Arcade Stick vs Controller

[Manta]

i've been playing/practicing on stick now 4 a couple of weeks, and i've come to notice two things.

1-its really easier to do command inputs/moves like quarter circle and dragon punch in sf than in gg.

Odd, GG always felt much more forgiving of inputs for me than any SF game. But then I learned GG before SF so there.

[Advil4theMasses]

http://www.lizardlick.com/Sanwa-TP-MA-PCB-Assembly_p_395.html

Might be a good place to start, but I'd wait for mr.mortified to answer.

Thank you! That is exactly what I'm looking for. I will also wait for an answer from Mr. Mortified as per your suggestion.

Thanks

[BladeOfJustice7]

Odd, GG always felt much more forgiving of inputs for me than any SF game. But then I learned GG before SF so there.

Sf4 is known for having easier inputs, I think it's referred to as "input correction" if I remember correctly. When I started on stick I could barely land dp motions in BB but I could do them easily and quickly on sf4.

[Manta]

Sf4 is known for having easier inputs, I think it's referred to as "input correction" if I remember correctly. When I started on stick I could barely land dp motions in BB but I could do them easily and quickly on sf4.

Doesn't that just reverse your inputs if you get crossed up whilst inputting a command move?

[KayEff]

SF has what's called "input leniency." You could literally have half-assed inputs (like 33) and a DP will come out.

And if you get crossed up while inputting, the inputs auto-correct themselves so it ends up coming out anyways (at least if you do the move quickly enough).

[Celsius]

Hey guys. In an attempt to avoid asking questions that had already been asked I read through the first 10-11 pages or so of this thread, but then it devolved into a heated debate [argument] about stuff I didn't really understand so I'll just skip to the end and ask my question.

I've played on an arcade-style stick a handful of times, mostly when I was little and I had a stick for my ps1 or snes or some junk like that. I can't rightfully remember. Anyway, I recently got into fighting games again thanks to the glorious masterpiece that is Blazblue. I keep hearing all these comments from people about how sticks are superior and I hadn't really considered it because of the price tag. I thought to myself "I'm doing REALLY well with the ps3 controller, so why should I switch?"

Welllllll recently my d-pad has started acting up on me and the button inputs, while still workable, have started to.... soften. It's just not as responsive or tight as it was when I first got it. Playing on other friends controllers who aren't hardcore gamers or don't really play fighters reveals a clear difference so I began thinking about the ACTUAL cost vs. benefit of the stick vs. pad debate. Since ps3 controllers [at least the ones I have] have started to lose their fizz and they cost around 60$, if I have to keep replacing them, it will be a MUCH bigger waste of money than spending the equiv of 2 controllers on something that may last much longer.

Since I'm completely in the dark about what makes a stick good or not, I've simply trusted the posts and links I've seen on tier lists for sticks but my issue is the only fighting game I like is Blazblue and I'm not artistic and I'm not arrogant enough to think I can make some sick art for a stick so I've been looking at the Blazblue Continuum Shift Limited Edition Tournament Stick [or whatever it's called, you guys know the one. limited run 1500 made, etc.]

I have heard that Madcatz made it, which REALLY makes me nervous because I've never seen ANYTHING they made that I thought was even acceptable, let alone good. I've heard good things about Hori but I also read that the BBCT stick Hori made isn't any good. I really would prefer not to get a SFIV stick unless it's just stupid-better than the rest, or unless there is something else I don't know about.

TL:DR

I wanna show my Blazblue pride but most of these sticks are repping SFIV! Is the BBCS LE stick a good one to get? Can you even get one anymore? I don't know anything about sticks, anyone have advice?

[Delrian]

Since I'm completely in the dark about what makes a stick good or not, I've simply trusted the posts and links I've seen on tier lists for sticks but my issue is the only fighting game I like is Blazblue and I'm not artistic and I'm not arrogant enough to think I can make some sick art for a stick so I've been looking at the Blazblue Continuum Shift Limited Edition Tournament Stick [or whatever it's called, you guys know the one. limited run 1500 made, etc.]

For the record, you could have someone else create some artwork for your stick as well, should you know any artists (there are a few here on DL, only one that comes to mind right now is C0R).

