rannos Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 there are a lot of these threads...i'm a little bit tired of seeing them and i don't come here that often but i have ghosted for a long time off and on depending on wither i needed to research something or not. really i don't see a huge point in these topics; if they make a new guilty gear and it's good: great; if they don't oh well GGXXAC is the best fighting game made to date i have no problem continuing to play it. GG isn't dead people still play it, wither a new one is coming out or not people will still play it. there is still a scene for SF2 which is a really old game now, but never the less people play it because they like it. a lot of people still play #R at any given point in the day you'll find someone online to play with. there are still tournaments held for GGXXAC that a lot of the old pros still compete in. just because a new doesn't come out doesn't mean GG is dead. a new one 'might' come out leave it at that. as for the discussion on catering to certain audiences great discussion with good points i wish every one could be so reasonable. i just have one notion to add to that that's a little off topic. catering to casuals also invites a gateway to the hard core scene. let's face it if you only go up against players who are already so good at fighting games that you cannot even tell why their beating you, getting into one of the harder games is basically impossible. A friend of mine started playing guilty gear against Latiff and Pozerwolf and some of the other top dogs in the Texas scene and it took him years to get remotely good because they were so much better than him. it's not a lack of competence he's a smart fellow and figures things out really quickly. it was just a little bit too hard a feat. so starting on a game that's less hard core to get you good enough at fighting games to learn the harder games. now i used a crutch game to get into guilty gear. i started playing guilty gear a year ago and i was playing against some really strong players and it was just a little to hard for my taste and i quit for BBCS. which i learned sort of well and that stepping stone allowed me to have enough fundamental understanding to pick up guilty gear. so i do support the production of simpler games along side more hard core to promote the hard core games. so the point of my personal ramblings is that the hard core market is increased with an increase in the market of casual games. Sorry for rambling a little bit much but i wanted to so deal with it.
McArthur Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 yes i for one believe that the 2 games can always help each other out. people just have to have a positive look on things
its iaijutsu Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I think we all agree that AC with online is the best idea. I gives the guilty gear players easy access to other players, it doesn't take away from blaz blue playrs because they've built a pretty strong fan base and all the guilty gear guys(including myself) will stop bugging daisuke about a new guilty gear. I mean seriously, since the scene in my city died I've tried ssf4, bbcs, mvc3 and I've even resorted to going back to mvc2 to feed my fighting game fix. Right now I'm in the process of buying a ps2 just so I can play AC by myself in survivor mode. I don't want a new guilty gear, I just want AC online.
Pestilence Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I don't want a new guilty gear, I just want AC online. ^^^This
qwerty Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?9940-GGXX-Accent-Core-now-%28actually%29-playable-online!
vedasisme Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I hope Sanoshi is right about the mistranslation. It just doesn't make any sense to say "the franchise's fans are getting old" because otherwise they would be completely ignoring the seemingly endless continuation of Street Fighter. I'm certain that people will continue to play Accent Core for as long as it takes to make the next Guilty Gear (and improving an online version of GGAC could only help *wink wink nudge nudge*), and every time I search "ggxx" on nico video, there are always some newcomers to the Mikado ranbats. I'm not ready to give up on GG just yet.
Spirit Juice Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I hope Sanoshi is right about the mistranslation. It just doesn't make any sense to say "the franchise's fans are getting old" because otherwise they would be completely ignoring the seemingly endless continuation of Street Fighter. The group of fans from SFII to SFIII to SFIV are pretty varied. XX is an aging franchise, and for the most part, the fans that started with XX or even X are old. I think the point was that making a new XX game would have a hard time getting new fans. Overhauling the game to cater to a more casual crowd would yield better results, but they already did that with BB... Guess we'll have to see what happens in the next years.
SSMugen Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Honestly, they way I think they should go about it is making a (bear with me guys) a Blazblue/Guilty Gear cross over but retain the GGAC battle system. Since Blazblue is in the title, it won't have a problem attracting new players and since we already know they're capable of making adequate tutorials for beginners (original Blazblue beginner DVD and CS tutorial mode anyone?) there's no excuse for players not to be able to ease into the new game. From there on out, I have no idea what they should do but at least that's a start.
McArthur Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 wow i've been daydreaming BB char in a GGAC system, Litchi with frc's 360B frc-> magnatech or whatever, and oh lol moving to gather tension hello bang HAHA, but yeah the crossover would be good, idea-wise still lots of funny watifs in my head HAHA ggac-online for PC its not really 100% reliable or 100% the same compared to its console counterpart, but it is a start and thank God it existed xD i just thought about it now, did anyone in Europe asked daisuke if there are any plans of porting?
