REVELATIONS 2011 - $5k CS2, $1k AH3 pot! June 10-12th, LAX! CS1, GGAC side tourney!

[Nakkiel]

I'm going to Revelations for three reasons:

1) It's convenient. I ain't flying to FL.

2) I ain't top player so I wouldn't want to waste my time with EVO.

3) $5k guaranteed for BB

lmfao

[nothingxs]

I'm going to Revelations for three reasons:

1) It's convenient. I ain't flying to FL.

2) I ain't top player so I wouldn't want to waste my time with EVO.

3) $5k guaranteed for BB

Were you planning on winning the $5K?

[Yuushiro]

are there even BB for CEO?

[nothingxs]

are there even BB for CEO?

Yes.

www.ceogaming.org

[TGS]

I would like to point out that the whole Evo Qualifiers thing is overblown since it only applies to 2 games: SSF4, and MvC3. Not to mention, there are still numerous other events that have Evo Qualifier status (i.e. Final Round, UFGT, etc.) outside of CEO, so the whole "you're not supporting Evo by not going to CEO" shit is ridiculous.

Let's face it; thanks to fighting games blowing up (re:SSF4, MvC3), more tourneys are gonna be thrown, and with that more toes are going to be stepped on, because there are only so many dates you can "reserve" before overlap is inevitable. Fucking hell, this is a bitter pill I would GLADLY swallow in exchange for not going back to the days of 40-man regional majors and shit where the winners barely broke even.

As for the whole "TL is a scam" claims, you guys know that Aksys Games is putting up the $5000, not TL, right? TL is just handling the money, and if they were to mishandle the money specified by Aksys to be strictly for BlazBlue, that would be some SERIOUS illegal shit they're doing, and shit will literally hit the fan.

As much as TL/ActiveGamers may not have a favorable reputation from Triple Threat, at least they're trying again and that says a lot about them.

[OniYouji]

I...fail to see the problem?

Let's keep in mind that LA and FL are on completely opposite ends of the country, here...it's quite a distance. For someone living on the East Coast, which tourney are they more likely to enter in? The tourney in LA, where, even winning the prize pot will mean barely breaking even from the trip alone? Or Florida, where the trip is much shorter, therefore less expensive, and a higher profit margin? The same goes for the other end of the country. If you happen to live in between...well, you have a choice; either go to LA, Florida, or stick around and wait for a tournament in Texas, which tends to get a lot of people too.

Plus, who is to say the games are identical? Who is to say the players are identical? There's something here for everyone. Why can't video game tournaments just be about having fun, playing games? There always has to be some drama behind it...it's a game; games, by their very nature, are for enjoyment and entertainment, not "who in the ENTIRE COUNTRY gets to have a tournament on this particular date?"

Hell, imagine if I started a local tourney in Oregon, and somehow, I schedule it on the same day as New York Ultra Beatdown Extravaganza; am I now liable for pushing battles because of a similar tourney going on nearly 3000 miles away?

[nothingxs]

I posted it here for y'all to draw your own conclusions. Just understand that a good deal of the top players originally were interested in attending CEO and now have a conflict of interest because someone with a sketchy payout history jumped out promising a huge pot.

That is all from my PoV. (Remember that SCR was more Level|Up than TL.)

[TGS]

I posted it here for y'all to draw your own conclusions. Just understand that a good deal of the top players originally were interested in attending CEO and now have a conflict of interest because someone with a sketchy payout history jumped out promising a huge pot.

That is all from my PoV. (Remember that SCR was more Level|Up than TL.)

Wait, BB players travel?

[OniYouji]

Wait, BB players travel?

I know I don't. Or, at least, the most I can travel by spamming Hell's Fang...which, in hindsight, is not a very safe transportation method.

[Yuushiro]

I don't since I can't afford it most of the time LOL

[CopperDabbit]

I posted it here for y'all to draw your own conclusions. Just understand that a good deal of the top players originally were interested in attending CEO and now have a conflict of interest because someone with a sketchy payout history jumped out promising a huge pot.

That is all from my PoV. (Remember that SCR was more Level|Up than TL.)

And I thank you for providing it. However, as a counter point, you have not responded to any of the valid points that were brought up with this thread. If you cannot dispute the things that were posted contradicting your statement, doesn't that make your point invalid?

