xlolxlolx Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) seth normals ５Ａ 顔の高さでの横切り。しゃがみにも当たる。 5A face height horizontal slash. hits crouchers ２Ａ いわゆる小足。全キャラのなかでも貴重な下段の2A 2A weak kick. valuable low that all characters have ＪＡ 斜め下向きの蹴り。 j.A diagonally downward kick ５Ｂ 真横へ切り払う 5B straight forward slash ２Ｂ しゃがんだまま横へ切り払う 2B crouching forward slash ３Ｂ 姿勢を低くしての斬りつけ。リーチは短い。対空につかうにはやや判定に難あり 3B low profile slash. short reach. kinda hard to use as an anti air ＪＢ 左右を斬りつける。めくりあり j.B left and right slash. crossup exists ダッシュＢ 2ヒット技。前慣性つきの膝蹴り→5Bモーションの斬り dash 5B 2 hit move. forward momentum knee->5b motion slash ５Ｃ 正面を切りつける。追加5Cでリーチの長い攻撃を追加 5C frontal slash. followup 5c is a long reach attack ６Ｃ 前飛び踵落とし中段、地上でヒットすればそのままコンボへ。 6C foward jump axe kick high, comboable on ground hit. ２Ｃ 2ヒットする足払い。横方向にリーチが長い 2C 2 hit sweep. long horizontal reach ３Ｃ 打ち上げ。対空にも使えるが、基本的にコンボ用 3C launcher. usable as anti air but, standard use is for combos ＪＣ 下方向への斬りつけ。発生遅め。めくりあり j.C downward slash. slow startup. crossup exists Ｊ６Ｃ ６Ｃの空中ver。空中ヒット時は相手叩き付け。 j.6C 6C's air ver. strikes down on air hit. Ｊ２Ｃ 斜め急降下キック。屈ガード可能。ヒットorガード問わず自分は反動で跳ね返って浮く j.2C diagonal quick fall kick. crouch blockable. jump and float away in opposite direction regardless of hit or block. ダッシュＣ 5C派生Cのモーションで敵を切りつける。ヒット時は壁吹き飛ばしに追撃可 dash 5C 5C's followup 5C's motion. blowback onto wall on hit and can be followed up specials 縫縛 (ほうばく)のセグメント ２３６＋ＡorＢorＥＸ（空中可） 設置系飛び道具。設置後一定時間たつと相手の一度サーチして弾が出て、ヒット時は相手を一定時間拘束し追撃可能。 ただし、発射前の設置玉に相手の攻撃判定があたると消されてしまう。 Ａは目の前、Ｂは斜め前に設置。ＥＸは目の前に設置し3発飛び道具が出る。 空中版はＡ、ＥＸが前方Ｂが後方に設置する。 houbaku no segment (j.)236a/b/ex setup style projectile. ball comes out after a fixed amount of time after being set and searches for the opponent once, traps them on hit for a fixed amount of time and can be followed up. however, it will disappear if the opponent's attack hitbox hits the projectile before it launches the ball. A ver. comes out right in front of you, B ver. comes out diagonally forward. EX ver. comes out right in front of you and shoots 3 projectiles A and EX air ver. comes out in front and B comes out behind you. 双鈎 (そうこう)のヴェンジェンス ６２３＋ＡorＢorＥＸ 突進技。判定は強くなくガードされて不利なので基本的にコンボ用。 ただし、EXには無敵があるので割り込みやリバサに使える。隙は少なめだが出し方によっては確定反撃をもらう。 soukou no vengeance 623a/b/ex charge move. hitbox isn't strong and disadvantage on block so standard use is for combos. however, EX ver. has invinicbility so it can be used as a reversal. few chances to use this but can guarentee a comeback. 消失のコンフュージョン ２１４＋ＡorＢorＣ 移動技。Ａは前方へＢは斜め上へＣはさらに上空へ移動する。 技中、相手近接時にＡorＢorＣで派生。レバー入れで派生後の出現方向を選択できる。 