Isuna Posted September 15, 2012 Posted September 15, 2012 In theory, from the data I wrote down some months ago: TK Swallow Moon > JA : 20F TK Swallow Moon > JB : 21F TK Swallow Moon > JC : 25F TK Swallow Moon > J2C : 25F Hmm, so her 6B is also 20F. >_> Hakumen: 6B : 18F TK Tsubaki : 19F Zantetsu : 21F Step Tsubaki : 23F Does any rising air normals work as overheads? (JB?)
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 15, 2012 Posted September 15, 2012 I thought hop tsubaki was faster than tk tsubaki.
mAc Chaos Posted September 15, 2012 Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) Nope. You can't cancel a hop until the 8th frame or so. For a TK though it's just the jump startup. j.B works as a rising overhead. But if you're going to count those we should probably count instant overheads that Litchi and some others can do. Edited September 15, 2012 by mAc Chaos
Warhound Posted September 16, 2012 Posted September 16, 2012 Isuna-kuuuuuuuuuuuun! You said the next loketest was this week on Friday or something right?
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 It's next weekend actually, Tokyo Game Show (TGS).
Isuna Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 Which starts on Thursday. ArcSys will be there, but they haven't announced anything what they are going to do there. But, it should be BlazBlue, really. Incidently, UN is also released on Thursday so, fighter game future will decide on thursday. we should probably count instant overheads that Litchi and some others can do. What is this? o.o Can't Rachel use wind to use A on rising?
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Hakumens jb works as an instant overhead on Tager as well. But I'm pretty sure almost everyone in the cast has an instant overhead on Tager lol.
toanenadiz Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Lambda doesn't . I guess I just have to rely on my 17 frame overhead instead.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Maybe in CP she'll get hakumens jb, since no one likes hakumen anymore (even though he's not really cheap lol).
Warhound Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Maybe in CP she'll get hakumens jb, since no one likes hakumen anymore (even though he's not really cheap lol). Does that mean I can be a BB hipster now?
mAc Chaos Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Does that mean I can be a BB hipster now? I played Hakumen before he was handicapped.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Does that mean I can be a BB hipster now? Play Tager then. I played Hakumen before he was handicapped. Same, and that goes for pretty much everyone here who posts useful shit in the hakumen threads.
toanenadiz Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 You guys dealt with Hakumen vs Arakune in CT. I don't think anything would be able to drag you away from maining him after that.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 I forgot about that lol. I feel like sigging what you said.
mAc Chaos Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 I'll still be around. It only makes me scummier when I win.
Fluck Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 The thing about Hakumen is that he doesn't really feel like a defensive character anyway. The character gets a lot of mileage off j.B and Kishuu in EX and neither are defensive moves. Noel is the real defensive character...you always pay for trying to attack her. The only comparable thing is Haku's j.D in CS1.
mAc Chaos Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 It's not that he's defensive, per se, but hard to attack. Plus you need stars for a good offense.
Fluck Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Well, even if you say that, I don't feel that Hakumen is that much harder to open up compared to other characters either. Hakumen should have been something like a Mitsuru who can't run and doesn't have her strong mixup (without stars).
mAc Chaos Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) That's because they keep raping his defense every game. Plus, I mean, he has to be good at something, right. Or at least, is supposed to be. If it's not defense, then are you saying you think his attack is better? It could be true in Extend with the damage and corner carry he gets. Edited September 19, 2012 by mAc Chaos
Fluck Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 We are in agreement there; basically, my view is that even though Hakumen is supposed to be defensive, ASW don't actually want to design him that way.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 They tried to, and he was incomplete in CT. No way of initiating his offence and relied on his opponent making one.
Warhound Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 You guys dealt with Hakumen vs Arakune in CT. I don't think anything would be able to drag you away from maining him after that. IIRC we could Kishuu > 6D his clouds. As incomplete as Hakumen was back then, I was a hell of a lot better with him back then than I am now. I was even able to give Pisces a run for his money a few times. I think I won...once or twice...
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 That's relative, just because you wont more, doesn't mean their design direction was on point lol. There are many factors that would affect how good you are with each iteration of hakumen, one being how much time you put into the game.
Sophisticat Posted September 19, 2012 Author Posted September 19, 2012 You know what I'd really like to see out of Hakumen? More control over star use -> dmg. As it is, stars are used for special moves, but more stars doesn't always equal more dmg dealt. His output as of EX is actually quite linear. What I thought would be cool would be that the more stars he uses in a combo the more dmg he dishes out. He used to be that way in CT, sorta. His burst dmg was at least much more potent than it is now, and made it a bit more unpredictable to know when to burst, I think.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 His output as of EX is actually quite linear.
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