I have heard that Madcatz made it, which REALLY makes me nervous because I've never seen ANYTHING they made that I thought was even acceptable, let alone good.

In the arcade stick business, they provide the simplest way to get a good arcade stick for fighting games. A lot of their other stuff is not so good, but their TE sticks (both the SFIV and the BBCS stick you were looking at) use Sanwa parts out of the box (no extra work putting them in yourself).

I've heard good things about Hori but I also read that the BBCT stick Hori made isn't any good. I really would prefer not to get a SFIV stick unless it's just stupid-better than the rest, or unless there is something else I don't know about.

TL:DR

I wanna show my Blazblue pride but most of these sticks are repping SFIV! Is the BBCS LE stick a good one to get? Can you even get one anymore? I don't know anything about sticks, anyone have advice?

If you can get the CS LE, it is very similar to the SFIV TE, but I don't know if they're in stock.

If you have specific questions about arcade sticks, I'd be happy to answer them, or you can ask Mr. Mortified in his thread.

[mr.mortified]

ask me anything

ANYTHING

edit:

also "very similar" ?

they're the exact same stick with a different color, bezel and art

the only thing that madcatz makes in there is the circuit board and the case, the actual parts (that can break) is made by sanwa as an arcade standard

Edited May 18, 2011 by mr.mortified

[Celsius]

So, if I understand what you are saying, I could just get the apparently MUCH easier to find SFIV TE stick [since it's exactly the same] and have somebody make some art for it and basically turn it into a BB themed stick? Do people charge for that? I'm still pretty new around here so I don't really know how that sort of thing would work.

I've just read that both the BBCS TE and SFIV TE sticks are rated REALLY high because they are made the closest to the actual arcade cabinet of any of the other sticks. Can you guys confirm this?

All I'm really looking for is one that would help me make the switch to stick, save me some dough by lasting a reeeeeeeeeally long time and preferably let me display my BB pride for all the world to see.

Another quick question, I've noticed that many people are posting about X being the 5th stick they've purchased, etc. Are they talking about wearing them out? Or just getting several because each one has its own feel?

[mr.mortified]

yes, people would charge for that

just use photoshop and make yourself one cool looking background for it and print it out at a print shop

be sure to laminate and have a glue-like label on the back or spray paint the glue on yourself

also be warned, a lot of print shops are now rejecting people for bringing in work with copyrighted characters

[Celsius]

Hmmm, I have a friend that's learning Photoshop, maybe I could have him do it... I guess I'll look around at the local shops and if I can't find the BBCS TE, I'll have to get the SFIV TE instead and do that. Thanks a bunch for the advice!

[Axl_M4ster]

so,....

i got 2 sticks recently, both are dual-modded hori sticks with new sanwa buttons and what not...but i got one with a sanwa jlf joystick with a square gate, and the other is a seimitsu

ls-56-01 with a round gate...

and here's my outlook on experiencing/using both joysticks on different fighters:

i gotta say that for Guilty Gear...

the seimitsu feels so much more Geared towards Guilty than the sanwa jlf.

no pun intended.

imo, i think is for a number of these reasons.

-its much easier to do all of the half circle, quarter circle+half circle motions with its round gate.

-the stiffness of the seimitsu is just whats needed for me to do Dragon Punch motions easily, especially DPs in air combos....which the sanwa's JLF looseness was causing me more trouble to pull off consistently..the aerial DPs i mean.

-alot easier to jump cancel and dash-whether in air or on the ground..thx again to its stiffness.

-i'm no expert or even savy when it comes to sticks...but i've read somewhere that seimitsus have smaller/shorter throw...which is definitely noticeable between the sanwa and the seimitsu...AND which helps in Guilty i think., cuz i don't really have to ride the gate as much to achieve an overdrive...or a dash, or a jump cancel, or any command list move for that matter.with the sanwa, i felt myself having to ride the gate more just because the sanwa demanded more full scale motion execution than the seimitsu due to its longer throw.

its hard to put 'muscle memory' differences into words, but that's is the best i can do to try to explain *my* muscle memory sensations into words.

now the sanwa jlf with its square gate feels much better suited for the old school games like street fighter and KoF...feels more natural for the older Capcom/SNK fighters.

i think that fighting games and the arcade sticks designed for playing them is sorta like golf.

like golf in that you need to have a stick thats works best for that particular game, but it may not be the best choice of stick for a different fighter that makes different motion demands for your hand.

yunno like there's a club for putting, another for grass strokes, another for getting out of sand traps, for starting a hole off...etc...