[RinHara5aki]

*sigh...

[OniYouji]

*sigh...

Need a hug? Not your fault, nor do I care about all this controversy.

[natearistata]

you guys are forgetting the best part

if this is actually a scam and I do actually go, I may finally have a legitimate reason to throw someone through a window

[nothingxs]

And I thank you for providing it. However, as a counter point, you have not responded to any of the valid points that were brought up with this thread. If you cannot dispute the things that were posted contradicting your statement, doesn't that make your point invalid?

No, that's not actually how things work. I didn't come to argue. Nothing you said really contradicts anything, either. I'm talking about one thing and you're talking about forgiveness.

I'll address your major point, though!

Ok, so my example isn't 100% accurate, but I still think I have a valid argument here. In this day and age when a major is a rare thing to begin with, why should we ostracize a group trying to put together something that we all want? Because they picked a bad day for it? Oh, and as stated in TL_Staff's original post on SRK, they already have the blessing of the CEO crew.

I say that 1 doesn't make a pattern.

I say that SCR was run well, and I got paid on time with no shenanigans at all.

I say that they have earned a 2nd a chance.

I don't see a post from CEO saying that.

Also, SCR was mainly a Level|Up event, not a TL event. They are not implicitly married to each other. Level|Up is its own entity. Sure, TL was there in the event, but TL is really not as relevant as you think. Everything there ran smoothly pretty much because Alex Valle practically willed it so.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they do eventually pay everyone out like last time, but what does it tell you that the event needs to say in their promo video that pay outs will happen at the event? Why is that kind of reassurance needed?

Because they're sketchy. That's all.

Again, please draw your own conclusions as you will!

Edited February 1, 2011 by nothingxs

[Nakkiel]

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they do eventually pay everyone out like last time, but what does it tell you that the event needs to say in their promo video that pay outs will happen at the event? Why is that kind of reassurance needed?

Because not all tournaments pay out the same day? That'd be an easy one.

[nothingxs]

Because not all tournaments pay out the same day? That'd be an easy one.

Bzzt, it's because they've been late to payments (VERY LATE) before.

[Crosell]

It seems more like a damned if they did damned if they didn't put it in. They have been late before, so if they didn't put it in you would say, its sketch they wouldn't put that in because they have been late before good luck getting your money.

Now they have put in you are like its sketch why would they put that.

Not to defend anyone but its a pretty moot point that doesn't really reflect anything.

[CopperDabbit]

I didn't come to argue. Nothing you said really contradicts anything, either. I'm talking about one thing and you're talking about forgiveness.

There's a difference between an argument and a discussion. I'm asking you to back your belief that Revelations is a tournament that is not worth my time (not stated, but implied), that the people running it are untrustworthy and "shady". As I pointed out initially, I have never "forgiven" Active Gamers for the disaster that was Triple Threat. Nor do I plan to. Whether or not people should go to Revelations, however, is entirely what this discussion is about (again, not stated but implied).

Also, SCR was mainly a Level|Up event, not a TL event. They are not implicitly married to each other. Level|Up is its own entity. Sure, TL was there in the event, but TL is really not as relevant as you think. Everything there ran smoothly pretty much because Alex Valle practically willed it so.

Alright, I'm willing to concede the idea that SCR was mainly LU, no TL. Fine. Does this mean that the parts that TL were responsible for were handled horribly? Was there any fallout at all that TL was blamed for? Seems to me that even if they weren't shouldering the primary burden of SCR, they contributed and did their jobs and did them well.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they do eventually pay everyone out like last time, but what does it tell you that the event needs to say in their promo video that pay outs will happen at the event? Why is that kind of reassurance needed?

Because people are inherently distrustful of other people giving them large sums of money. I ran an event called the "CopperDabbit Challenge" and I guaranteed money up front. That make me shady?

[Yuushiro]

you should MM people too over there dabbit...

I will be down lol.....

also I'll be taking Dacid money lal

[PozerWolf]

Holy crap, this all sounds awful about the past events that happened in the tournaments.

But look at the bright side, you guys are not dealing with Planet Zero. You want to talk about "scams", look to that Arcade's direction.

