[CS1] Bang Discussion and Question Thread

[Dacidbro]

All of his air normals are great

[ZONG_one]

after playing a little more, i'm convinced that j.A is bang's best anti-air

To which I disagree anyway, but anti-air was his point.

Not which jumping normal is the best.

[Dacidbro]

Yeah, mine was just kind of a side point. I have to agree with Zong though, Bang has better AA, usually. 5A/5B are great for it.

[BigLeafyTree]

I just found out that with a well timed dashing 2A you can slide under a teching opponent. Bang oki is good times.

[ShoMeYaMoves]

I just found out that with a well timed dashing 2A you can slide under a teching opponent. Bang oki is good times.

You can do that in CT too. <.<

[TOKiMONSTA]

You can do it with 2B too.

Taokaka and Jin can do it as well.

[Dacidbro]

Careful with it, it doesn't really recover fast enough for your best options, IIRC

[huey253]

You can do it with 2B too.

Taokaka and Jin can do it as well.

meh, most of the cast can do it. its just...not that great.

with bang, if you don't use 5B after sliding under with 2A, you'll probably lose to their normals because people don't block on their wakeup in AMERICA

[BigLeafyTree]

I guess you could throw after too, but it's still gimmicky. I just hadn't seen it before.

[huey253]

throw would lose to 5A

[BigLeafyTree]

Playing around with sliding under a teching opponent. If you have the right timing you can slide under and 5A, 2A, or throw and it will be a frame trap. Not worth doing often because it depends on your opponent teching a certain way but it's definitely something.

Also, is there any way to combo from A nail or include it into a combo except as an ender?

[huey253]

grab A nail cancel bnb

sliding under is a okay gimmick, but i wouldn't use it twice againist a competent opponent

[faultydefense]

i would gladly use it twice against a competent opponent

its most americans i would tend to avoid it on...

[Dacidbro]

...?

Why would you be confident in a gimmick's application against a competent opponent but not a bad one? A competent opponent should understand mashing beats it clean in most circumstances.

[faultydefense]

there-in lies the paradox

a competent opponent shouldn't be mashing, and most competent players i play against will try to block something they don't understand as opposed to sticking their character in the unknown...

i dunno...maybe its just the people i play against, and why use gimmicks on mashers?

[Dacidbro]

Yeah, but you're assuming they're confused. That's not inherently the case.

[faultydefense]

im sure as hell not going to confuse the masher...they could care less what i do...

[Dacidbro]

Lol. So don't use it on the masher, I agree. But a competent opponent, by definition, should also be able to use the same counter the scrubby masher does, if he is intelligent. When I think "competent", I think "able to do the right thing often"; in this case the wrong choice is block. A competent opponent can not block, and jab you out of it.

[BigLeafyTree]

If you time it right though you can slide under and get a 5A out before they can, hitting them as they try to mash out. I tested by recording it and using it against myself, and I couldn't mash out. It depends on the timing of your slide underneath their tech.

[Reioumu]

A good player also knows when to mash out though.

[Dacidbro]

I think if you do the 2A slide EXTREMELY early you get it, but then you completely lose them if they forward or back roll. So there's always a cost.

[ShoMeYaMoves]

The tricks works, you have frame advantage if done correctly. (but only +2 or so last time I checked)

[Dacidbro]

I would probably usually use this in two ways; bait a DP from anyone with one, or cross up command grab shenanigans on those without it.

[iw2ma]

I finally got to play around with CS yesterday for an hour or two and got a lot of the new combos down easily, even got around to doing Nezu's j.4C in FRKZ damage combo of death after playing around (mostly luck), but I can't seem to get the timing for dash 2D after up close 2B, 623B I'm either clearly late or Bang won't move, any tips on this timing?

that being said I won't get to play it again for a while i'm sure, just like to know

[Reioumu]

you have to buff the dash during the ending of the recovery for 623B.

You already have the j.4C combos down? Like how many reps? 8+?