG with other people who don't know what they're doing, and answer questions if anyone has any.

[Sakret]

From what I've seen and done trying to get into the GG scene,I'm lead to believe there are easy simple solutions to why Guilty Gear is so horribly underrated on this side of the globe. The biggest one being that the only current gen home console the game is on right now is the Wii. Now the issue with that is how the wii's entire market is based around casual gamers, a general crowd of gamers who would look at guilty gear and see it as being wayyyy too complex for their taste and then go settle on playing some wii sports. Oh and how miserable the wii controls are, and how if you get a fight pad for the Wii your just wasting money because its a casual console and no other worth while fighters will be on it. The next problem is how Guilty Gear's only other console (not counting arcades) is the PS2. Based on the mindsets I've seen form other people, it really just breaks down to "why would I play an old game on an old console when I have new games on a new console to play with?" Finally, in arcades the learning curve is extremely high and normally theres a dust looper or a local player crowding around it. Which, while its fun for the players it, it makes the game that much more intimidating for the average gamer. Well, I'm bored with explaining so lemme just do the rest of this explanation in story form: Once upon a time there was a boy named Billy, who was walking into an arcade and sees a GG cabinet. "Oh" he gleefully thinks to himself, "what a fun looking game, is that robot a pimp? oh wow he must be amazing!" But as he innocently trots over to the cabinet he sees the actual gameplay by the people on this machine and absolute terror begins to play across his childish features. "Geez, do I have to learn how to play like that just to have fun?" he woefully thinks to himself. "That'll take millions of quarters before I can do any of that, and even then these players will stomp me, not to mention I am a very poor american" his timid little mind concluded. "Not only that, but I can't really talk to these players and ask them how to learn cause thats still making me do too much work! and one of them can shank me..." as he nervously glances at the players there, one of them being a potemkin player and the other being a johnny player. So with despair sinking in, he sadly slinks away from this amazing game with a robo-pimp and commits 2D fighter suicide by slitting his wrists and then playing Street Fighter IV and Marvel Vs Capcom before sinking into a new level of despair and joining the Super Smash brothers brawl competitive scene. He now plays metaknight and believes that SSBB is the best 2D fighter in the word while proclaiming GG is for fags. The end . okay back to explanation. Now if Billy had gone and played with the GG kids, he would have been spared his terrible fate. But then the next hurdle he'd have to jump through would be learning the combos, learning the specials, and having time to practice. All of which can either be done through an arcade, a laptop and alot of cash, or by paying for a ps2, a stick, the game, a laptop to log on here and having even more cash. tl;dr cons of GG in the eyes of the average gamer: -not on a current gen console that matters -nobody cares for the PS2 now that the PS3 is out -learning in an arcade is too much work for too much money -learning in an arcade gets too complex and eventually you need practice an arcade can't give you -without GG most gamers are doomed to an existance of SFIV, MvC2, and SSBB ....in retrospect maybe this wasn't so simple afterall...

[x3AlexSaysRawr]

I brought in my copy of GGAC+ on my psp to school one day All my friends who were into fighters told it looked retarded and when I asked why they told me the following things: - It says "Slash" when you win/lose the battle - They didn't get the point of having RC and FRC's - Most of the characters didn't make sense (Faust, Zappa) - They hadn't heard of it before so it must be stupid I lent it to my friend and as I watched him play he simply mashed the face buttons until he inevitably lost to a computer. I tried to explain to him that you couldn't randomly jump and attack and then expect to win, at which he point he gave me the game back because he didn't feel like having to learn some stupid combos to play a game half-decently. It sucks that people over-look real gaming gems because they're lazy and/or stupid.

[Sakret]

I brought in my copy of GGAC+ on my psp to school one day

All my friends who were into fighters told it looked retarded and when I asked why they told me the following things:

- It says "Slash" when you win/lose the battle

- They didn't get the point of having RC and FRC's

- Most of the characters didn't make sense (Faust, Zappa)

- They hadn't heard of it before so it must be stupid

I lent it to my friend and as I watched him play he simply mashed the face buttons until he inevitably lost to a computer. I tried to explain to him that you couldn't randomly jump and attack and then expect to win, at which he point he gave me the game back because he didn't feel like having to learn some stupid combos to play a game half-decently. It sucks that people over-look real gaming gems because they're lazy and/or stupid.

