[CSE] Makoto Nanaya Changes Discussion Thread

[milesw]

To anyone with a EX copy, can someone try the BBS combos starting off of:

anti air 6A CH > 66 5A > 6A > BBS

anti air 5B CH >66 5A > 6A > BBS

2D(3) Fatal > 66 5A > 6A > BBS

and tell how much you get or if they even seem worth it?

Oh and one really awkward set up:

6C CH > 214A~A > 66 5AAA (for height adjusting) > 6A > BBS

Only attempted the first one for now

But I felt doing AA CH 6a>5B>6A would be better

the full combo i did off of it was..

AA CH 6A>5B>6A>BBS(lv3)>66 5D>214A~C~B>5CC>j.B>j.c>j.D>2C>236A~D(lv3)>5CC>j.B>j.c>j.B>623C~D(lv3)

which came up to 3886 dmg

I'll put up a video soonish~

[OmniSScythe]

Wasn't sure if CH 6A > 5B > 6A would work with BBS recovery but good to know. Either way getting near 4k off 6A sounds really good, getting more off with CH AA 5B would be grand.

Any videos of this one? Doesn't seem to work from what I tried, can't BBS of either A AA or AAA (didn't try on every single char of the roster)

As for the other combos on top, they are way more fancy than they look like in a CMV, once I manage a full combo out of them I'll give you news.

I tested this on Valk so it might be more fickle on others, but the general ideal was to either get BBS to land while the opponent is either behind her or getting it to hit with the latest possible time which is what the idea behind 66 5AA was for since it makes BBS whiff then lands as the opponent descends.

[Bibiquadium]

It may be better to do a CH 6A 2D, might come out with better damage meter less.

Just doing 6A 2D 2C 214A D PF is 3.6k but you can also use 6A 2D 2C 214B j.B j.D corner carry

And from a 6C CH you can 6C 214A~C~D PF for 4k

[OmniSScythe]

The thing is with those is that you lose out on a ton of meter, and using PF(3) at anytime when it's not going to kill is dangerous.

Of course if it is going to kill then keep it simple.

[milesw]

My verdict on these combos?

Impractical. How far away you are is really dependent on what kind of wall bounce you get. And the 6A needs to be cancelled/hit at the PEAK in order to succesfully get the wall bounce.

C=corner

M= directly midscreen of the stage

'---' = the range from the corner afaik the BBS setup works from

C__________M__________C

C__________M__'---'_____C

So this means the 6A>BBS will only confirm within the region above. If its too far outside the region it wont wall bound.

If its too close to the corner it will wall bound but Makoto's recovery from the BBS so close to the corner means she wont have enough time to capitalize off of the wall bound and dash 5D/5D at all.

[OmniSScythe]

Impractical huh? Sounds like my kind of combo! (I'm stubborn when it comes to these kind of things)

But thanks for writing out the details on it, I see if there's anything I can find if I get to mess around with it this Wednesday.

[milesw]

lololol

Cool.

I was just hoping it'd be some CS2 6C>PF>etc business.

Too bad it aint :I

It isnt easy to pull off-

[Bibiquadium]

For all the set up that is needed and the damage overall, I wouldn't go with BBS, I highly recommend using something simpler than can lead into more practical stuff.

Edited December 27, 2011 by Bibiquadium

[milesw]

Only attempted the first one for now

But I felt doing AA CH 6a>5B>6A would be better

the full combo i did off of it was..

AA CH 6A>5B>6A>BBS(lv3)>66 5D>214A~C~B>5CC>j.B>j.c>j.D>2C>236A~D(lv3)>5CC>j.B>j.c>j.B>623C~D(lv3)

which came up to 3886 dmg

I'll put up a video soonish~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aul16k3rv9I&feature=youtu.be

[GenoWhirl]

Shout outs to loli-camera quality *thumbs up*

What happens if you do 2D (3) > BBS?

[OmniSScythe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aul16k3rv9I&feature=youtu.be

I wonder if it's possible to do 5CC>2D(1)>5CC>j.B>j.c>j.D>2C>236A~D(lv3)>5CC>j.B >j.c>j.B>623C~D(lv3)

I'll try it out today.

