[CS2] Platinum the General #2: Now with 100% more mahou shoujos!

[LunaKage]

I thought they were trying to get rid of DPs that lead to combos?

Now they are nerfing Noel's "Reversal" combos and buffing everyone elses? Sounds fair.

[soujiro seta]

I thought they were trying to get rid of DPs that lead to combos?

Now they are nerfing Noel's "Reversal" combos and buffing everyone elses? Sounds fair.

The difference here is that plat's bat can be baited and punished. Also, she can only combo off it in the corner. Hitting your opponent with the bat is merely a poke midscreen to return things to neutral. She also only has 3 bats in 1 stock. Add that to the fact that having bat equipped means you're sacrificing your other items to give your opponent something to think about on defense.

Noel's can reversal you midscreen for 5K, no corner needed. She can do it anytime she wants, for free. It becomes a guessing game when playing noel as plat, or any character for that matter. Her D mashing - optic barrel ender cannot be punished by majority of the cast, so it's safe. The risk reward for mashing as noel is...you already know.

That's why in the current test you can't cancel D mash into specials, so no more optic barrel enders. If mash on wakeup and it's blocked, you will be punished, just like plats who mash bat all the time.

Edited August 12, 2011 by soujiro seta

[LunaKage]

I stopped reading when you said "Baited and punished" because you're implying Noel's drives can't, and if that is what you think, I'm not gonna try to have an intelligent conversation.

[soujiro seta]

I stopped reading when you said "Baited and punished" because you're implying Noel's drives can't, and if that is what you think, I'm not gonna try to have an intelligent conversation.

Lol, anything can be baited an punished, but why do you think I said the risk-reward for D mashing? I know she's your main and all, but that doesn't mean you have to be delusional and disregard how effective D mashing is.

I'm not talking about noels who mash D all the time on wake up. lol, my sister who doesn't know how to play games can beat them. Lets not exaggerate her Luna, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Random noel mashing during pressure strings is retarded. It doesn't even feel like you're playing BB when you play Noel cause you have to toss a lot of your usual stuff out the window in fear of random D mashing.

If a ragna is randomly mashing DP midscreen/corner I have nothing to fear. Lol, 1k miscreen, 2.4k corner. If I block his DP, he better have 50 heat. Noel on the other hand, 5K METERLESS ANYWHERE. If I block 2D, well, D mash - optic barrel------safe. That's retarded.

Edited August 12, 2011 by soujiro seta

[LunaKage]

Exactly, which is why you have to PLAY SMART when you fight Noel, not just autopilot the same dumb shit, Noel punishes dumb shit, and she punishes it HARD, however even then, it still doesn't even work 50% of the time, if you aren't punishing drive on ACCIDENT at least half the time, you're not staggering right.

Oh well, back to the days where Noel wasn't a threat to autopilot rushdown, guess I won't be playing this dumb ass game for much longer.

[DSveno]

Lol, there's a very high chance that a lot of people are going to start playing her/Mu if they turn out good in CS2+. Which is funny cause after the first week of plat's release I thought I was the only one left that played her.

I still see plenty Plat out there.

But wow, the amount of salty tears is starting to flood this thread.

[soujiro seta]

Exactly, which is why you have to PLAY SMART when you fight Noel, not just autopilot the same dumb shit, Noel punishes dumb shit, and she punishes it HARD, however even then, it still doesn't even work 50% of the time, if you aren't punishing drive on ACCIDENT at least half the time, you're not staggering right.

Oh well, back to the days where Noel wasn't a threat to autopilot rushdown, guess I won't be playing this dumb ass game for much longer.

Play smart when you play noel cause she punishes it hard? Lol the same can be said about Makoto, jin, and hazama. 3 other characters that are just as retarded. Plat can also punish hard, except unlike the A/S tier characters, she needs the corner, and right hitconfirms to deal any kind of threatening damage. In some cases the right item as well depending on the hitconfirm. You definitely won't be seeing random reversals into 5k anywhere on the screen from plat that's for sure.