soushitsu no confusion 214a/b/c movement move. A ver. goes forward B ver. diagonally up C ver. goes up even higher. during the move, a/b/c followup when near opponent. can choose which side the followup will come out on by inputting direction on the lever. Ａ派生 地上に出現。相手が食らい状態なら攻撃判定が発生する。 派生モーションに入るときの特殊エフェクトに当身判定があり、攻撃を取るとコンビクトで反撃する。 A followup appears on the ground. attack hitbox will startup if opponent is in a state where they'd get hit.(lol im guessing the "state" is just being close to them) followup motion has a special effect where you have a parry hitbox, if you catch an attack you counterattack with convict. Ｂ派生 空中に出現。相手が食らい状態なら攻撃判定が発生する。 空中に出現後は必殺技または急降下が使用可能 B followup appears in air. same prereq as above for it to come out. you can use specials and quick fall after you appear in air. Ｃ派生 A派生モーションの後にヴェンジェンスで突進。ヒット時相手をその場で一定時間拘束し追撃可脳。 C followup charge with vengeance after A followup motion. opponent is trapped in place for a fixed amount of time on hit and can be followed up. 穿通 (せんつう)のペネトレイト 空中で２１４＋ＡorＢorＥＸ 空中から斜め下に向かって突進する。 AとEX版は打撃、B版は移動投げ。 sentsuu no penetrate j.214a/b/ex charge diagonally downward from midair A and EX vers are strikes, B ver. is a moving throw. 罪咎(ざいきゅう)のコンビクト ６３２１４６＋ＡorＢorＥＸ 相手の背中に乗って首を切るコマンド投げ。EXはその後に追撃可 zaikyuu no convict 632146a/b/ex command thow where you hop on their back and slice their neck. EX ver. can be folowed up afterward. IW 連鎖のネファリウス ４１２３６＋Ｄ 無敵ありの突進系乱舞技。威力も高い。 rensa no nefarious 41236d charge type crazy dance(sounds retarded in english no matter what word i use) move with invincibility. damage is also high. IWE 境界のディスタント Ａ＋Ｂ＋Ｃ kyoukai no distant ABC special movement バックステップ ４４or４＋Ａ＋Ｂ バックステップ、バック中後空中へ飛び上がる backstep 44 or 4ab backstep, at the end of the backstep you jump in the air バックステップ中に１or２or３ バックステップ派生、飛び上がらずさらに短いバックステップを行う。 during backstep 1/2/3 backstep followup, short backstep without the jump 空中バックステップ 空中で４４or４＋Ａ＋Ｂ 空中バックステップ、１度の滞空中に１回のみ使用可能。 air backstep j.44/4ab air backstep, can only be used once each time while youre in the air. 急降下 空中で２２or２＋Ａ＋Ｂ 真下に急降下着地する。上記の空中バックステップと合わせて滞空中にそれぞれづつ１回のみ使用可能。 kyuukouka(quick fall) j.22/2ab quick fall landing straight down. can only be used once each time youre in air same as the air backstep above Edited September 25, 2012 by xlolxlolx *cough* forgot to put char name
Digital Masta Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Updated the Gordeau move list translation. Everything except the tips but I'm hungry...so dinner.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Updated the Gordeau move list translation. Everything except the tips but I'm hungry...so dinner. Thanks for the info on gordeau, I was wondering if he has any meterless reversals, specifically if any versions of Grim Reaper besides the EX version have invincibility.
