[CSE] XBL Match Finder/GG Thread v2

[toanenadiz]

I would question why Mac would even use Hotaru on wake-up against Tager but then again, Mac wouldn't be Mac without Hotaru'ing whenever he feels like.

[Ctrlaltwtf]

tager too stronk

lol perfect 50/50 split

I would question why Mac would even use Hotaru on wake-up against Tager but then again, Mac wouldn't be Mac without Hotaru'ing whenever he feels like.

It's effective enough against 720 wakeup. Or anything else I try to do on wakeup apart from MTW. If I block it he still usually ends up being in control.

[mAc Chaos]

It's an extremely specific situation. He's using Hotaru on oki when i'm in the corner to try and counter my wakeup, but I use MTW, he Rapid Cancels and uses jD to counter MTW, I rapid cancel and grab him as he falls. Even though Zanshin activates, it still whiffs.

hop forward 2a2a2a 50+ heat Tager GOOD IDEA

I was trying to bait you into 720ing me so I could do the astral at the perfect moment, but then I realized I had 7 stars and not 8. WHOOPS

The Tager situation goes like this. It's pretty much what ctrl said but not quite.

First, I do Hotaru. Anything he does ~> nope fuck that. However, Magna Tech Wheel will beat Hotaru by itself since the super armor will eat the move and then you get hit out of the recovery. But if you time it right, Hotaru will clash with MTW, and once it clashes, you can cancel into j.D and then 6D to counter MTW and make him eat a combo. If he doesn't have 100 heat, that's it and he's done.

But if he does have 100 heat, he can rapid cancel out of MTW right when Hotaru clashes. For whatever reason there is enough invincibility in MTW that the first counter whiffs on Tager, so Tager can RC out and then you have a kind of fake mixup. I will be busy trying to counter what I think will be the rest of MTW, so I might hit 6D a split second after he RCs, leaving me a sitting duck. Or, we both are at neutral right after MTW and it turns into a "will he jump or 360" game.

[mAc Chaos]

Also GGs Ctrl. I love doing mixups on Tager. It's so dangerous but fun.

[toanenadiz]

Tager wake-up backdash would avoid a Hotaru and leave Tager at frame advantage if it was meaty. If it wasn't meaty, then Tager would be at even more of an advantage. And Mac rarely meaties his Hotaru so you could probably punish it if you backdash it.

[mAc Chaos]

It's not like I ALWAYS do it. I just do it when I sniff a 720 coming and the j.D clash covers my bases with MTW if he does that instead. I'm doing a whole bunch of other stuff while I'm at it.

Tager backdash is easy to punish in the corner. Just pause a moment and THEN Hotaru.

[mAc Chaos]

Oh yeah Toan I forgot you have a semi-Tager. Maybe it's about time we play using Tager.

I tend to get in Tager's face, so I think it throws a lot of Tager players off. Usually you just spend the whole match running away.

[TD]

there's so much yomi in here you can cut it with a knife. wtf

[Ctrlaltwtf]

there's so much yomi in here you can cut it with a knife. wtf

I think mAc and I have played over 200 1v1 matches so far, so it's not surprising. Sometimes I am using neutral tech, other times I am using backwards roll. I will look into backwards roll > backstep. Backwards roll > 2C beats hotaru as well lol.

I wonder if i could forward roll when you try to bait my roll with that 5a, and snag you >.>

Tager wake-up backdash would avoid a Hotaru and leave Tager at frame advantage if it was meaty. If it wasn't meaty, then Tager would be at even more of an advantage. And Mac rarely meaties his Hotaru so you could probably punish it if you backdash it.

In the situation he puts me in he usually grabs me on wake-up, so backstep "isn't an option" if you know what I mean. It's pretty much an endless mix-up game.

[mAc Chaos]

I wonder if i could forward roll when you try to bait my roll with that 5a, and snag you >.>

Nah, it was meant to catch forward rolls originally. Forward roll will get you killed every time. At least backwards roll can dodge some moves.

Also backdash would work against throws. But that's just another part of the mixup.

there's so much yomi in here you can cut it with a knife. wtf

You are now entering mAc country.