Why should other characters have to play smart while noel can get away with stupid $#!t like randomly mashing, which cannot be punished by most characters, into stupid damage anywhere on screen? Are you even listening to what you are saying? It reminds me of when bangs were saying 5A on wakeup/during strings to 3k wasn't too much.

Lol, what I like to call top tier laziness has gotten to you. Don't worry, if noel is nerfed right it'll only make you better. You won't be able to get away with dumb stuff like before. Noels will learn to block, like everyone else, and when their reversal is baited and blocked they'll get punished like everyone else.

If you never relied on noel's herp derp in the first place then you'll be fine, assuming she isn't tager tier. So I don't see why you're complaining, unless ofcourse you got too comfortable with how good she is and you rely solely on her strength rather than skill to win.

I'm done with this conversation. It's obvious you're feeling sad about the direction they're taking with her, and you're looking for a place to vent. Unfortunately the magica boards is not the place.

Edited August 12, 2011 by soujiro seta

[LunaKage]

Top tier laziness eh? You're mistaken, I don't give a fuck what they do to drives, I don't even want them, but they're just nerfing her, not making her normals better to compensate, just nerfs, hell they've even nerfed her 6A, which was like her only really good normal, so yeah, I'm pissed, making my character weaker in the area that needed to be weakend is fine, but completely destroying her chances of doing anything is not.

Let me ask you, without drive starters, how "easy" do you think her confirms are? I'll give you a hint, they're not, at all, the people like me who actually use her normals have it rough because if we want to do any damage we have to throw out an unsafe string of normals for optimal damage, but if the first hit doesn't CH we get punished, or we can swallow our pride and use drives for an easy 4.8k standing or 3.7k crouching.

This is what I'm mad about, to restate: I don't give a fuck about drives, not a single fuck, but they aren't even trying to FIX my character, they just want to see her die. Also, back when I played Plat, her hitconfirms were the easiest I've ever had to deal with, I almost switched her to Sub status but I didn't like her items at all.

[soujiro seta]

Top tier laziness eh? You're mistaken, I don't give a fuck what they do to drives, I don't even want them, but they're just nerfing her, not making her normals better to compensate, just nerfs, hell they've even nerfed her 6A, which was like her only really good normal, so yeah, I'm pissed, making my character weaker in the area that needed to be weakend is fine, but completely destroying her chances of doing anything is not.

Let me ask you, without drive starters, how "easy" do you think her confirms are? I'll give you a hint, they're not, at all, the people like me who actually use her normals have it rough because if we want to do any damage we have to throw out an unsafe string of normals for optimal damage, but if the first hit doesn't CH we get punished, or we can swallow our pride and use drives for an easy 4.8k standing or 3.7k crouching.

This is what I'm mad about, to restate: I don't give a fuck about drives, not a single fuck, but they aren't even trying to FIX my character, they just want to see her die. Also, back when I played Plat, her hitconfirms were the easiest I've ever had to deal with, I almost switched her to Sub status but I didn't like her items at all.

Nothing is final. We'll have to wait and see how everything turns out when it launches. For all we know noel might still be top tier.

[SoWL]

I'll try to ignore the Noel argument in a Plat thread and just say that I like that they're making the more useless items more viable, especially their SUGOI versions. Was there ever any reason to promote the Bat? Now there is, and it's damn awesome! I'm getting ready to get even more hate from my playgroup, heh.

[soujiro seta]

I'll try to ignore the Noel argument in a Plat thread and just say that I like that they're making the more useless items more viable, especially their SUGOI versions. Was there ever any reason to promote the Bat? Now there is, and it's damn awesome! I'm getting ready to get even more hate from my playgroup, heh.

This is what I like too. Esp Cat hammer. It didn't really do much. If that change stays you won't want to get CH. I've gotten so many CHs and every time I go "Sigh only if we could combo afterwards". This will make lion head even more threatening to zoners. It covers like 3/4 the screen, lol. So lazer/lobelia/sword spamming can be punished from almost a full screen away. It depends on high how they bounce though.

