NorCal INSTALL! v.2 - August, 28th (We HitConfirm Everything!)

[RinHara5aki]

David™

^ This

[TaoFTW]

it really depends on the direction we want to take nci.

do we want it be just another local monthly/bimonthly thing like it's always been, or something more akin to a regional/minor?

hint: if you want more varied competition, choose the latter.

Mission Statement:

NorCal INSTALL! seeks to expose the new generation of Fighting Gamers to the classics while building stronger social networks within the FG community.

You need to know where you've been in order to know where to go. Hosting a regional for the sake of a regional is stupid and pointless...like Gamefaqs and Triple Troll. Hosting monthlies, bi-monthlies, weeklies or annual events is irrelevant without purpose. Do you want to join the SF4 bandwagon or start something of your own caliber? If you choose the latter, then I suggest you do the following:

- Get other people hyped up about NCI. Redirect everyone to the IPW stream archive and tell your friends about our event. Once they start asking when the next tournament is going to take place, start discussing a date.

- Assume that the scene is going to grow; people want to get in touch with the hype. Start thinking long term and focus your energy on searching for legit venues. This includes, but not limited to: Hotels, Convention Centers, and College Ballrooms.

- Communicate; people who don't talk about hype won't get others hyped. Anytime you have lack of communication within any team, people stop caring n' play the blame game. NorCal has been through this ordeal a few times - just ask Scott.

- Build social network; everybody in the community now has connections with IPW, Brokentier, and TheBBVlog. Discuss further ideas with them about building up the FG community with the people who broadcast YOU.

If you can do all this, then we can make the next NCI bigger and better.

[Spirit Juice]

I think the idea is to have the normal ranbat stuff and then basically have a bb/gg/mb regional every now and then as well.

This is what I'm going for.

[TaoFTW]

http://ncinstall.webs.com/

Join this website and contribute. People have checked this to get updates on NCI.

Edit: Running bi-monthly tournaments is a good idea, doing monthly ranbats works too, and doing a semi-annual event is fine. Here's the deal; run it! The point of NCI is to let the players run the gig, not one person. Granted, not everybody can handle a 3-man round robin or a huge tournament. I've been around long enough to know that NorCal has some of the worst people to manage anything.

BE PUSHY! BE A DOUCHEBAG! BE A DICK! You want NCI to keep running, then nag your friends to come. Stop being lethargic and take some initiative. If you guys can't get anything done without me hounding your ass, then -I'm sorry- but the scene deserves to die. Yes, you'll make mistakes that'll taint NCI's image. That's life; sht happens. Don't be afraid to make mistakes and get things done. You guys got a taste of what NCI could be like in the near future - now it's time the community takes this event one step further.

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Edit2: If you guys want my opinion, then this is what I suggest.

I'd say we divide people based on region. The reality is that the BB scene is big enough to hold regionals at different locations. For e.g., we can host monthly ranbats at Sac, East Bay, South Bay, and SLO Cal. The premise for doing this is this, 'Build the FG scene at the local level; not at the macro scale.' After six months, we can bring every -seeded- regional team together for a battle royale!

Since GG/MB is smaller, they can do a monthly ranbat in the same location. Doing this solves three problems:

1) Venues; smaller tournaments means smaller space to host tournaments.

2) Time Flexibility; in the event you can't make it to one tournament, you have the option to host it at another location.

3) Lots of Opportunities; you have numerous opportunities to seed yourself in any one of these regional tournaments.

4) Less Manpower; you don't need to have a lot of staff/volunteers to run this tournament.

Drawbacks:

1) Small Turnouts; enough said.

2) Lost Communication; hosting too many events in a single month gets lost in translation.

3) Loss of Commitment; it takes a lot of energy to run tournaments...let alone organize five of them in a single month.

4) No SoCal people coming up unless it's a grand event.

Here's how the tournament would look like:

- Week 1: MB/GG NCI Ranbat

Hosted by:

KatanDash and Tsubasa

- Week 2: Sacramento NCI Regional Ranbat

Hosted by:

Spirit Juice

- Week 3: South Bay NCI Regional Ranbat

Hosted by:

Dacidbro and Aginor

- Week 4: East Bay NCI Regional Ranbat

Hosted by:

DKL

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Final Regional Tournament: BLAZING NCI

Hosted by:

TaoFTW

Tournament Roster:

Day 1

- Blazblue CS Singles

Hosted by:

Spirit Juice

- Guilty Gear AC

Hosted by:

KatanDash

- Melty Blood AA

Hosted by:

