zeth07 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Hey guys I am having trouble landing this combo 6B,2A,5B,jB,j4C, 623B (can do the rest). The 623B part is whiffing for me now. I could get it before (starting to think i was dreaming). I am trying it on Ragna. man i hope this not a char specific combo Cos it's a good setup for dmg ay. Overhead and all. Saw Satoshi do it and have been trying to master it since. Thanks for any help. It doesn't work on Ragna. You should man up and just do 6B>2A>5B>623B>d.6B>2B>623B>d.6B>2C. But no seriously, you can just do 6B>2A>5B>623B>5D>air ender. Or look in the combo section for the highest damage one that still gives oki (or max damage no oki, whatever).
huey253 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 my 6B combo (almost universal) 6B 2A 5B 623B dash 6B 2B tk 623B 5B 2B j4C jC i dunno if this has been posted or not :3
weazzyefff Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 LOL thats a pretty mint combo. After the 623B the d.6B don't work for me Only tried it a few times but should be easy enought to crack it first time ay lol. I tried it on Arakune.
huey253 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 its almost not even a dash, and its midscreen only
weazzyefff Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Oh yup, your right i got that bit now. There's no combo for 6B on the ccombo thread. I will try Huey one. But what is tk? Is it tiger knee? So would the 623B be the air version? hmmm.
DaiAndOh Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Oh yup, your right i got that bit now. There's no combo for 6B on the ccombo thread. I will try Huey one. But what is tk? Is it tiger knee? So would the 623B be the air version? hmmm. Yes TK is Tiger Knee.
weazzyefff Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Yer your right i got it now. Theres no 6B combo in the combo thread. I'm gonna try your one Hueyy. But what is tk? Tiger knee? hmmm. So you mean the j 623B? Hey Zeth is your combo actually practical? It ends in 2C? Don't know if your joking or not lol. Do you's know what chars that first combo i said works on? Satoshi did it so it's probably the best for certain chars. It's not too hard either. edit: crap found some for 6B in the combo thread lol. oh kk. How you tk 623B? i'm trying 62369B? not working??? Edited January 5, 2011 by weazzyefff
Justice7541 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 This discussion reminded that 2B 623B d.6B 2C works. Turns out it's great for bumper setup off everything, I just got kicked from some random scrub room online for trolling with it.
weazzyefff Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Man you know in Bangs frkz bnb? I can't seem to get the 2B after landing. Noel keep teching out before i get it. I'm mashing the shit outta it to. Anyone know what i'm doing wrong? And is Bangs whole strategy to get FRKZ? Like when do you use it? Also sorry to be a bother but how do you use his FRKZ to mix up. Like do you just dash through them to start mix up? Thanks guys. And how do you mash out his Daifunka? Seen top players do it. Is there some sorta of shortcut for it? I keep failing. Edited January 9, 2011 by weazzyefff
Justice7541 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Man you know in Bangs frkz bnb? I can't seem to get the 2B after landing. Noel keep teching out before i get it. I'm mashing the shit outta it to. Anyone know what i'm doing wrong? And is Bangs whole strategy to get FRKZ? Like when do you use it? Also sorry to be a bother but how do you use his FRKZ to mix up. Like do you just dash through them to start mix up? Thanks guys. And how do you mash out his Daifunka? Seen top players do it. Is there some sorta of shortcut for it? I keep failing. Uhhhhh... 1) If you can't do 9-dash j.4Cx3 j.D 2B, then just do two j.4Cs then 2-dash 2B. In fact j.4Cx3 won't even work off some starters. 2) Bang is legit without FRKZ. I normally use FRKZ when I need/want the mixup options and huge damage, and don't anticipate rushdown/approach being that big of an issue. That's why I generally don't recommend using it on Ragna or Tao, they will clean the floor with you if they ever hit you while you're in FRKZ. 3) You hit them and start mixing it up. Dash into the air and j.B/C for overhead, dash down 2A for low, dash through 5B for crossup, etc. 4) What do you mean mash it out? You do the input and press the button and it comes out.