IAD hammer crossup is going to be even more deadly now. No heat required.

I really hope they stick though. She could potentially be deadly.

[A.X.I.S.]

I promote the bat on arakune and rushdown.

Edit: Listen you two...your both right and wrong at the same time and your approaching it in such a confrontational manner.

Edited August 12, 2011 by A.X.I.S.

[Yggjrasil]

the none japanese makotos who can do makoto full combos with 15% drop rate are like only 4 or 5 players, while every noel can confirm the same combo for every hit and its pretty easy to do not to mention for early to mid level players noel is SSSSSSSSS tier and she still the 2nd best character in high level matchs.

makoto was hated long time ago but now the hate is unbearable after the new tier list ( ´ω｀)

all characters can be annoying depending on who is playing them so not all Mu players are hardcore campers but the only character that can never be annoying is makoto(if you are a high level japanese player then you will find makoto's lockdown game pretty annoying(´･ω･｀))

as for plat i cant say anything until the loketests are finished but from what i can see now she is gonna be awesome (combos after CH cat bat should be added long time ago)

WTF DID I JUST READ?

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[Cirno]

oh god oh god excaliborg

if bat stayed 100p1 this is really, really too good

[Cirno]

oops internetcrash doublepost

heres somethin slightly related: http://i.imgur.com/Xwt0d.jpg

Edited August 12, 2011 by Cirno

[SolarMisae]

Omg excaliborg is possibly gonna be useful? It's gonna be worth loli-installing the bat? Combos off reversals I love it. =w=;

[destruction_adv]

Ya know, I beat a friend out of this character and into Noel a week ago with my Bang. Looks like he'll be back. Stay gdlk actual Platinum mains.

Granted Bang got buffs too, so he might still not comeback.

[YukiBlue]

Subbing Platinum. 200 Plays and I had the basics, But the Hype on my 2 favorite characters is too much. (I feel like a Solarmisae clone.. ) I'm going to scream "Piru Piru Pipiru Pi!" down the Mic after every hit with Excaliborg.

And enough of the arguing, It's pointless, live with the changes. And it's the first Loketest, Shit hits the fan when the Portable version lands.

[MashThat5A]

What's up Plat boards? Just stopping by to show off my new avy. =w=

Okay, back to the Ragna boards.

[SolarMisae]

Subbing Platinum. 200 Plays and I had the basics, But the Hype on my 2 favorite characters is too much. (I feel like a Solarmisae clone.. ) I'm going to scream "Piru Piru Pipiru Pi!" down the Mic after every hit with Excaliborg.

And enough of the arguing, It's pointless, live with the changes. And it's the first Loketest, Shit hits the fan when the Portable version lands.

WE ARE TWINS. <3

[Cirno]

@ mashthat5a: oh hey it's the plat otakon cosplayer aka an irl friend of an irl friend of mine.

if plat's s-tier i'm gonna totally not give a fuck and continue my reign of sugoi throughout the world, no one will match my might in Anime

[Chaoschao222]

What's up Plat boards? Just stopping by to show off my new avy. =w=

Okay, back to the Ragna boards.

I liked your old avi better.

Okay, back to... oh...

[suna19]

@ mashthat5a: oh hey it's the plat otakon cosplayer aka an irl friend of an irl friend of mine.

if plat's s-tier i'm gonna totally not give a fuck and continue my reign of sugoi throughout the world, no one will match my might in Anime

i should totally rip on you about how sugoi is not a noun and it should be either "sugoi reign" or "reign of sugosa" but that would feel confrontational

if Plat goes S-tier, so be it. I just liked the way she played when i first randomly tried her a few months ago

[Pyanchar]

So what good is pan gonna be if hammer now can do everything it used to do with likely more damage?

[A.X.I.S.]

Pan still has instant overhead and its great for the corner push mid-screen.

Also Seconded on Cirno's reign of sugoi.

I will begin my reign of sugoi science and it will be delicious magical science.