BladeOfJustice7 Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 I gotta agree with zidane with regards to this match up.
Dacidbro Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 Full screen zoning that goes into full combo VS Full screen zoning that doesn't and is based on wind instead of recharge on hit/cancel oro Cat Chair reversal VS Flash kick and Jayakou No command grab VS great command grab Shitty mix up with few legitimate traps VS great mix supported by command grab I don't get it kid
ZONG_one Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 Wow. Soniti > Justin Bieber. Grammar policed it for you. Thanks, it took me awhile to even come up with wield, and I got mindfucked by the end of it. Congrats Tao on becoming high tier, now people will play you as much as Ragna. No they won't. SPRTJUICE and WUKU are both offline tourney players, and your you're a netplayer.... Passing it on. "TAG, YOU'RE IT!" ..a message from the grammar police. Spiritjuice plays Ragna. Wuku is a respectable player, but he has little Hazama EXP last I checked (could be wrong, but I don't think any Haz he's playing is on his level) I'm not going to bother, because I know you know. But theyJDK. But hey, I'll respect
Zidane Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 Full screen zoning that goes into full combo VS Full screen zoning that doesn't and is based on wind instead of recharge on hit/cancel oro Cat Chair reversal VS Flash kick and Jayakou No command grab VS great command grab Shitty mix up with few legitimate traps VS great mix supported by command grab I don't get it kid GJ Dacid. You've succeeded in convincing me that hazama owns and Rachel sucks. Too bad everything you said has no relevance to the matchup. Stay fucking free WC logic and debate skills.
ZONG_one Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 but then I posted more anyway It was my interpretation of our audience's faces. I knew what was up.
huey253 Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 no guys i figured it out, dacidbro was doing the CALIFORNIA matchup chart for bang ( how he does againist cali)
Dacidbro Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 We weren't even talking about Bang Stay free Zidane; how does that have no relevance???????????
Spirit Juice Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 So it becomes 5-5. So shut up dacidbo. Don't make me come to Cali. Nigga I still have funds. You can stay at my place. No homo.
huey253 Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 naw i thought you did the bang matchups, which are kinda wacky...
Sophisticat Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 I am going to agree with Spirit Juice, Supreme Overlord of Dustloop, that Carl and Ara are misrepresented and that Haku v. Rachel is indeed 6-4 and not the aforementioned 7-3. While Rachel does suck, what makes her bad is mitigated by her zoning and other tools, and Haku sucks vs. zoning and runaway characters. Cutting Lobelias does not do that much either since Rachel can use wind to change the trajectory or simply move out. Also, I contend that Haku is too strong on the chart. He's good, but not that good. A couple .5 changes are warranted.
A.X.I.S. Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 LOL hazama owns rachel because he has a command grab and she doesn't. oh man I am glad I stepped out, that was a nasty shit storm. dacid stay bang man, don't talk about anyone else but bang. we still love you though no homo.
huey253 Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 LOL hazama owns rachel because he has a command grab and she doesn't. oh man I am glad I stepped out, that was a nasty shit storm. dacid stay bang man, don't talk about anyone else but bang. we still love you though no homo. thats why bang is top tier, he has TWO command grabs
huey253 Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 tager isn't a character, just an object for most characters to troll.
SansProtocol Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 tager isn't a character, just an object for most characters to troll. Then you take a flight on 720C Airlines in route to a hole in the ground and 5620 damage.
Zidane Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 Full screen zoning that goes into full combo VS Full screen zoning that doesn't and is based on wind instead of recharge on hit/cancel oro Cat Chair reversal VS Flash kick and Jayakou No command grab VS great command grab Shitty mix up with few legitimate traps VS great mix supported by command grab I don't get it kid Arakune vs. Bang: Full screen zoning that goes into full curse for 10K damage vs. nails that do nothing super reversal + throw dead angle vs. reversal 5A Throw that leads into 2 supers + curse vs. shitty 2K command grab Good mixup that leads to 10K damage vs. ok mixup that leads to 3K You've heard it here first folks: Arakune - Bang is 10 - Stay Free WC.
huey253 Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 Then you take a flight on 720C Airlines in route to a hole in the ground and 5620 damage. tager is only hard to beat if you respect him. valkenhayn must be good too, he has two command grabs also, and one of them is in the air.
zeth07 Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 Arakune vs. Bang: Full screen zoning that goes into full curse for 10K damage vs. nails that do nothing super reversal + throw dead angle vs. reversal 5A Throw that leads into 2 supers + curse vs. shitty 2K command grab Good mixup that leads to 10K damage vs. ok mixup that leads to 3K You've heard it here first folks: Arakune - Bang is 10 - Stay Free WC. If you didn't post it the way you posted it, I would've provided a rebuttal to some of your examples. But that will ruin it.
Xtra_Zero Posted November 3, 2010 Posted November 3, 2010 I wanna bitch about how lobelias are negated by Nirvana, guys. Let's talk Carl.
Dacidbro Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 Arakune vs. Bang: Full screen zoning that goes into full curse for 10K damage vs. nails that do nothing super reversal + throw dead angle vs. reversal 5A Throw that leads into 2 supers + curse vs. shitty 2K command grab Good mixup that leads to 10K damage vs. ok mixup that leads to 3K You've heard it here first folks: Arakune - Bang is 10 - Stay Free WC. Yeah see this would accurately rebut what I said except that it's not on the same level at all. Stay troll-like. Wait for the official Japanese tier list and stop feelin yourself for beasting on Alz; it's the matchup not his fault
Arcade Fire87 Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 (edited) Haha, my problem with Tao isn't her 6C. I usually have a burst reserved for that and it's not nailing me on a daily basis. I was just listing off some threats, I don't know the very details of Tao, but her damage is VERY good, in my opinion. Not trying to be rude, but I think Xdest is much better than TaoFTW and the shit he can actually pull off online for a non-Japanese player is retarted, it's not surprising to see how far she rose to the tier list. Although, 6C isn't so slow and so bad that 7K is still not broken. It's still broken, it's not as slow and unlikely to be pulled off like a fully charged 6C attack by Hakumen. Although I'll say if someone's getting hit by 6C a lot and losing 7k something's wrong, it doesn't mean it's not stupid broken. It almost looks like this whole chart should be scrapped, to be honest, even the people who made this chart seem to kinda disagree. Arakune and Carl being lower tier than Lambda just makes me giggle because it's so not true, the Japanese seemed to think otherwise not long ago. Can't Fumo get a full curse combo going from just landing one 2A? (or was it 6A?) From there, Arakune does broken 7-8K curse damage. Maybe the chart seemed more bias due to certain players skill level than the characters they play, it seems. You guys are good and respectable offline players, but something about this chart just seems very wrong. Edited November 4, 2010 by Arcade Fire87
Dacidbro Posted November 4, 2010 Posted November 4, 2010 I helped make the chart and I don't even agree with Bang's matchups. That's how wonky it is.
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