Edited February 14, 2013 by mAc Chaos

[toanenadiz]

Oh yeah Toan I forgot you have a semi-Tager. Maybe it's about time we play using Tager.

I tend to get in Tager's face, so I think it throws a lot of Tager players off. Usually you just spend the whole match running away.

My Tager is PSN only. Sorry.

In the situation he puts me in he usually grabs me on wake-up, so backstep "isn't an option" if you know what I mean. It's pretty much an endless mix-up game.

Backdash doesn't lose to throw and he can't punish you if you make his throw whiff by backdashing.

[mAc Chaos]

in b4 toan never plays on 360 again

[toanenadiz]

That is likely. When was the last time I played on XBL?

[Ctrlaltwtf]

I can't count how many times I've been grabbed on neutral wake-up when trying to backdash, are you sure about that? Obviously if he does it late it'll whiff but a meaty grab should still get you.

[toanenadiz]

You messed up. It happens a lot if you don't time your backdash right. All backdashes are invincible from frame 1, excluding Hakumen's.

Edited February 14, 2013 by toanenadiz

[mAc Chaos]

That is likely. When was the last time I played on XBL?

smh

[toanenadiz]

There are other Lambda to fight on XBL

[E3vE3 WAZ HEA]

Yo Eevee, I just learned that CaButler has crossed over to P4A, so you'd have to trek over to the dark side to receive his salty fries

but......but i don't own p4u for the 360 >.> damn the dream will never come true ;_;

[Haven]

Oh yeah Toan I forgot you have a semi-Tager. Maybe it's about time we play using Tager.

T-Toan's got a Tager guys? He's got a Tager?

GGs to Leonil dodging on netplay, Owner, Ren/Pomesama for being free in Happy Wars and being my psr inferior, and single awareness day for 99% of the community.

Happy Valentine's Day!

[gli]

Thinking of hopping on XBL sometime later today or now. Anyone want to mash with Rachel / Tager / Ragna? I am a casual ☆彡

[Airk]

First, I do Hotaru. Anything he does ~> nope fuck that. However, Magna Tech Wheel will beat Hotaru by itself since the super armor will eat the move and then you get hit out of the recovery. But if you time it right, Hotaru will clash with MTW, and once it clashes, you can cancel into j.D and then 6D to counter MTW and make him eat a combo. If he doesn't have 100 heat, that's it and he's done.

But if he does have 100 heat, he can rapid cancel out of MTW right when Hotaru clashes. For whatever reason there is enough invincibility in MTW that the first counter whiffs on Tager, so Tager can RC out and then you have a kind of fake mixup. I will be busy trying to counter what I think will be the rest of MTW, so I might hit 6D a split second after he RCs, leaving me a sitting duck. Or, we both are at neutral right after MTW and it turns into a "will he jump or 360" game.

This is super weird; Why does he need to rapid? Isn't one of the properties of a clash that you can cancel into WTFEver afterwards? It also kinda makes no sense that the counter whiffs if he RCs immediately, since he should be back at neutral and no longer invulnerable. @_@ Or are you saying that you clash-cancel into counter, but he keeps going with MTW to avoid the counter, and THEN RCs?

[mAc Chaos]

There are other Lambda to fight on XBL

But I like fighting you. Who will I have gold burst shenanigans with now.

This is super weird; Why does he need to rapid? Isn't one of the properties of a clash that you can cancel into WTFEver afterwards? It also kinda makes no sense that the counter whiffs if he RCs immediately, since he should be back at neutral and no longer invulnerable. @_@ Or are you saying that you clash-cancel into counter, but he keeps going with MTW to avoid the counter, and THEN RCs?

MTW keeps going, you can't cancel out of it. Only Hotaru. You only rapid after the first counter.

[toanenadiz]

But I like fighting you. Who will I have gold burst shenanigans with now.

I can't be the only person who does stuff like IAD gold burst at the start of the round. You just haven't found others since you are playing people you know.

[mAc Chaos]

It's okay. I can't blame you for bailing out and abandoning ship with CP's 360 status looking questionable. Go back to your PSN hellscape and leave us to the fishes.

[toanenadiz]

CP isn't coming out on 360? I was just not playing on 360 because it takes a lot of work to try playing a controller I'm not used to.