[OrionXElite]

you should MM people too over there dabbit...

I will be down lol.....

also I'll be taking Dacid money lal

Little does Dabbit know, he already has a MM lined up and ready for him at Revalations :3

[blk_mage]

So i take it the (potential) NorCal caravan is still planning for this?

[Dacidbro]

you should MM people too over there dabbit...

I will be down lol.....

also I'll be taking Dacid money lal

Just how much money will you be taking

[RinHara5aki]

Triple Threat tournament was an unorganized tournament with a prize money issue. The reason they couldn't pay in full was because the venue unexpectedly decided to charge ActiveGamers parking fees the day of the tournament. (Since the players were parking free in the lot.) AG did their best to ensure the remainder of the money was given to winners, which ended up being in less than a week. (Which is a faster turnaround than most majors I've been to distributing checks.)

After that event has passed, AG tried reaching out to several 'known' community leaders in SoCal but nobody responded or wanted any affiliation. Instead they chose to slander and spread false information about them behind their backs. AG was put in the "TO's to avoid list" in SRK shortly after.

I was the only person in SoCal to pick up John Nelson's(AG/TL) call during the aftermath. I picked up his call because I was adult enough to understand the guy made a mistake, his intentions were good, and that he wanted to make things right in the community.

We had a conversation in the parking lot the night before Triple Threat til 4AM, talking about the future of the fighting game community and what will it take to get there. I don't waste my time with people in the community that thinks selfishly for fame/fortune, all I saw from him was progression.

I've met John at one of AG's first tournaments in 2009, were I also met the soon to be 'OnlineTony213' which I advised him to use Seth instead of Ken/ELF in Vanilla. I also got to know more about John when he hosted Namco's Official Tekken 6 launch party and the Triple Threat Pre-party at uWink. The guy was coming up faster than any community leader in SoCal in over a decade.

I knew the risk associating with someone the majority of the community thinks negatively about, but I chose to help him out anyways. In the midst of all this, Level|Up was formed and we also announced the Dave & Buster's tournament. In cooperation with ActiveGamers, we knew if the mere mention of their name was included in this project, the community wasn't prepared to forgive and probably wouldn't attend the tourney. Our plan was just to show the community how a tourney should be presented with the right people and to display AG's good intentions for the community. There was no venue fee,pot bonuses of up to 1K, and decorative sponsor prizes adding up to about 5K of product. Jimmy Nguyen worked like a champion putting together the logistics of the tournament, while AG provided extra equipment and worked with Dave & Buster's corporate to make this one of the most successful events SoCal has ever seen.

Even before bringing Weds Night Fights to D&B, John talked about planning his Revelations tournament and how this tournament was going to be massive etc etc. The best possible dates John came up with was whenever E3 weekend is to maximize exposure. Since Devastation 2010 was already set in that weekend, the event got pushed back for E3 2011 weekend. I advised him that we need to throw a major tourney first anyways to build credibility for this type of venture. As a result, SCR was produced which was a great success. A TOURNAMENT WHERE ALL PLAYERS WERE PAID THE SAME DAY. Ask any top 8 SSF4 player how the checks were delivered on the spot. Daigo/Tokido needed to get their checks cashed before they went back to Japan. John and his camp went to the bank the next morning and cashed it for them. I mean who does that? You have TO's out there that mail checks 2-6 months after the event or whenever their 'next major' is.

Now here we are...

Talking about where the money comes from...

A: That's not anybodys but TL's concern. Your speculation on the matter only provokes unwarranted mischief.

Does TL pay out...

A: Absolutely

Why is there a conflicting date with an 'EVO qualifying' tournament...

A:There are 10 tournaments on the 'EVO 2011 Circuit'. None of which were going to be added until a proposition was sent to all 'major' TO's near the end of Nov/Early Dec of 2010. TL had no intention of conflicting with any EVO dates since they have already decided early 2010 about throwing Revelations during E3 2011 weekend. It's rather unfortunate the date pursued by 2 TO's happen to fall at the same time.

I've connected both TL and CEO to talk about this issue almost a month ago and there seems to not be any resolution on the matter.

I understand the frustrations of both parties and can only wish the best for their events under the circumstances.

His say.