A call to arms for the hardcore BB and GG players

[McArthur]

http://shoryuken.com/2011/08/02/huge-marvel-vs-capcom-3-video-roundup/

See how this page looks like?

Basically take a bunch of new vids from different people and send them all together as a "BB community weekly update" of sort.

yes..... this please....

not that im being repetitive, but i would like to add and stress out about showing Vids (matchVid or tutorialVid or interview or podcast) of other countries as well, for example Singapore. of course all states/cities in the US as well

[SansProtocol]

I'll help.

Actually, I'm really keen on starting a BB centric webshow pretty soon, I just need to finish up the sound tests, shave, become cured of Evola and I'll be ready to start producing. My idea is to make a Day9 type show about BB (and fighting games in general) to create a framework for thinking and learning about the game from point 0.

To meet that end, the first X (maybe 5-10) episodes will be pre-recorded and will be edited heavily to make sure none of the bases are missed. These episodes will be extremely beyond basic and might not appeal to anyone in this thread, but I feel like it's a necessary component for anyone either starting fighting games, lacks fundamentals, or has never played BlazBlue specifically. For example, these episodes would be about things like "What is number notation?" or "How do I move around?"

From there, if I can manage to keep it going or people stay interested, I would like to shift to a live broadcast format, where I'll start talking about more specific things. These episodes would be more free flowing as live shows, and would have topics like "How do I use my movement to be in the right place at the right time?" or "I HATE NOEL".

Good idea? Overdone? Ripping off Starcraft too much? TRY AND STOP ME.

• I think the idea of the first few episodes is a great starting point. I would keep the first very basic episodes short and simple, while continually transitioning to the format you are going to use for the show. I would publish the basic pre-recorded shows all at one time and have the first live show a bit afterwards, giving viewers enough time to see if they would be interested and comfortable with the format.
  
  
• The live shows should allow the people to talk and discuss things at a comfortable length without feeling too long. One thing I dislike about podcast or web shows is the fact that people will go off on a random tangent without having a certain point or intelligent input.
  
  
• Make sure to save the recording to be uploaded onto YouTube for those who were busy during the live show. It'll allow people to watch videos multiple times if a concept that was discussed is a bit difficult to understand the first time around. Also, people can subscribe and have it brought to their attention that a new show was recorded and posted. Lastly, you can use that medium to post "Hey, we're going Live in X" or "Hey, Show's on Saturday at 7 PM PST" videos to encourage live viewing.
  

Overall, that sounds excellent and I don't know how I would help (other than spreading the word) but the invitation's out there.

[Linear04]

I'll help.

Actually, I'm really keen on starting a BB centric webshow pretty soon, I just need to finish up the sound tests, shave, become cured of Evola and I'll be ready to start producing. My idea is to make a Day9 type show about BB (and fighting games in general) to create a framework for thinking and learning about the game from point 0.

To meet that end, the first X (maybe 5-10) episodes will be pre-recorded and will be edited heavily to make sure none of the bases are missed. These episodes will be extremely beyond basic and might not appeal to anyone in this thread, but I feel like it's a necessary component for anyone either starting fighting games, lacks fundamentals, or has never played BlazBlue specifically. For example, these episodes would be about things like "What is number notation?" or "How do I move around?"

From there, if I can manage to keep it going or people stay interested, I would like to shift to a live broadcast format, where I'll start talking about more specific things. These episodes would be more free flowing as live shows, and would have topics like "How do I use my movement to be in the right place at the right time?" or "I HATE NOEL".

Good idea? Overdone? Ripping off Starcraft too much? TRY AND STOP ME.

Xie... Xailies? sounds good lol

[pikdum]

Guilty Gear/Blazblue gets treated like Fighting Game's bastard child. Maybe SRK's bastard child, idk.

There is a buttload of content throughout our forums that could be posted up on the main page. I don't know who is allowed to post content/news/whatever on the front page, nor do I know if my opinion will even be taken in consideration but here it is: The front page useless in it's current state... There is plenty of CS2+ information flowing as this thread grows... Why isn't any of it on the front page right now? SRK already has a post on the main page with some Relius footage and such. Why doesn't Dustloop, the goto website for GG/BB, have this content on the main page? How is anyone going to know any of this information even exists if they don't read the general gameplay thread to begin with?