Digital Masta Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) As of right now the only reversal that I use is Grim Reaper. I haven't seen anything to indicate any meterless invincible moves. I have been hit out of the start up of Grim Reaper as well, if there are invincibility frames they don't start until later. It has long reach so I try to only use it if I'm not close close to the opponent because it's so punishable on block and of course, if they're in the air then let 'er rip. So apparently according to @hc0519's twitter there is going to be a patch at some point. Mainly because certain characters are too strong like Hyde, Orie and Waldstein. I can't speak for Hyde and Orie but Waldstein...man last night was not fun. Dude grabs you out of EVERYTHING, does massive damage and has retarded reach, personally even more than Yuzu all you gotta do is mash one of his various throws. And of course while I do enjoy chain shift, it's broken as fuck in its current state. I mean not only does it give you your meter back but you can build up the GRD enough to do it again and you can do it in the air. I mean you guys saw that Linne combo. Oh and course the combos are just insanely long in the game. Edited September 26, 2012 by Digital Masta
Sahgren Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 As of right now the only reversal that I use is Grim Reaper. I haven't seen anything to indicate any meterless invincible moves. I have been hit out of the start up of Grim Reaper as well, if there are invincibility frames they don't start until later. It has long reach so I try to only use it if I'm not close close to the opponent because it's so punishable on block and of course, if they're in the air then let 'er rip. So apparently according to @hc0519's twitter there is going to be a patch at some point. Mainly because certain characters are too strong like Hyde, Orie and Waldstein. I can't speak for Hyde and Orie but Waldstein...man last night was not fun. Dude grabs you out of EVERYTHING, does massive damage and has retarded reach, personally even more than Yuzu all you gotta do is mash one of his various throws. And of course while I do enjoy chain shift, it's broken as fuck in its current state. I mean not only does it give you your meter back but you can build up the GRD enough to do it again and you can do it in the air. I mean you guys saw that Linne combo. Oh and course the combos are just insanely long in the game. I'm liking how the game looks right now, but I will admit that I'd be very happy if they did patch to fix the more stupid portions like Chain Shifting. I haven't seen all that much footage of Hyde yet (or Waldstein, but you just explained him). Is he just typical main-character broken or is there something specifically stupid about him? Edit: I really should read more carefully. I didn't see the portion of "I can't speak for Hyde and Orie". Could I bother you to ask someone who knows more on why Hyde is broken?
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 As of right now the only reversal that I use is Grim Reaper. I haven't seen anything to indicate any meterless invincible moves. I have been hit out of the start up of Grim Reaper as well, if there are invincibility frames they don't start until later. It has long reach so I try to only use it if I'm not close close to the opponent because it's so punishable on block and of course, if they're in the air then let 'er rip. Alright kinda sucks, to hear but at least Grim Reaper is air unblockable. So I guess his only safe reversals are ex Grim Reaper and ex Assimilation. SO I guess Vatista, Orie and Hyde are the only ones with meterless reversals then eh? Though I've noticed not many people use Gordeau, I'm guess this is because he's not a quick character to learn, what it being necessary to always be aware of his unorthodox spacing due to his extremely far reaching command normals and his point blank normals. So apparently according to @hc0519's twitter there is going to be a patch at some point. Mainly because certain characters are too strong like Hyde, Orie and Waldstein. I can't speak for Hyde and Orie but Waldstein...man last night was not fun. Dude grabs you out of EVERYTHING, does massive damage and has retarded reach, personally even more than Yuzu all you gotta do is mash one of his various throws. And of course while I do enjoy chain shift, it's broken as fuck in its current state. I mean not only does it give you your meter back but you can build up the GRD enough to do it again and you can do it in the air. I mean you guys saw that Linne combo. Oh and course the combos are just insanely long in the game. I honestly haven't seen anything special about any of the characters you mentioned. The only impressive thing I've seen from Orie is her instant overhead which can only be followed up with meter. Would you care to elaborate on these said characters if you can?