Tsubasa

- KoF 2002

Hosted by:

Qwerty

- Arcana Heart 3

Hosted by:

LOLI

- Chaos Breaker

Hosted by:

shtkn

Day 2

BBCS Regional Exhibitions:

- Sac Crew

- South Bay

- East Bay

- SoCal

MB/GG NorCal vs. SoCal Exhibition

BBCS 2v2 teams

MBAA 2v2 teams

GGAC 2v2 teams

[Hellmonkey]

david just wants to make more $$ from gg

selfish david

It'd be nice if the pots were at least split more evenly between the games. I paid the same to enter GG that most spent to enter BB, had to beat the same amount of people in GG as the BB bracket required to win, yet the BB pot was almost twice as much?

[TaoFTW]

It'd be nice if the pots were at least split more evenly between the games. I paid the same to enter GG that most spent to enter BB, had to beat the same amount of people in GG as the BB bracket required to win, yet the BB pot was almost twice as much?

In retrospect, we had more people who played GG as their second choice game. If I charged the full $5, then entrants would've dwindled down from the 40s to the mid 20s, thus, the pot would've been smaller than it already is.

$130 > $100.

It's your call. If you want more GG entrants, then tell people how to play the game without making them feel like a complete scrub...but BB does that better. So yeah.

Same thing with MB pot.

$90 > $75

BB just had the most entrants as their primary choice.

[Soniti]

It'd be nice if the pots were at least split more evenly between the games. I paid the same to enter GG that most spent to enter BB, had to beat the same amount of people in GG as the BB bracket required to win, yet the BB pot was almost twice as much?

I'm taking a guess it had to do with which game people put as their primary?

edit: Tao beat me to it

[Hellmonkey]

In retrospect, we had more people who played GG as their second choice game. If I charged the full $5, then entrants would've dwindled down from the 40s to the mid 20s, thus, the pot would've been smaller than it already is.

$130 > $100.

It's your call. If you want more GG entrants, then tell people how to play the game without making them feel like a complete scrub...but BB does that better. So yeah.

Why does the multi-game discount have to be completely one way or the other. Just split the discount between the different pots.

[Dacidbro]

You can't be that mad when literally probably a quarter or more of the entrants for GG were donations

[TaoFTW]

Why does the multi-game discount have to be completely one way or the other. Just split the discount between the different pots.

Why not? The bigger the game, the bigger the pot. BB had the most -primary- turnouts, so it has the bigger pot. I put the entry discount as an incentive for people, who never played a single round of GG/MB, to let them play at a tournament with minimum risk. If you don't like it, then go to a different tournament. Either way, I increased the pot size for you. Take it or leave it. :3

Edit:

Just FYI, the largest GG pot size we had at the NCI tournament last season was about $90.

[Hellmonkey]

Why not? The bigger the game, the bigger the pot. BB had the most -primary- turnouts, so it has the bigger pot. I put the entry discount as an incentive for people, who never played a single round of GG/MB, to let them play at a tournament with minimum risk. If you don't like it, then go to a different tournament. Either way, I'm increasing the pot size for you. Take it or leave it. :3

Edit:

Just FYI, the largest GG pot size we had at the NCI tournament last season was about $90.

My issue isn't with the total size of the pot as much as the fact that players who play both gg and bb for example, who think they have similar chances to win both or don't really expect to win either, are going to be raising one pot more than another just because they choose a primary game. Keeping the total amount paid the same but splitting the money between pots still encourages players to enter more games, without resulting in such a huge bias of entry fee vs total pot between people who entered it as a primary or secondary game.

While I personally would like higher entry fees, that's only if people are willing to pay them. Most people won't. Keeping it at 5 dollars is probably best, I just think there shouldn't be weighted pots like that.

Although with the "if you don't like it, go to a different tournament" attitude about everything (like waseda format which got ditched anyways) I guess you don't actually want any feedback?

[qwerty]

for the record, entry was $8 if you pre-reged, $10 if you didn't (assuming of course it was your "primary game"). if it wasn't your "primary game", you paid $3 or $2.

again, it's up to norcal; if you guys want to play socal more often, you gotta give them the incentive to come. if not, we can just do our own thing.

i for one wouldn't mind keeping all entries at $8-10 to give out of towners more incentive to show up.

[TaoFTW]

My issue isn't with the total size of the pot as much as the fact that players who play both gg and bb for example, who think they have similar chances to win both or don't really expect to win either, are going to be raising one pot more than another just because they choose a primary game. Keeping the total amount paid the same but splitting the money between pots still encourages players to enter more games, without resulting in such a huge bias of entry fee vs total pot between people who entered it as a primary or secondary game.