"sorry i don't really watch golf to be well versed in golf terminology, lol."

to summarize my post:

Seimitsu LS-56-01 w octogonal or a round gate---works really well for new school fighters like guilty gear, arcana heart, melty blood, fate/uc

Sanwa JLF w square gate----works best for old school fighters like street fighter, king of fighters, fatal fury, etc...

*this is just MY personal opinion/feelings on the matter of the differenceS between sanwa and seimitsu joysticks from my muscle memory trials/tests*

edit:

oh yeah,

console controllers sux.

i can do things in guilty on the stick now,

that i could never even dream of doing when i was using D-pad console controller.

arcade sticks>console controller

x1000!

Edited May 23, 2011 by Axl_M4ster

[The Katz]

Why are there so many pages in this thread?

[TittyFOFO]

Because stick is gay, and pad 4 life?

Now that I'm not good at anything anymore, I might actually try to learn stick. You know, if I can get over all the gayness.

[qwerty]

Odd, GG always felt much more forgiving of inputs for me than any SF game. But then I learned GG before SF so there.

accent core is "forgiving", but in the smart way. there's a pretty lenient buffer for directionals which allows for things like 6FRC6, and in general, you get what you mean to get. it's all the accuracy of the cvs2 command interpreter without any of the "god damnit".

sf4 is "lenient" in the sense that they took the 3s command interpreter and then put it in... well, sf4.

[Manta]

It also seemed to have a long wait time on how long between the input and the button you can be. So with Pot you could do shit like 63214[6] P and get a pot buster with a surprising amount of a walk in front of it.

[TheGRIT]

Hey all, I'm brand-spanking new to this community so I thought I'd start here. I played GG back in the day on Dreamcast and I recently bought GG:AC on the Wii ($10). I decided to get the Wii stick by Hori (on its way via mail). I have too hard of a time doing RCs on the pad to not get a stick. I know I'm way behind on most things, but I wanted to join in on the community nonetheless.

[M4g1c4lM4g1]

I did a similar thing, except I got a PS2 stick and used an adapter for GC.

[Fistmaster049]

Using a 360 pad does have one more disadvantage, somes tourneys or events don't support it, or even 360 these days, I literary got turned away from one just because I play 360 pad :'(

I may get a stick but I dunno, may get one for CS:extend and start again..

or just take my 360 to every event for now on just to be safe :3

[diospyros]

Another advantage to the stick that you can take outside of competitive fighting game scene.. better left-hand coordination. I was doing better inputs and dash confirms on my right when playing inverted style. On my left, not so much. :V

[TaiyakiTime]

For me, it is quite the opposite actually. I'm from Canada, and as you can see in our last Canada Cup, ALL events were held on Xbox 360. However, some people believe that more people play BlazBlue on PS3 here, and I'm part of that group. We had a PS3 Station, setup by our great BlazBlue Host, for casuals at the very least.

Other thoughts would be, it seems lately Qanba sticks are gaining popularity for their capabilities to play both consoles with little worry of input lag. This is my opinion of course, and so I could be wrong =P. Also, by at least learning stick, you could borrow other people's sticks at events- given they trust you with it, regardless of the console. If you put the price of a stick on an hourly wage of say... $10, you could gain its value easily as you'd most likely spend at least 20 hours in training mode. I'm not (or at least trying not to) convincing you to get one, but just giving some facts out that you might know already.

[Axle_the_red]

Just a heads up, but I don't think the tier list link is active any more. I'm getting a 404 on it...

[Tong]

Imo, the D-pad is much more agile and faster than a stick. The only thing I dont like about pads is the button placement.

[mr.mortified]

for that stick tier list as dead, there is always SRK's guide to buying sticks

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/what-stick-controller-should-i-buy-read-the-guide-on-pg-1-before-posting.137321/

and for tong, the franken-fightpad is for you

[Hyen]

is in a FGC a button combination like A+B+C is allowed?

i am a pad player though

btw tats a good stuff you got there