Lord Knight Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 hows chicken blocking? If their pressure is weak, great. If it's good, not that good of an idea. 1-do IB'ing and blocking overheads go together? Maybe it's just me but I find blocking overheads really tough when I'm IB'ing. 2- while playing (whether blocking, attacking, neutral), do you look or concentrate more on your character or your opponent's character? 1)Some people find it hard. If you find yourself focusing too hard on IB'ing, just look for one normal for IB punish/escape rather than trying to IB everything. 2) Depends. Neutral I look at my opponent more often than not. Blocking, you should definitely be looking at your opponent. You've got to be able to react to what moves/tricks their are doing, etc. Attacking, you should be paying attention to your opponent and seeing what they are trying to IB, if they try to use barrier to push you out, etc.
A.X.I.S. Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I got one LK, Tell me how I should improve my game. What are the things I should be practicing and teaching myself? the things you want to see from me? The last few games I played with you felt I was lacking in that department.
Beautiful Death Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Here's my question, copy and pasted from the Rachel Den of Evil. Help a dude out and I'll spin you round. Sup pedos. Two questions. 1. How good does Rachel look in CS2? Sure. Of course you can't know for sure. The game hasn't been out for that long. In that case just tell me what Japan dudes say. Top three is preferred but top five is fine too I guess. I was going to play Makoto but goddamn. I hate her drive. So much. But if there's like a massive feeling among all you dudes that Rachel will be like CS1 Ragdude, (as in #3, then falls to like #9 in time or some garbage like that) OUT WITH IT. Then I can run away and never appear here again. I want to play a juggernaut this time. Not some sissy mid-tier. Muck that. 2. What character would shore up Rachel's weak match ups? This character must be top/high tier. Around that region. Later yellow.
Nini Heart Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 You'll never be any good if you keep tier whoring. Just sayin'. Better pick a character you like and get better with them. LK, what do you think about gimmicks/reset? I understand that when a lot of your stuff is safe and everything leads to big damage, you really don't need them(pretty much when you're top tier), but do you think a playstyle like that is viable?
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 LK, when assessing max damage for characters, did you not include FC? You put Ragna's BK damage in the 6K range, but with FC it's more like 8K. He can net 9K+ in certain situations, but that's not really reliable. 7-8K is realistic for 2C FC -> BK stuff, though.
TD Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 @death, in cs2 rachel corner carries from anywhere on the screen with 6c5d(xn), and with wind the way it is in cs2 corner carry is almost always guaranteed. In the corner she can do 3-5k (so far) and after a combo the opponent MUST tech neutral (no more delay tech to activate George lol). Her corner pressure was always good so no mention there. Pumpkin is back, George is back somewhat, neko upper is back. I'd say she's really, really good now.
Dacidbro Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 You'll never be any good if you keep tier whoring. Just sayin'. Better pick a character you like and get better with them. That is simply not true.
Dacidbro Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 No it really isn't. Why would you intentionally cripple yourself if you want to win? Picking a character that isn't at least in the high tier is giving yourself more ways to lose than you ever should, if you want to win. I would actually say it's disrespectful to your opponents, if you expect to win in a matchup that's 65-35 or worse.
killionaire Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I think the general gist of what they're saying is that you won't improve as much if you rely on a character's pumped up strengths to cover up your own weaknesses. Tier whoring doesn't make you bad, but it kinda offers some crutches to the learning process. At least that's what I'm interpreting.
A.X.I.S. Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 No it really isn't. Why would you intentionally cripple yourself if you want to win? Picking a character that isn't at least in the high tier is giving yourself more ways to lose than you ever should, if you want to win. I would actually say it's disrespectful to your opponents, if you expect to win in a matchup that's 65-35 or worse. Ugh Dacid...god dammit Dacid...why would you say something, something so fucking! ow. Your words are so so painful to read. Why would you say this. FYI its no offense to my opponents but when I come into a match up of any odds: 2-8, 3-7, 5-5, etc etc. I always come in thinking I would win because thinking I would lose is a bad mind set and only hurts yourself. Go in thinking you can win and just put on your try hat because picking top tier doesn't mean your always gonna win nor does it increase your odds because tiers is not what makes you win tourneys...Its how well you play your character that let you win. Of course I can be wrong. FYI I place top 3 consistently in Ranbats.
Astaroth136 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 ^ This. I would much rather lose knowing that the matchup was tough, than to win with a top tier. Playing low tiers can result in frustration when money is on the line, but it was ultimately the player's decision anyway.
Dacidbro Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 How many majors are won by a low tier character? I could probably consistently place top 3 in local ranbats blindfolded. Astaroth you missed the point entirely.
