psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 CS2 loctest （ ◇） - Hakumen nerfed so hard, I can't even write it all down. He might even be the weakest now Yup, we're screwed.... can you link me to his nerfs?
psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 so someone just told you he was? well anyway i guess ill just wait then.
GenoWhirl Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 'Bout them nerfs ●ハクメン ・強化点 C系統の発生が早く 後ろ投げの硬直が減り、画面端で追撃可 ・弱化点 3C＞3Cが繋がらなくなった JD後追撃不可？ レンカが壁バウンドするように。6Cで追撃可 蛍が壁バウンドするように。6Cで追撃可 閻魔の浮きが高く、追撃しにくくなった 椿祈がスライドダウンになり、画面端でしか追撃できなくなった
psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 ● Men Haku - Improvements Early occurrence of C strains less recovery? Less rigid cast behind the screen at the end of chase accepted - Weakening point 3C> 3C was the 繋Garanaku *if they mean 3C>3C im believing (because it says weakening) either they took it out, made it abit more strict, or nerfed its damage. JD can not chase after? *im guessing no follow up still? Lenka bound to the wall. 6C possible in pursuit *if the mean renka then im guessing it sticks them to the wall (kinda) and 6C is a possible follow up. Fluorescence bound to the wall. 6C possible in pursuit Yama floats high, was less likely to pursue 祈Ga slide down and camellias, but at the end of the screen no longer chase just me guessing. i think suzaku could help.
zdravkelja Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 JD、5D、6D後追撃不可 Can't follow up after JD, 5D, 6D... No follow up to 6D... LOL
psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 wonder why they took that out? :/ even for a loketest that seems...weird...or for better word "stupid".
banshee Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I guess Renka's wall bounce only works after the second hit, so no big deal for me since I usually cancel it into Kishuu > Enma (let's just cross fingers this change doesn't f*** up corner combos). removing the follow ups for Zanshin seems just plain stupid to me. they could just go ahead and remove his drives altogether then... IIRC I've read that j.D could be followed up by air specials during the first loke test. I think I could live with that... edit: what do you guys think about Renka's new command (236B)? I'd happily accept that
psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 hmmm. yeah i guess. though the other D follow ups, im guessing they just wanted those to be pressure escape tools? and not prseeure escape + big damge combos. though im not a creator so i really dont know. this is quite a thinker though.
zdravkelja Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I don't like motion change. I like 214 and 63214 motions more than 236 and 41236.
Sophisticat Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 !@#$!@$#$ Can't we get some form of stability as Haku players? He's really quite balanced as it is, no need to make drastic shit like this. Yeah, loke, but these changes seem to cater to poor players who complain about him (which, imo, is a drastically declining player base. CS sold, like 4x less than CT so far. So, stupid changes are stupid).
psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 no because if you go here : http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?10246-PSN-General-Mk.V-MAAAAAAAAAH/page33 it completely explains why from dumbasses pov why haku needs nerfs. keep reading. you'll understand.
Spark Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Assuming Hotaru remains unchanged making Renka 236B might be a huge buff.
Zeru Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Why on earth are they nerfing Hakumen's drive of all things? They are making them too high risk vs reward, and Hakumen is supposed to be a punish-style character in the first place. Not being able to combo off of 6D = LOL It is going to be annoying to get my muscle memory to switch to 236B for Renka, but that is a minor complaint. Kind of wish they would make 623A to 236A though, just for personal preference. >.<
psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Assuming Hotaru remains unchanged making Renka 236B might be a huge buff. hows that? unless you mean for TK purposes as the game wont read 66 or 2147B as 214B anymore? Kind of wish they would make 623A to 236A though, just for personal preference. >.< i thought they changed that so it would stop mistaking kishuu for gurren...?
Zeru Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 You mean in the first loctest? Because I know it doesn't come out currently if you do 236A for Kishuu, I know they changed Gurren to 214A. Just saying it would be a smoother motion for 236A for Kishuu.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Assuming Hotaru remains unchanged making Renka 236B might be a huge buff. It would be an amazing buff, it means I could input a faster tk motion like for tsubaki. Hopefully that changes, but wow, spark what do you think about the zanshin nerfs? DO they make sense to you or are you with all of us thinking that the nerfs for it are stupid?
psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 well theres 1 bright side to it. everyone thinks haku is OP because zanshin>combo. without combo in the equation they cant complain anymore right? so no more nerfs
BladeOfJustice7 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 well theres 1 bright side to it. everyone thinks haku is OP because zanshin>combo. without combo in the equation they cant complain anymore right? so no more nerfs As long as hakumen is playable and can deal combos that while otherwise are impractical can take off more than half your life bar they will complain. That and his sword length, he'd have to have a sword as short as ragna's AT MINIMUM. As far as zanshin combos go, it's not OUR fault they have predictable block strings, learn to adapt>_>
psycofang2 Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 that wont stop ppl from complaining. ZOMG HIS FC 6C IS SO OP, QUICK PATCH IT! and the list goes on...but hell who cares, we're haku, we get by,and win.
Sophisticat Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 6D nerf is bigger than just not being able to combo, too. It's one of the only ways to go into Mugen on hit. Now you need a 6a, 4c, or full 6c CH for long enough stagger, all of which are much more impractical than 6D... not that anyone cares about Mugen. >_> Didn't notice the 236b renka change, though. I like that, it'd make Hotaru even more powerful.
Zeru Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Maybe I just don't have my thinking cap on straight, but how does the change to Renka make Hotaru more powerful?
DioBrando Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 What psychofang said early, so you don't accidentally do Renka when you mean to do Hotaru. You save yourself 2 bars and from looking stupid. I do admit its a great buff, always me to do tk Hotaru a lot quicker and easier.
Zeru Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Haha, that is true, I have done that on more then a few occasions myself.
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