[milesw]

I wonder if it's possible to do 5CC>2D(1)>5CC>j.B>j.c>j.D>2C>236A~D(lv3)>5CC>j.B >j.c>j.B>623C~D(lv3)

I'll try it out today.

from?

The corner 214A~C~B?

Edited December 28, 2011 by milesw

[StarGazer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXl0MGRnkUw

Our friend Kuroku in netplay (´∀｀) (´∀｀) (´∀｀) (´∀｀) (´∀｀) (´∀｀) (´∀｀)

[milesw]

Heh found Astral off of forward throw

b+c>214a~a>astral

works anywhere :p

And who said orb oki is dead?

Aslong as you do...

TK 623C~D(lv3)>land >236A

They wont be able to mash out. Except dragon ofc

Edited December 28, 2011 by milesw

[Bibiquadium]

Yeah tried to use the good old orb oki multiple times yesterday in many situation, and mostly worked all the time. Either because they are still afraid of it or because it still can be useful.

[milesw]

It either depends on how high the TK dp is done or how high the dunk is done.

But it definetly is unsafe(5a mashable) if you dont do the 623C~D correctly.

Im just thing of the highest damaging combo which ends in a decent oki....

Doing tk dp makes us lose out on like 200~300 damage i believe but so far it looks like the best thing to go for damage wise+oki

214A~C~A> orb is trash

Havent tried shooting star...

I assume 6B orb may still be effective but more damage will be lost if you end the combo that way...

[Bibiquadium]

I only used it on my wall combos, like for example :

6BC 5D 214A~C~B 5B 6A 2D j.D 66 236A 5D 6A 5D 214A~B 236A

[milesw]

damage?

[Bibiquadium]

3.5k and works on everyone

[HIGEKING42]

how much of a adv is it on block.

[StarGazer]

????

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16452639

BBS causes 3300? also wallbounces midscreen? blasphemy! Ohhhh, they say this happend because the Big Fist hit occured before Makoto Fist causing this weird effect. anyone care to test this out? Also they say 5B have now more recovery, can you guys tell me if its true? if its I will cry.

[StarGazer]

I have a lot of intresting stuffs

GoroMakoto

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpqlQ_kKPM Best Makoto player of all time, Actually one of the top 10 greatest BB players.

Anzu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VILGx_mnIuE

Frame Data

2B P1: 80 --> 75 (totally stupid nerf)

Particle Flare second punch P2: 100 --> 90

Big Bang Smash Projectile P2: 5 --> 92

j.2C P1: 80 --> 70 (seriously? whats wrong with all these j.2C nerfs? totally unnecessary)

Parry Proration still the same?

Mars Chopper P1: 75 --> 100 P2: 84 --> 89 (seems legit for the 50 heat waste)

Stargazer P1: 75 --> 80 P2: 92 --> 89

Lightning Arrow P1 still the same for both B and C versions, but the P2 for the C version got buffed P2: 60/72/64 --> 89/89/92 (YES, though we need CH to combo)

Lunatic Upper P1: 75 --> 80 the P2: still 89 which is great because we will otg with this move from now on, thats why they nerfed Stargazer P2 a little.

Community

Isa = Platinum

Keita = Ragna (He is doing better with Ragna than CS2 Makoto lol)

Satoshi = Ragna

Tsujikawa = Taokaka

Goro = Still Makoto like a boss

Yasuda = Planing on switching to Ragna

Combos

-5B > 5CC > 5D > 5B 6A > 2D > 2C 214AD > 5CC > JB > J.D > 2C > 214AD DMG:3857

(WORKS ONLY ON: Litchi, Ragna, Noel, Valkenhayn)

-B+C > 214AD > 5CC > 5D > 2D > 2C > 236AD > 5CC > J.B > J.D > 5CC > J.B > J.CB > 623CD DMG:3961

(WORKS ONLY ON: Ragna, Noel, Valkenhayn, Relius, Lambda, Hazama, Platinum, Litchi, Tager)

And once I get my BBEX copy I will try to list everything.

Edited December 31, 2011 by StarGazer

[Bibiquadium]

Looks like a lot of legit stuff to try once I'm done with celebrating.

[milesw]

2d(lv1) oki yeah?

[StarGazer]

hmmm... If you can't pick up Jin with 5CC or 5B6A to DP Oki, just 2D him.