[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[itsme]

^iirc, its a delayed 2C. Speaking of short OD, I think Mugen was supposed to last 5 seconds now normally without OD so I really think they want us to use the two in a pair.

[Isuna]

Yeah, Mugen is 5 seconds, down from the 18 in Extend.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Are you supposed to delay 2C after CT or must you super jump the JB? T_T

ct looks untechable till they touch the floor, so it should be a delayed 2c, since jb's hitbox is hakumen's lower half of his body.

^iirc, its a delayed 2C. Speaking of short OD, I think Mugen was supposed to last 5 seconds now normally without OD so I really think they want us to use the two in a pair.

if they didn't want us to use it in tandem with kishin, they would've already removed mugen. But I guess they want to give our power up super some sort of use by entering unlimited mode for 5 seconds and 10 more seconds of still being fairly op'ed.

[Isuna]

We got a short combo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gwuPc94k1s

Seems to be mostly super-jumps to me T_T

[itsme]

Eh, I was going to post that too until Spark ninja'd me in the video thread.

Also:

前投げ＞CT＞dl2C＞jcJB＞J2A＞jcJ2C＞アギト

But I'm not sure if sj jB works too.

And I just realized Zantetsu's 1st hit puts the opponent airborne.

Edited November 27, 2012 by itsme

[Isuna]

Seems like Zantetsu second hit has vacuum effect as well.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Stated that in the video thread, they're making it easier to combo off of it regardless of your spacing and screen position.

[Dream Maker]

When seeing the vids, blocked counters actually seemed to me like they were positive. For what I've seen so far, Hakumen was always able to attack after them without the opponent countering. But I guess that's something that can only be checked in real gameplay. If it's really negative on block, maybe people don't know it's not safe or something.

[Kriegdrache]

S tier

i refuse to believe

you see amane and azrael dropping 8k combos like its nothing, haku spends like 80 stars to do 3k

The S stands for SlightlyDisabled

Im really looking forward to playing CP Hakumen though. OD Mugen shit looks mad fun.

[dioxideUniversa]

zantetsu(1) floating makes me giddy.

[mAc Chaos]

He's good, not bad, not stupid good, not stupid bad, just simply good. If he had his csex counters, he would be really good complete. But this new magatama gain

and OD yukikaze

has me looking forward to him, and his combos look hella easy now lol.

Azrael 8k combos? Gonna go check the Azrael forums now.

Well, it's more a question of how his stuff stacks up to everybody else's crazy stuff. Everybody got some ridiculous things this time around, so it's kind of like CT. In CT everybody had broken things but some character's broken things blew everybody else out of the water.

Although at this point it doesn't really matter anymore, Hakumen has enough stuff of his own to be happy playing him.

[Kriegdrache]

As long as Hakumen doesn't get his shit pushed in CT-style I'm happy.

[toanenadiz]

Can Hakumen do anything before he lands after using Agito?

[WolfCrimson]

jB, j2C, but only to force neutral tech.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Well, it's more a question of how his stuff stacks up to everybody else's crazy stuff. Everybody got some ridiculous things this time around, so it's kind of like CT. In CT everybody had broken things but some character's broken things blew everybody else out of the water.

Although at this point it doesn't really matter anymore, Hakumen has enough stuff of his own to be happy playing him.

He has enough of his old tools that made him good, and there's enough bullshit in the game that makes it deep and far from shallow. But still the bullshit doesn't have that much of an impact on high level play (yet).

As long as Hakumen doesn't get his shit pushed in CT-style I'm happy.

Huh?

Can Hakumen do anything before he lands after using Agito?

So far nothing yet. Agito is pretty much a combo ender.

[mAc Chaos]

I think he means if it gets blocked.

[Warhound]

j.B seems to be a pretty reliable way of following up with Agito pressure. Not sure how safe it is to attack after Agito though, I don't know what it is on block.

[Sophisticat]

We got a short combo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gwuPc94k1s

Seems to be mostly super-jumps to me T_T

Wow, hop Agito's got some range on it.

Nice combos, though. I like e'm. Seems like we can still ghetto out some form of corner carry too.

[zdravkelja]

2:57, 5k combo midscreen, 5 stars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V75utP1OAsU

edit: 5 stars

Edited November 27, 2012 by zdravkelja

[itsme]

Wow, hop Agito's got some range on it.

Nice combos, though. I like e'm. Seems like we can still ghetto out some form of corner carry too.

Hop Agito's range is funny to me. Also, there are Renka combos right now that does a decent amount of corner carry like CSE but I think it'll still be unused that much since Haku can now pretty much get damage anywhere. I think it went something like Starter>Renka>IAD jB>j2A>5C/2C>Guren>IAD jB>j2A>5C. Not really sure how it went but saw it in couple of the Haku vids and it being mentioned in the jbbs, the one with a good starter where you could go into Guren looked like it carried at least 2/3rds the screen.

Agito looks pretty good so far. Not really good but isn't really that bad as well. I haven't seen much cross up Agitos yet but I heard it's pretty hard to react to, even though it force techs, at least we can follow it up with jB if the opponent refuses to tech instantly.

[mAc Chaos]

I thought j.B j.A stuff wasn't supposed to work anymore.

[Wander]

Isnt it 5 stars if you count the agito. It looks like bursts have more recovery

[mAc Chaos]

Yeah, it's 5.

[mAc Chaos]

I just saw 2A > tick throw work in a Haku vs Makoto video... I thought it was busted. Maybe because it was in the corner.

[itsme]

I thought j.B j.A stuff wasn't supposed to work anymore.

Yeah, it doesn't. The new part is jB>j2A. j2A just floats them in place now and because Haku falls faster now, he can follow it up with a ground move though I'm not entirely sure if you could get 5C/2C in there, maybe it was something like 5A or 5B and I just have my hopes up.