The route I took to find this content is as follows:

I went to DL>visited my character sub forum>read some posts in the general thread>saw someone elude to mechanic changes in CS2+ > looked in blazblue gameplay section for a thread (because I mean, mechanic changes = gameplay right?) it wasn't there> checked general and found the thread.

While this might not seem like such a big deal, my point is, I had to jump through hoops to get to content that could have been a news article on the main page.

I guess what I'm trying to say is SRK is great and everything, but it's not where I get my BB fix. I know that DL is the website to go to. Rather than trying to fix SRK we should focus on DL.

[McArthur]

There is plenty of CS2+ information flowing as this thread grows... Why isn't any of it on the front page right now? SRK already has a post on the main page with some Relius footage and such. Why doesn't Dustloop, the goto website for GG/BB, have this content on the main page? How is anyone going to know any of this information even exists if they don't read the general gameplay thread to begin with?

^ +1000

[SansProtocol]

It's the first loketest of an update that is not anywhere close to being released on console. Almost none of the people that will/have read it will be affected by CS2+ anytime soon. These changes are not at all final and it would only cause an unnecessary shitstorm.

[McArthur]

i think one point is, for at least people both vets and beginners will know that such testing is taking place. And not just BBCS 2.5/3 news but i think the imprtant part is that the front page needs more "juice"

[shtkn]

it's been added. yeah, it should have gone up earlier, sorry.

[pikdum]

I agree with you that most of the changes could irrelevant by the end of the loketest, I still feel that that is Blaz news and should be hyped on the main page of our website. There plenty of CMVs, tutorials, silly videos, that could be posted on the front page that already exists. I may never seek out and watch an Arakune CMV on my own. If it's on the main page and it's there, I'll probably give it a look. I might join in on some discussion about his gameplay, I might pop in and gripe about bugs, I might learn a thing or two about a character I normally wouldn't pay much attention to. Even if some of the content is filler, it's better than no content at all. If something becomes a shitstorm, that's why we have mods right?

it's been added. yeah, it should have gone up earlier, sorry.

It's all good man. We're all busy with real life, my real point was there is a lot of great content that you have to dig for, it should be someone's job to find it and throw it up on the front page and spark some discussion.

Edited August 12, 2011 by pikdum

[worldjem7]

On the topic of good commentating, I think these videos have pretty decent commentating. They give good insight on what's going on, albeit not all the time, but it's still entertaining as well as informative.

These are taken from a recent Toronto tournament.

TOP 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqBsDEOy8_4

Losers Finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLGPCthzXuE

Winners Finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unPg3jJTTrs

Grand Finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuGqHqSOKXc

Edited August 16, 2011 by worldjem7

[Airk]

By what standard does spending most of the matches complaining about how Noel/Tager/whatever is "Bull****" qualify as good commentary? This actually seems incredibly typical of what's WRONG with a lot of BB commentary - a perfectly intelligent Magna Tech Wheel gets written off as "mashing" and using a 360A to beat a dash in 5A is called "churning butter"? C'mon, seriously. Respect your players, respect the game, or keep your mouth shut, if you ask me.

Which I suppose you didn't, but seriously. If you don't like this game, STOP PLAYING IT. You've done your part to support ASW by buying it, and it would be nice if, honestly, you'd just go play something you enjoy instead of hanging out in the BlazBlue scene and telling us all how much the game sucks. SF4 and Marvel aren't godlike games either, but their communities don't spend all their time talking about how much better things were in Super Turbo/MvC2. Depressing.

If the BB community is ever going to grow, it's going to be because the people who don't like the game go do something they enjoy instead.

Edited August 13, 2011 by Airk

[Nakkiel]

SF4 and Marvel aren't godlike games either, but their communities don't spend all their time talking about how much better things were in Super Turbo/MvC2. Depressing.

uhhhhh

[Osuna]

Oh wow, Airk just lost 10 points. He was doing so well too, talking about that misguided tager bashing.

So is this thread's discussion pretty much done? Several projects aimed at producing content seem to be in the works and it's plausible one or two might make it on the SRK front page often. Most people have agreed to disagree over how much we're likely to get out of it too.

[ZeroRaider]

uhhhhh

+1

[Airk]

uhhhhh

Okay, not in the COMMENTARY, okay? :P I know they whine about it on the forums, but I seriously don't see as much of it as I do here, where I swear like 1 post in 10 is some GG player telling us all how much BB sucks.