Dersu Uzala Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) Some people have been complaining to the game's Twitter page about the overpowered characters; their responses are highly indicative of a future balance update. Combos could absolutely stand to be shortened. Capcom fighter players like to rag on BB for its overly drawn-out combos, but this has it beaten by a mile. That combo of Merkava's where he repeatedly OTGs them with the same move string several times is just ridiculous. I think this game has massive potential, but could have used a bit more time in the oven before setting it loose. I am wondering if Hilda is a time-release character, or if she will simply remain a non-playable boss. Edited September 26, 2012 by Dersu Uzala
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 I can't lie the combos are really long, but I mean coming out with a completely new series is hard to perfect upon the initial release. But yes Merkava doing 6.8k on day 3 is a bit crazy as well. In a sense it's like BBCT, immensely damaging long winded combos. But they seem to have a better grasp on this series than ArcSys did with BB initially. Nevertheless I love this game and can't wait to play it. I'm loving Gordeau.
Digital Masta Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) Alright kinda sucks, to hear but at least Grim Reaper is air unblockable. So I guess his only safe reversals are ex Grim Reaper and ex Assimilation. SO I guess Vatista, Orie and Hyde are the only ones with meterless reversals then eh? Though I've noticed not many people use Gordeau, I'm guess this is because he's not a quick character to learn, what it being necessary to always be aware of his unorthodox spacing due to his extremely far reaching command normals and his point blank normals. I honestly haven't seen anything special about any of the characters you mentioned. The only impressive thing I've seen from Orie is her instant overhead which can only be followed up with meter. Would you care to elaborate on these said characters if you can? As far as Orie and Hyde go I was just quoting what @hc0519 said. I don't know the specific examples. I haven't gone up against either one yet (non A.I.). Waldstien was mentioned also and THAT I do have experience with. His biggest advantage is how easy it is for him to mash throw out of everything and the fact that he does A LOT of damage. He threw me (Gordeau) and that was 1/3 of my life gone. But I do agree that the biggest problem is Chain Shift. It's sooooooooooooooooooo broken. It's an FADC with no consequence...oh you lose GRD, who the hell cares? You gain super meter for it AND it cancels your attacks AND you can do it in the air and any time you want provided you're in GRD Vorpal. I would say make it so that you lose GRD and gain no meter, and maybe even take out the ability to do it in the air. Edited September 26, 2012 by Digital Masta
Sourenga Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) Stream has been going on here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/game-carnival ...though it's only morning in Japan, so there aren't any skilled players playing yet. But arcade opening movie and story gameplay can be seen... Right now, someones playing Carmine's story. Before someone tried to beat Orie's and Linne's stories, but both lost to Hilda. Story seemed rather interesting... needs more gameplay to understand all these weird organization terms... Someone called "Kuon" popped up in the conversation before Linne's final battle and was explained to be same as Linne... Soul trapped in a different body. Linne also called Orie "komusume" (little girl) so it can be expected, that in reality she is much older than Orie... And Hyde calls Orie "Harada-san" and Orie called Hyde "Kudo-kun" but it wasn't explained how these two knew each other... Has it been revealed yet? Edited September 26, 2012 by Sourenga
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 Sounds like they're also trying to beat BB's story mode lol. Interesting....
Tachyons Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%83%91%E3%83%B3%E5%B7%A5%E5%A0%B4%E8%A3%8Ftv Frenchbread doing some emergency stream?
mojokex Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 17-man tournament: Part1: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18978405 Part2: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18978438 Part3: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18978491 Part4: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18978699 Part5: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18978812 Part6: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18978896
Agni Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 Sounds like they're also trying to beat BB's story mode lol. Interesting.... They want to give the console release (hopefully it will get one...) a VN-story like BB, so that's probably right. I hope they got some good story-writers, this seems like it can be really interesting.