:psyduck:what?? Wow thats pretty unbelievable...

But then again, when was the handheld fighter taken seriously? Plus the crazyness adds in a fun charm.

I agree its dumb that people end up doing things like that just cause they're lazy (stupid to some degree) but to be fair for the other side, it doesn't seem like you can make a good game in the industry without having some way for casual players and serious gamers to meet in the center. Guilty Gear seems to represent one side of the spectrum where in order to play and have fun you need to be serious about it. This is also why Street Fighter IV has done so well, since you can beat the game with just hadoken/shoryuken spams and it makes you feel like your doing good and to some degree put you up to a decent level with minamal effort. But if you want to get better, theres still a deeper level.

By comparison, GG only has that (much) deeper level without the surface scrubbery needed to draw in a crowd.

Your friends are morons though.

[ajinkris]

Actually the real reason why scrubs don't pick up this game is because they want Potemkin to go home first. Just saying.

[Redefinition]

Actually the real reason why scrubs don't pick up this game is because they want Potemkin to go home first.

Just saying.

+rep

[x3AlexSaysRawr]

:psyduck:what?? Wow thats pretty unbelievable...

But then again, when was the handheld fighter taken seriously? Plus the crazyness adds in a fun charm.

I agree its dumb that people end up doing things like that just cause they're lazy (stupid to some degree) but to be fair for the other side, it doesn't seem like you can make a good game in the industry without having some way for casual players and serious gamers to meet in the center. Guilty Gear seems to represent one side of the spectrum where in order to play and have fun you need to be serious about it. This is also why Street Fighter IV has done so well, since you can beat the game with just hadoken/shoryuken spams and it makes you feel like your doing good and to some degree put you up to a decent level with minamal effort. But if you want to get better, theres still a deeper level.

By comparison, GG only has that (much) deeper level without the surface scrubbery needed to draw in a crowd.

Your friends are morons though.

Yea, those are some extremely minor things to get worked up over

But when I say fighter my friends say Tekken, and if it's not Tekken they couldn't care two shits about it. They don't even find BlazBlue interesting

[danceljoy]

But when I say fighter my friends say Tekken, and if it's not Tekken they couldn't care two shits about it. They don't even find BlazBlue interesting

Same goes for me...

I think its because there are actually more people who's more interested in winning or showing off than experiencing gameplay. Actually, it goes that way for many things. It's where the hype actually lands.

I like Tekken, but frankly many players do feel good with the hits they land off, especially if it comes from their button mashing skills. *cough* Lily, Eddie, Christie, Hwoarang, Baek *cough.* But the deal is actually the learning curve, like everybody else mentions. Here's my story:

Back in high school, the boys would borrow PSP's, including mine for around 2 hours a day to practice. During story mode, after a couple of retries in easy mode, they can already defeat Jinpachi. In a week they can already execute pretty aerial combos and play at an acceptable level.

The only one who got interested in my GG borrowed my PSP everyday too. Took him a week before he could finally defeat Boss I-No in beginner mode, plus the bonus that I actually taught him how to dodge megalomania. In my brother's case, when I introduced GG to him he chose Potemkin. Pot because "I could deal big damage with one timed hit!" When he couldn't "spam" anymore, he got tired of it.

Also, I myself has remained a scrub, never even learning RC's and FRC's. Reason: I have no playmate for competition

[Kasou]

:it doesn't seem like you can make a good game in the industry without having some way for casual players and serious gamers to meet in the center. Guilty Gear seems to represent one side of the spectrum where in order to play and have fun you need to be serious about it. This is also why Street Fighter IV has done so well, since you can beat the game with just hadoken/shoryuken spams and it makes you feel like your doing good and to some degree put you up to a decent level with minamal effort. But if you want to get better, theres still a deeper level.

By comparison, GG only has that (much) deeper level without the surface scrubbery needed to draw in a crowd..