weazzyefff Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Oh yup sweet bro cool. Yer i been doing well without FRKZ. I just thought that i would do better if i started going into it. Plus the damage output i saw on one FRKZ combo vid on youtube was massive though he used 5b,2B,2C dash cancel 2D as his starter and was doing it on Litchi. Plus he got like 5 j4C's in and used a nail before Daifunkaing. I'll just show you the vid lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkqp1s6tO1o Oh n/m i thought you could mash it out cos i seen players do it through block strings and the sort. Mash out is like mashing the stick and mashing the C so as soon as you are free on frame advantage the daifunka will come out. It's common in other fighting games. I found out you can half circle back twice and push C to daifunka by random. ust wondering if this is how the pro's do it? Worked well in one game i had. I just mashed the shit outta fhalf circle backs and the C. Didn't get to rigorously test it out though. edit: I know now why i wasn't getting the 2B after the 3rd j4C. I need to hit Noel low on the jD after the 3rd j4C. Thanks. Edited January 9, 2011 by weazzyefff
Justice7541 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 No one's mashing, bro. It's called timing. Also Daifunka is slow as hell, you never mash it out randomly.
huey253 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Oh yup sweet bro cool. Yer i been doing well without FRKZ. I just thought that i would do better if i started going into it. Plus the damage output i saw on one FRKZ combo vid on youtube was massive though he used 5b,2B,2C dash cancel 2D as his starter and was doing it on Litchi. Plus he got like 5 j4C's in and used a nail before Daifunkaing. I'll just show you the vid lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkqp1s6tO1o Oh n/m i thought you could mash it out cos i seen players do it through block strings and the sort. Mash out is like mashing the stick and mashing the C so as soon as you are free on frame advantage the daifunka will come out. It's common in other fighting games. I found out you can half circle back twice and push C to daifunka by random. ust wondering if this is how the pro's do it? Worked well in one game i had. I just mashed the shit outta fhalf circle backs and the C. Didn't get to rigorously test it out though. edit: I know now why i wasn't getting the 2B after the 3rd j4C. I need to hit Noel low on the jD after the 3rd j4C. Thanks. i saw someone get astrolled once for doing daifunka in the middle of someone's blockstring. it was pretty funny actually, but i've haven't seen that person do it again.
weazzyefff Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 I see Satoshi and Dora do it all the time. OK maybe there not mashing. But atleast i found a shortcut to it. It definaltely better than normal input.
huey253 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 man, if you wanna get better, don't mash out reversal super. i'm trying my hardest not to troll you
Dacidbro Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 There is a time and place for reversal daifunka, but it's together with a strong read. You read or react wrong, you WILL eat shit. Huey is very wrong to say never do it. If you should never do it, the top Bang players would never do it, but that's just not the case at all.
Reioumu Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Dacidbro doesn't even say the reasoning other than "top players do it." That's obviously top player reasoning right there. herp derp Try to understand why they do it... Because they have the option and are known for doing it, then you're more scared to push slower buttons like overheads because they could reversal through it and make you eat damage. The fear of that option is enough to make an opponent doubt their own moves/mixups. The only problem is, reversal daifunka is really dangerous to do, it's punishable on block, or on reaction with another invincible move. Using your options adds on that extra layer of yomi which can either make matches more nailbiting or fun. Of course, I've been taught to just "do it."
huey253 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) i never said never, i'm just trying to imply that you should avoid doing it. AVOID if you focus really hard, you can see the startup of really slow normals, which is when you should mash it out :3 its less effective againist really good people (much harder to read) but defintely possible! Edited January 10, 2011 by huey253
StarryShade Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 The only time you should use a reversal Daifunka is either: when you have 100 meter, or you KNOW it will hit.
huey253 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 The only time you should use a reversal Daifunka is either: when you have 100 meter, or you KNOW it will hit. that was before i watched what happened dacidbro. i honestly thought he was going to just rc until i saw the second super flash LOL
Dacidbro Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 "Top players do it" isn't the reasoning, just a demo. Much, much faster than typing out a hundred reasons to use it.