TSHKN Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 As far as Orie and Hyde go I was just quoting what @hc0519 said. I don't know the specific examples. I haven't gone up against either one yet (non A.I.). Waldstien was mentioned also and THAT I do have experience with. His biggest advantage is how easy it is for him to mash throw out of everything and the fact that he does A LOT of damage. He threw me (Gordeau) and that was 1/3 of my life gone. But I do agree that the biggest problem is Chain Shift. It's sooooooooooooooooooo broken. It's an FADC with no consequence...oh you lose GRD, who the hell cares? You gain super meter for it AND it cancels your attacks AND you can do it in the air and any time you want provided you're in GRD Vorpal. I would say make it so that you lose GRD and gain no meter, and maybe even take out the ability to do it in the air. I think they should make your command air dash cost GRD and make Chain Shift cost meter like 50% like gg or BB and not give you any thing but a cancel
Betto Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) Waldstein's wall-bounce punch looks retardedly good; seems kinda fast and easy to go into a combo afterwards lol Nothing to say about Orie; though about Hyde - his dashing C looks like it's so easy to pick up on because it looks like it crosses up plus it causes the opponent to stagger (dunno if it's CH only?) I saw a Seth arcade playthrough during one of the Pasopiado streams; can't tell what the hell they were saying, but Stage 5 and 9 for him were Hyde and Linne. After beating Linne, it looks like he tied her up or something then went off to face Hilda It was hilarious because a new challenger interrupted and it was a Linne player (lol) I want to see arcade playthroughs now Only saw Seth's and what looks like to be Hyde's ending Edited September 26, 2012 by Betto
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 They want to give the console release (hopefully it will get one...) a VN-story like BB, so that's probably right. I hope they got some good story-writers, this seems like it can be really interesting. VN type story mode? I think they should make your command air dash cost GRD and make Chain Shift cost meter like 50% like gg or BB and not give you any thing but a cancel Chain shifts work that much like RC's? I want to see arcade playthroughs now Only saw Seth's and what looks like to be Hyde's ending The game's story intrigues me and it looks like Hyde and Seth have some sort of rivalry going on.
Agni Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 I saw a Seth arcade playthrough during one of the Pasopiado streams; can't tell what the hell they were saying, but Stage 5 and 9 for him were Hyde and Linne. After beating Linne, it looks like he tied her up or something then went off to face Hilda It was hilarious because a new challenger interrupted and it was a Linne player (lol) I want to see arcade playthroughs now Only saw Seth's and what looks like to be Hyde's ending Damn, Seth must REALLY hate her. BladeOfJustice: I meant a visual-novel-style story mode. Like BB's or P4A's.
caiooa Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) for me it looks like he just used her as a bait to fight hilda. Then after the final battle linne said something like "in truth you are a good person"...but he let her in the tree anyway http://imageshack.us/a/img29/8893/semttulopum.png http://imageshack.us/a/img152/5472/semttulo2sz.png =3 Edited September 26, 2012 by caiooa
TSHKN Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 VN type story mode? Chain shifts work that much like RC's? The game's story intrigues me and it looks like Hyde and Seth have some sort of rivalry going on. yes i at least that what it look like in the matches Ive seen so far also that hammer arm 4B OTG loop that Merkava looks hella fun i hope if they nerf it that you could still do like 2 loop it be a shame if they took it out completey.
fifty-four Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 Anyone else liking the beta more than the arcade release? I gotta say I preferred the beta announcer and gui more than the current one. I also liked some of the beta's animations and songs more.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 for me it looks like he just used her as a bait to fight hilda. Then after the final battle linne said something like "in truth you are a good person"...but he let her in the tree anyway http://imageshack.us/a/img29/8893/semttulopum.png http://imageshack.us/a/img152/5472/semttulo2sz.png =3 Lol sounds like Seth is just an anti hero. The story for this game reminds me of the beginning storyline for Bleach, I thought seth would be sort of neutral antogonistic. But he's a flat out anti hero which I'm fine with. Doesn't make him any less badass for me
F. Wily Posted September 26, 2012 Posted September 26, 2012 But I do agree that the biggest problem is Chain Shift. It's sooooooooooooooooooo broken. It's an FADC with no consequence...oh you lose GRD, who the hell cares? You gain super meter for it AND it cancels your attacks AND you can do it in the air and any time you want provided you're in GRD Vorpal. I am not sure that I agree with that. Given that the game seems momentum based.
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