Spot fucking on. Hopefully they make GG for the new consoles or for the pc with REAL net code so it'll stay alive. ANd hopefully they add some type of training mode that TEACHES some bread n butters so that people don't have to go to youtube and forums from the very beginning.

fuck i miss gg to death... >o<

[Sakret]

Spot fucking on. Hopefully they make GG for the new consoles or for the pc with REAL net code so it'll stay alive. ANd hopefully they add some type of training mode that TEACHES some bread n butters so that people don't have to go to youtube and forums from the very beginning.

fuck i miss gg to death... >o<

Come to think of it, wouldn't that be another reason why SFIV got so popular? I mean it did have a mode where you learned your characer's BnBs.

I wish there was a larger GG scene here...

Also I don't think its more so about winning but just a good feeling... Okay, nevermind. After thinking on it more maybe its just that people wanting a simple and easy way to win. Like...I dunno...pointing and clicking on someone's head... *subtle jab at FPS*

[Kasou]

Come to think of it, wouldn't that be why SFIV got so popular? I mean it did have a mode where you learned your characer's BnBs.

I wish there was a larger GG scene here...

it's got netcode too lets not forget. If they have some brains they should make GG for new gen console, with net code and also helps you pair with those that are about the same level as you. As for stopping rage quitters? who gives a fuck.

anyway GG are for the elites not for the noobs. GG are for the competitors not for the scrubs. And in this day and age, there are only scrubs and noobs. Shrug

[Shining Aquas]

Sorry, but I've been having a hard time following this whole thing, mostly because everywhere I go, I've had little to no trouble starting up a GG scene.

Granted, the second time around I created it out of a CvS2/SF2 scene, but the first time I created it from the sprawls of Brawl and Halo.

I think part of the problem is you need to be more engaged with the people you are trying to interest, show them some cool shit to be interested in. Also, find larger groups of new players. There are almost no players that want to learn this game alone, believe me.

That last one is crucial. I've had optimal success by simply calling a bunch of people over, putting the game on, letting the awesome rock intro play through, plugging in 2 controllers, giving 2 random players controllers and watching the carnage commence. I set up ground rules (loser switches out, winner switches out if 3 games won in a row), let a good 7-10 matches go, ask for next, destroy someone for one round, switch out, and let the carnage commence again. Somehow, it works, I haven't seen it not work yet.

[Kasou]

sounds good. Totally agreed. Singling ppl out and teaching them one by one is no go. But bringing it to a bunch of ppl a few ppl at the same level can pick it up AT the same time. And they have each other to play against instead of against someone whose already really strong.

[Sakret]

Sorry, but I've been having a hard time following this whole thing, mostly because everywhere I go, I've had little to no trouble starting up a GG scene.

Granted, the second time around I created it out of a CvS2/SF2 scene, but the first time I created it from the sprawls of Brawl and Halo.

I think part of the problem is you need to be more engaged with the people you are trying to interest, show them some cool shit to be interested in. Also, find larger groups of new players. There are almost no players that want to learn this game alone, believe me.

That last one is crucial. I've had optimal success by simply calling a bunch of people over, putting the game on, letting the awesome rock intro play through, plugging in 2 controllers, giving 2 random players controllers and watching the carnage commence. I set up ground rules (loser switches out, winner switches out if 3 games won in a row), let a good 7-10 matches go, ask for next, destroy someone for one round, switch out, and let the carnage commence again. Somehow, it works, I haven't seen it not work yet.

While I do agree with this, the problem I've been facing is making it a "oh I want to learn GG" in the long term. Primarily what I end up finding is they'll stick with the game for about a few weeks, even a month, and then they'll return back to the nether regions from whence they came (Halo, melee, SFIV, etc)

[Blackgenma]

While I do agree with this, the problem I've been facing is making it a "oh I want to learn GG" in the long term. Primarily what I end up finding is they'll stick with the game for about a few weeks, even a month, and then they'll return back to the nether regions from whence they came (Halo, melee, SFIV, etc)

well, can you think of a reason why is that? what makes them lose interest in the game?

[Sakret]

They just eventually get bored of it. I can't think of much of an explanation outside of I'm preaching to a crowd thats a bunch of die-hards for their games. I'm okay with it since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it'd be nice if they'd join and play here and there. o.O hey wait aren't we a little off topic? I thought this was supposed to be about how GG is underrated.