weazzyefff Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) Oh kk i know what you's mean. I will badly avoid it from now on unless i have 100 heat. Thanks. I have seen top players get punished for it too lol. In other game you never see top player do such risky stuff i though it must be good. Anyway. I read in the Hazama matchup that blocked chains are unsafe. I try to punish but get counter hit to death lol. Is this a big typo or am i not punishing properly. i'm sticking out 5a. This scrub Hazam just do it all day on me. My bang not manly enough. And thanks for not trolling me lol. edit: What combo do you do on tager in the corner? He is the biggest char should have good combo ay. But i can't even BnB him in corner lol. And how do you punish Noel overhead? It say punish her but not use 5A or 5B? What you use? 2A? Edited January 11, 2011 by weazzyefff
Reioumu Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) The only time you should use a reversal Daifunka is either: when you have 100 meter, or you KNOW it will hit. No, 100 meter doesn't mean it's a good idea. It can be 1. Jumped over 2. Reacted to by another invincible move And then you waste 100 meter which could have been used on a CA or RC in a better place. Of course, just because it isn't a good idea doesn't mean it's not an option which you can still use. Just use rarely imo. @Dacidbro: Then your reasoning has no backing. It's like saying "That really cool guy killed himself, you should too." If you're going to offer a point of view on the matter, then you should explain the reasoning. Edited January 11, 2011 by Reioumu
Justice7541 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Oh kk i know what you's mean. I will badly avoid it from now on unless i have 100 heat. Thanks. I have seen top players get punished for it too lol. In other game you never see top player do such risky stuff i though it must be good. Anyway. I read in the Hazama matchup that blocked chains are unsafe. I try to punish but get counter hit to death lol. Is this a big typo or am i not punishing properly. i'm sticking out 5a. This scrub Hazam just do it all day on me. My bang not manly enough. And thanks for not trolling me lol. edit: What combo do you do on tager in the corner? He is the biggest char should have good combo ay. But i can't even BnB him in corner lol. And how do you punish Noel overhead? It say punish her but not use 5A or 5B? What you use? 2A? There's really no free punish for Noel's overhead since it's only -4. I've actually found that j.4B is the best punish on IB though. After 6B, she can 3C, 5D, 2D, 6D, or 4D. If you try to 5A or 5B any of those moves Noel will beat you clean (IB 5A will beat 5D and 6D but only if she gatlings straight into them without delay). 2A isn't any better either. What is pretty much universally safe is IBing 6B and then jumping forward and holding back immediately. If she does 3C or 6D you will just jump over and can land a j.4B for punish. If she does 2D or 4D you will jump IB and can punish with 5A/5B when you land. If she does 5D it will normally hit you out of a forward jump, but if you hold back Bang will go into air blocking stance and that actually shrinks his hitbox over the 5D. It's a lulzy option select but it does work. If she doesn't follow up 6B with anything, though, don't try to punish, you'll just eat a 4D AA. Edited January 12, 2011 by Justice7541
Sharakonta Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Oh kk i know what you's mean. I will badly avoid it from now on unless i have 100 heat. Thanks. I have seen top players get punished for it too lol. In other game you never see top player do such risky stuff i though it must be good. Anyway. I read in the Hazama matchup that blocked chains are unsafe. I try to punish but get counter hit to death lol. Is this a big typo or am i not punishing properly. i'm sticking out 5a. This scrub Hazam just do it all day on me. My bang not manly enough. And thanks for not trolling me lol. edit: What combo do you do on tager in the corner? He is the biggest char should have good combo ay. But i can't even BnB him in corner lol. And how do you punish Noel overhead? It say punish her but not use 5A or 5B? What you use? 2A? Yes the chains are bad on block, us Haz's are told NOT to chain in on block because it leaves us open for a CH AA combo best thing I could suggest is use something like Ragna's 6A *using that as an example cause it's CH me into a combo before* Or keep guarding and the best thing to do in that situation if you do keep guarding is to standing guard unless you see them bout to land and haven't j.B j.C or j.2C which the standing guard will prevent from hitting but if they're gonna land switch to crouching to block the 3C or 2B that most likely is about to happen.
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