[Star-Demon]

uhhhhh

Ummmm...

[PSOInvictus]

They whine about it indirectly quite a bit. In fact all the time

[haketh]

Okay, not in the COMMENTARY, okay? :P I know they whine about it on the forums, but I seriously don't see as much of it as I do here, where I swear like 1 post in 10 is some GG player telling us all how much BB sucks.

Have you like, never watched the Break, Arcadia, SRB, or like any Ranbat or tournament that doesn't have Chen or Ultra David on commentary?

[Airk]

Have you like, never watched the Break, Arcadia, SRB, or like any Ranbat or tournament that doesn't have Chen or Ultra David on commentary?

Okay, maybe I'm wrong. I was mostly comparing the Evo commentary for BB:CS to SF4:AE and MvC3. I don't tend to watch many tournaments for other games, because they don't interest me very much, so my sample size is small.

Still, the fact remains that we abused our own game and our own players in EVO commentary. It's like telling everyone how much you hate your country in the World Cup. It's just embarassing. =/

[worldjem7]

By what standard does spending most of the matches complaining about how Noel/Tager/whatever is "Bull****" qualify as good commentary? This actually seems incredibly typical of what's WRONG with a lot of BB commentary - a perfectly intelligent Magna Tech Wheel gets written off as "mashing" and using a 360A to beat a dash in 5A is called "churning butter"? C'mon, seriously. Respect your players, respect the game, or keep your mouth shut, if you ask me.

Which I suppose you didn't, but seriously. If you don't like this game, STOP PLAYING IT. You've done your part to support ASW by buying it, and it would be nice if, honestly, you'd just go play something you enjoy instead of hanging out in the BlazBlue scene and telling us all how much the game sucks. SF4 and Marvel aren't godlike games either, but their communities don't spend all their time talking about how much better things were in Super Turbo/MvC2. Depressing.

If the BB community is ever going to grow, it's going to be because the people who don't like the game go do something they enjoy instead.

If you're talking to me, your comments are misplaced because I wasn't at that tournament, nor was I the one commentating. I just thought it was good that they mentioned helpful information outside of what's happening in the game.

[Lord Knight]

By what standard does spending most of the matches complaining about how Noel/Tager/whatever is "Bull****" qualify as good commentary? This actually seems incredibly typical of what's WRONG with a lot of BB commentary - a perfectly intelligent Magna Tech Wheel gets written off as "mashing" and using a 360A to beat a dash in 5A is called "churning butter"? C'mon, seriously. Respect your players, respect the game, or keep your mouth shut, if you ask me.

Which I suppose you didn't, but seriously. If you don't like this game, STOP PLAYING IT. You've done your part to support ASW by buying it, and it would be nice if, honestly, you'd just go play something you enjoy instead of hanging out in the BlazBlue scene and telling us all how much the game sucks. SF4 and Marvel aren't godlike games either, but their communities don't spend all their time talking about how much better things were in Super Turbo/MvC2. Depressing.

If the BB community is ever going to grow, it's going to be because the people who don't like the game go do something they enjoy instead.

at this point that stuff is kinda meme status

i say some of that stuff and i like the game a lot

[Dacidbro]

at this point that stuff is kinda meme status

i say some of that stuff and i like the game a lot

I can see what he's saying though, it's a dangerous meme. Similar to most people thinking you can win SSF4AE simply for mashing on Yun and praying, if people have the misconception that the entirity of BB is outright determined by character strength or blind mashing wins matches, we can send the wrong message.

Obviously the viewers should be better informed than that, but they rarely are.

[CakeWasBannedd]

if you want an example of good informative commentary, just get qwerty to commentate and emulate him

[Roldy]

IMO, a lot of the commentary is not serious. Of course, people outside the scene probably wouldn't realize that, making them believe this is what the BB community truly is.

At least here in Toronto, a lot of us appear to hate on BB (and GG) all the time, but we really like these games. There's just a bit of bullshit that needs to be fixed.

Edit: Yo gtfo Linear, Toronto doesn't need a troll like you >_<

Edited August 16, 2011 by Roldy

[Linear04]

i hate on bb all the time and i still dont like this game

if you want better commentary play a better game