While I personally would like higher entry fees, that's only if people are willing to pay them. Most people won't. Keeping it at 5 dollars is probably best, I just think there shouldn't be weighted pots like that.

Although with the "if you don't like it, go to a different tournament" attitude about everything (like waseda format which got ditched anyways) I guess you don't actually want any input?

Point taken and processed. I will split pots not -solely- based on primary turnouts, but overall turnout. There was so much crap that happened at the BBCS team tournament, that I wanted to slam my head in a paper shredder. A lot of BS delayed the tournament for nearly two hours (which I won't go into detail...yet), so we had no choice but to scrap the waseda format and cancel the MB team tournament.

As for upping up the registration fee, that will happen as the scene grows larger.

Your input is still appreciated. The whole my way or the highway is just me going into a raging frenzy. I want to make everybody happy; I can't please all you flunkies. I will set the rules beforehand and see to it that they get enforced. If you don't like it, then you don't have to come. I love you SoCal brethren and I'll do everything in my power to make tournaments run as smoothly as possible. But if you don't like how I run things, then tell me. If you come next time and you -still- don't like it, then you have no reason to come. Kapeesh?

for the record, entry was $8 if you pre-reged, $10 if you didn't (assuming of course it was your "primary game"). if it wasn't your "primary game", you paid $3 or $2.

again, it's up to norcal; if you guys want to play socal more often, you gotta give them the incentive to come. if not, we can just do our own thing.

i for one wouldn't mind keeping all entries at $8-10 to give out of towners more incentive to show up.

NorCal is lethargic and won't care. You could tell them that the Earth is hurtling towards the sun and they'll still watch their sadlife animu. True story btw.

[Kijiyama]

for the record, entry was $8 if you pre-reged, $10 if you didn't (assuming of course it was your "primary game"). if it wasn't your "primary game", you paid $3 or $2.

again, it's up to norcal; if you guys want to play socal more often, you gotta give them the incentive to come. if not, we can just do our own thing.

i for one wouldn't mind keeping all entries at $8-10 to give out of towners more incentive to show up.

I think the $8 and $10 for the tourny was for not only venue fee but entry fee also. If you really wanted to make it just $8 and $10 then you need to also add in the venue fee. Otherwise the true pot size was limited to $5 for pre-reg and $6 for non. If you wanted so cal or even east coast then you could always move it to $10 per game to make it worth their while.

[TaoFTW]

I think the $8 and $10 for the tourny was for not only venue fee but entry fee also. If you really wanted to make it just $8 and $10 then you need to also add in the venue fee. Otherwise the true pot size was limited to $5 for pre-reg and $6 for non. If you wanted so cal or even east coast then you could always move it to $10 per game to make it worth their while.

NCI is not in a position to do a $10 registration fee...at least not yet. Also, yes, $6 for non and $4 for venue.

[Digital Watches]

Gotta agree with Hellmonkey.

Honestly, the whole "Primary game, secondary game, discounts" stuff doesn't seem like a very good system. Especially taking money out of the pot to discount pre-reggers.

I don't have a problem with there being a discount for pre-registering, but it should come entirely out of the venue fee.

[blk_mage]

So I was thinking about going and talking to my old karate teacher about possibly renting out his karate school for a day as a possible venue, if people would be willing to have a (probably smaller) tournament/ranbant out in Antioch.

[ZONG_one]

So I was thinking about going and talking to my old karate teacher about possibly renting out his karate school for a day as a possible venue, if people would be willing to have a (probably smaller) tournament/ranbant out in Antioch.

I'd be down for a Karate tournament instead.

[ViridianSabre]

I'd be down for a Karate tournament instead.

Yo, get ready to rage quit at my IRL mixups and my FRKZ. I'm top tier for IRL, bitches, and I don't have a balance patch.

[Mr. Camaro]

my balance patch is a knife

[shtkn]

- Chaos Breaker

Hosted by:

shtkn

i've never played chaos breakers before in my life, nor do i own the game... i just find the game to be interesting looking. I'll help run it if needed tho.

[Digital Watches]

my balance patch is a knife

My matchup v. Knife is like, 6-4 at least.

[natearistata]

My match-up vs everyone is 11.5-0

[OrionXElite]

My match-up vs everyone is 11.5-0

But what if they show up for their match :3

[natearistata]

I've got a wickedly dangerous fetal position, you don't even know.