killionaire Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) How many majors are won by a low tier character? I could probably consistently place top 3 in local ranbats blindfolded. Astaroth you missed the point entirely. It seems you completely missed Axis' point. Although your logic on probability is sound. Edited January 31, 2011 by killionaire
Lord Knight Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 I got one LK, Tell me how I should improve my game. What are the things I should be practicing and teaching myself? the things you want to see from me? The last few games I played with you felt I was lacking in that department. This isn't a question I can answer. This is an answer you need to reach by reflecting on your own play. At least at this point, it's not going to be stuff like execution and stuff like that, but probably answers in matchups. If you felt like you were lacking in your play last time we played, did you feel like it was because I was outplaying you, or was it because of something else. These are the kinds of questions I ask myself as I try to progress. It becomes very grey area as you continue to get better. Sup pedos. Two questions. 1. How good does Rachel look in CS2? Sure. Of course you can't know for sure. The game hasn't been out for that long. In that case just tell me what Japan dudes say. Top three is preferred but top five is fine too I guess. I was going to play Makoto but goddamn. I hate her drive. So much. But if there's like a massive feeling among all you dudes that Rachel will be like CS1 Ragdude, (as in #3, then falls to like #9 in time or some garbage like that) OUT WITH IT. Then I can run away and never appear here again. I want to play a juggernaut this time. Not some sissy mid-tier. Muck that. 2. What character would shore up Rachel's weak match ups? This character must be top/high tier. Around that region. Later yellow. Rachel will always be either outright good or bad. I think she's strong this time. I'm not sure of her positioning this time, but it will be in the upper group. Litchi does well against her. LK, what do you think about gimmicks/reset? I understand that when a lot of your stuff is safe and everything leads to big damage, you really don't need them(pretty much when you're top tier), but do you think a playstyle like that is viable? There are characters like Carl who thrive on resets. Overall though, a gimmicky player won't win, especially against an experienced player who's seen them all. Good mixup is much stronger. Especially stuff that's real 50/50 and hard to see, leads to big damage and you can repeat it - why would you need a gimmick if you have that? I'm not writing out gimmicks though. A good gimmick can be great for tourney play, but running that shit all the time in casuals is not so good. LK, when assessing max damage for characters, did you not include FC? You put Ragna's BK damage in the 6K range, but with FC it's more like 8K. He can net 9K+ in certain situations, but that's not really reliable. 7-8K is realistic for 2C FC -> BK stuff, though. Thanks, I'll fix it.
Astaroth136 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Astaroth you missed the point entirely. Not really. I agreed with what Axis was saying, then I added personal opinion (although it sidetracked a bit). I don't see how it would be disrespectful to be confident even when the odds are against you. Instead of taking offense, the opponent may see it as stupidity anyway.
mAc Chaos Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 How many majors are won by a low tier character? I could probably consistently place top 3 in local ranbats blindfolded. Astaroth you missed the point entirely. You're talking about winning tournaments with a top tier character. They're talking about being a good player. They overlap a lot, but those two things are not the same thing.
Dacidbro Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Yeah.. I don't see why you are suddenly a bad player if you play all good characters. Which is what they are implying/stating. It's a ridiculous notion.
mAc Chaos Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Yeah.. I don't see why you are suddenly a bad player if you play all good characters. Which is what they are implying/stating. It's a ridiculous notion. Well, I didn't mean it that way... I just mean that playing a top tier character lets you get away with more mistakes and can induce sloppiness in the player, or lets certain skills atrophy. I actually like it when I'm basically forced to be on point at all times or die. So I'm not saying you're a bad player if you play good characters. But it sounds like you were saying the opposite; you can't be a good player WITHOUT playing a good character, whereas a lot of people are just fine accepting the challenge and just see it as another hurdle to beat. It might be harder but it still ultimately comes down to the players, usually. I'd rather put the enjoyment I get from playing a character above just the matchups. For instance, I recall you said yourself once you'd always play Bang, so obviously his contribution to winning a tournament isn't what's making you pick it. If this was CT (or CS2) someone else could be telling you the same stuff you're telling other people about their characters right now. :P Edited January 31, 2011 by mAc Chaos
Dacidbro Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Here's the dillemma. -You can be a good player playing a bad character and not win tournaments because of it (Or maybe you'll catch a break and be a hero) -You can be a bad player playing a good character and not win tournaments because of it -You can be a bad player playing a bad character and you should retire -You can be a good player playing a good character and win tournaments It's each player's decision. But playing the best characters in every game is not bad, if you aim to win. It does not cripple an attentive player.
killionaire Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) It's each player's decision. But playing the best characters in every game is not bad, if you aim to win. It does not cripple an attentive player. Everyone always aims to win with their games.. However, there's a certain amount of emphasis that each player puts into that goal. Some people care more about developing their skills with a character they like than they care about winning. Some people will pick the best character because they want to win. However, what you're implying is that there are limitations onto how well you can do in a tourney with a non top tier, which (unless the character is REALLY bad) probably isn't true at the level being played at in America. Point is that no one is wrong.. You just need to recognize the other viewpoint. EDIT: Actually, I missed your point.. You already know this. I don't think any of us are on the same page. I think we should just stop now.. We don't need any more of this spam in LK's help thread. Edited January 31, 2011 by killionaire
A.X.I.S. Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 This isn't a question I can answer. This is an answer you need to reach by reflecting on your own play. At least at this point, it's not going to be stuff like execution and stuff like that, but probably answers in matchups. If you felt like you were lacking in your play last time we played, did you feel like it was because I was outplaying you, or was it because of something else. These are the kinds of questions I ask myself as I try to progress. It becomes very grey area as you continue to get better. Something else entirely, I guess i'll have to reflect on it more. Yeah.. I don't see why you are suddenly a bad player if you play all good characters. Which is what they are implying/stating. It's a ridiculous notion. I am not stating or implying it, I just think you got the wrong mind set thats all.
Dacidbro Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 That's cool, but I'm not wrong here at all, no matter how many people called me out for it just because I have an avatar of a blue bang punching Tsubaki in the face. You all jumped the gun because you misinterpreted what I said, because of the strong way I put it. Just recognize, if you're beating people in a 65-35 or worse matchup, they need some SERIOUS fucking work. Also, don't forget, I played Bang when he was bad. I'm not biased at all here, and I don't play according to tier. I play Bang. I expect that to cripple me if he does in fact get worse.
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