[CS1] Iron Tager Evolution in the Loketests

[Darlos9D]

Does AC have more lower coverage on its hitbox now? It seems like he's grabbing people out of the air who are lower than he used to be able to. Like, how he can just do 2B->AC on a lot of prone opponents.

[JohnDewey]

Yeah, I also noticed some players who appear to be going for the Gadget-> RC-> Atomic Collider "crossdown". Gadget Flinger...you know what I mean.

Going for it and missing it, that is, because the collider always grabs them. That would corroborate what you're suggesting.

Edited December 17, 2010 by JohnDewey
Forgot to add something

[Isorropia]

Like, how he can just do 2B->AC on a lot of prone opponents.

In CS1 that works on everyone except hakumen hazama and valkenhayn. (Well, at a specific range it works on hazama, point blank j.2c > 2B > AC fails, but point blank 5A > 5B > 3C > 2B > AC works).

So yeah, always been able to do that. Just that 3C prorates better now so it's a good idea.

Going for it and missing it, that is, because the collider always grabs them. That would corroborate what you're suggesting.

Not necessarily. Most people suck at performing gadget flinger, seeing them mess it up isn't surprising.

[Osuna]

Here's something to look at.

Wait, 6C, j.2C off fatal? Was it previously confirmed that 6C j.2C no longer works in non fatal combos? That would be a bummer for me.

[Soriphen]

That would suck bad....It's nice to be able to change up Tager's combos when he does AC...hopefully they don't take that option away.

[Isorropia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z-k0cpMYxQ#t=12m34s

Well that's new. o.O

[Nobus3r1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z-k0cpMYxQ#t=12m34s

Well that's new. o.O

I just saw that and had pretty much the same reaction. Now if Arakune can be picked up with 360B>236A>22D our journey to the dark side will be complete?!?

@GZ-Matthias: BGadget can currently hit Carl w/out magnetism if you step first. The timing sucks but it is doable

[MooMooAkai]

You mean the 6A connecting, the BGadget connecting, or the awesome hitbox on Hamma?

Edit: Yea, thought so. 6A looked like a bare connect, thought the hitbox or hook properties were altered.. BGadget red beat made me lol.. Those bare minimum steps separate the boys from the men who angrilly throw pads and sticks around when they accidentally 2D :V

Edited December 18, 2010 by MooMooAkai

[Danzai]

Pertaining to non-fatal 6C j.2C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rxbtJy0N8A&t=1m45s

It still works in the corner at least.

[A.X.I.S.]

You guys make me sad.

6C>j.2C will always work unless your too far, even then you can always jump forward before you j.2C.

The combo I posted was just the basic one.

Bgadget on arakune makes our lives complete.

Natural since gadget has a bigger hitbox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0hCWbDEV0w

5C>6A combo's on standing opponent.

Life is complete, I'm done guys I am going to heaven, nice knowing ya.

Tager still rapes Tsubaki: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMxO3zo65zg

If I haven't said this before then I am saying it now:

CH 2D>6A>stuff works now.

Yeah I am gonna troll in this game.

Edited December 18, 2010 by A.X.I.S.

[Heroic_Legacy]

5C>6A combo's on standing opponent.

So 5C 6A 2C combos on standing then.

Hooray, extra 400 damage on combos! Get hype! Our BnB might break 4k.

[Osuna]

So 5C 6A 2C combos on standing then.

Hooray, extra 400 damage on combos! Get hype! Our BnB might break 4k.

5C 6A 2C does not necessarily make a new bnb, in fact I'm pretty certain it won't unless you're pretty close because 6A doesn't pull very much with no charge. Maybe with mag an a slight hold at certain distances. I'm not really imagining using our 5C at that range very much though, what with people having 5A's and 5B that work much better at the same range.

The video he linked did (CH) 5A 5C 6A 3C 2B collider bgadget for 1.8k he did that because he was too far away to get anything else to combo. Later when he was point blank it looked like 2C might have worked on bang, but he didn't go for it. Maybe 5C 6A could replace 6A 5C in some spots for more damage, but when you're super close and have a punish like that, 360b seems more logical. I'm very underwhelmed and kinda worried that we might be taking another damage nerf in order to get better abare, again. Fingers crossed that clears up.

I'm personally more worried that our bread and butters might do less damage than before the way the changes have been going.

[evilben]

Nevermind me... I need to learn to read...

[Danzai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBzjYPvULuE&t=1m16s

6A laughing at Bang's attempts to land Ashura resulting in a 2C fatal combo.

Life is good.

Edit: Also, 360A Gadget RC 5C Gadget 360B trick was pretty hot.

Edited December 19, 2010 by Danzai

[natearistata]

Edit: Hey screw you person above me

[Koopa_Klawz]

6A = FUCK YO REVERSAL!

[A.X.I.S.]

I'm very underwhelmed and kinda worried that we might be taking another damage nerf in order to get better abare, again. Fingers crossed that clears up.

I'm personally more worried that our bread and butters might do less damage than before the way the changes have been going.

We did take a slight damage nerf in some things but a buff in others.

he couldn't do 360B off CH 5A and I am pretty sure your not gonna hit confirm a CH 5A into 5C...he just got lucky that combo'd.

I have no idea if 6A>5C even works, no one in the jbbs mentioned it when I last checked.

[g0th1k4]

Hmm so how exactly did the 6A through the bang ashura work? The ashura hit the armour..then the 6a clashed...dont understand what really happened lol...does that mean tager's 6a can go through supers?

[Heroic_Legacy]

Edit: Also, 360A Gadget RC 5C Gadget 360B trick was pretty hot.

Old Gadget mixups are old.

I'm interested in when the super armor on 6A ends rather than what beats it/what doesn't it beat. Because vs that same Bang you can see 6A baited and punished with a properly timed 2D.

[GZ-Matthias]

@GZ-Matthias: BGadget can currently hit Carl w/out magnetism if you step first. The timing sucks but it is doable

This is true! I used to do things this way too, just forgot.

Interested to discover if BGadget works universally now since it also worked on Arakune in that video.

[Osuna]

We did take a slight damage nerf in some things but a buff in others.

he couldn't do 360B off CH 5A and I am pretty sure your not gonna hit confirm a CH 5A into 5C...he just got lucky that combo'd.

I have no idea if 6A>5C even works, no one in the jbbs mentioned it when I last checked.

He used it as a punish too, which was not very optimal. I meant using 360B instead of 5A as a punish. Which is obviously better at pretty much the same range. Really I think the 360B buff is a bigger deal than the 5C 6A. When are you gonna do that?

6A 5C was a typo, I meant 6A 2C, which could be less damage than 5C 6A 2C, but seems more plausible to me.

...I'd like to try hit confirming counterhit 5C into charged 6A on a magnetized opponent and see how much pull you could get off using the extra hitstun for charge time. 6A 2C would be a slight improvement over 6C off CH 5C.

[natearistata]

@Axis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8I_nw309E#t=6m42s

720 didn't purple off of 5B, though it did look quite delayed.

[DJ Koopa]

Because lol 1ABC throw reject miss. He had time to jump or counter, you saw the barrier pop up.

Edited December 19, 2010 by DJ Koopa

[Heroic_Legacy]

It would've been techable. Way way too quick after 5B.

[Osuna]

It would've been techable. Way way too quick after 5B.

But there weren't any exclamation points. Do you think the 5B update was really about it losing hitstun? It looked really quick to me too.