F. Wily Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Colour me odd, but I take this as not that the Guilty Gear series is dead-in-the-water more that it would be greatly difficult to make a new guilty gear with the expectation of new gamers in mind. Which if you look at the market subjectively, isn't that hard see that more or less the series as it stands might be seen "too hardcore" with the new crowd. I would assume that for the series to regain it's traction, it would have to start from the ground up again... I don't think that Daisuke really has any idea how to start doing that, which in itself is reasonable. I am not sure where BlazBlue sits in this discussion simply due to the fact that I get the feeling that the next game will take the series in a different direction than Guilty Gear, if CS2 is anything to go by. That said, it's hard not the overlook the pedigree... BlazBlue for the last few years has been doing something that Guilty Gear hasn't really attempted, and that is simply lowering the bar to access despite the similarities between the two. That said, there will come a point where BlazBlue is simply be "too hard for some people." Maybe that is what it will take for a new Guilty Gear (or something else entirely). Honestly, they way I think they should go about it is making a (bear with me guys) a Blazblue/Guilty Gear cross over but retain the GGAC battle system. With the many subsystems that was included in AC, I would think that is a rather bad idea... just from my view point, I would think that scaling that down to XX's tension gauge would be somewhat brighter. Still would love a Vs. game between those two.... as much as Daisuke and Toshimichi have shot down the idea. Ah, a fan can dream...
its iaijutsu Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?9940-GGXX-Accent-Core-now-%28actually%29-playable-online! Is that only on pc? My computer got stolen a few months ago and all I have now is an iPad :/
Abominable K Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Internationally, it's true that BB has been more successful than GG, but then again, foreign distributors put a hell of a lot more of a marketing push behind it than the GG series got. Who's to say that if something like Accent Core had the same promotions behind it, it wouldn't have been popular?
qwerty Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 it's like i said, everything is different these days. maybe if aksys had the resources back in 2007 to push guilty gear as hard as they've pushed bb, things would be different today (in the us, at least).
Blade Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) As a fighting game, I can see GG going through some changes. They've learned a lot through BlazBlue alone. Simplicity isn't necessarily ideal with GG, but then, if you consider what Mortal Kombat's transition is currently going through, there's hope. As a story, I can tell you there's tons of evidence that this is Daisuke's baby. He ain't gonna stop anytime soon. Just be patient, guys, once BlazBlue is over or almost over, and people support all that A.S.W. does, we'll see a new GG soon enough. I'm just thankful fighting games are plentiful in this day and age. Heck, I'm not even done organizing/translating GG's backstory yet, so before the next one comes, I hope you guys will read some of the stuff I'm working on. Edited March 23, 2011 by Blade
Stafy Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 idk why some people are getting mad about no more guilty gear to me some seemed to not care about it anymore if the forum section barely updates anymore. :/
zdravkelja Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 We can't talk about it forever if there isn't anything new. We still play it.
Sym_ Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 i think guilty gear is doomed...daisuke probably only sees two options dumb it down and lose it's core fan base release a proper gg sequel and watch it bomb in sales
LordSpectreX Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) Jesus people. There isn't a thin red line here. The choice isn't "Hardcore Guilty Gear that will bomb" or "Simple BlazBlue that will suck". They can take the middle ground, make it more accessible, but still keep the advanced stuff. In fact, that's probably WHAT they're going to do. Surely you people agree that there is quite a bit of a gap between the difficulty of BlazBlue and Guilty Gear. If that's the case, then it will be easy for Arcs to lessen without destroying that gap. In London, we have loads of people that want to pick up Guilty Gear. In fact, I'm doing it myself right now. But many of us don't follow through because the game is too inaccessible. I and some others are picking it up because there are experienced players there to help us. But most people won't have that, and so having the drive to do well will be rare. There's nothing wrong with making the game seem possible to be good at for a beginner, without having to reduce it to BlazBlue's level. Edited March 29, 2011 by LordSpectreX
Sol.Badguy Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 "bitch bitch bitch" Blazblue rocks, Guilty Gear rocks even more I'm excited for the new game whenever it comes out or whatever it is.
Honnou Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 new gg games will definitely come out after more bb is settled, they're not dropping their series yo, but who knows in what form?. If you think about the interview as an EXPLANATION for why GG isn't getting much attention, it makes much more sense.
HeatEXTEND Posted April 5, 2011 Posted April 5, 2011 ....Guys, it's great to have hope, but GG is just dead. There will never be any new gg, only blahblu2 -_- That's the spirit.... or wait.....no.....actualy it's not.
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