[CSE] PSN Match Finder/GG Thread

[Siefer]

GGs cookiehour and batousaij.

[cookiehours]

GGs cookiehour and batousaij.

Yeah, really good games. That connection was near godlike. I was pleased. No complaints at all.

GGs to LightningRei. I'll be waiting for ya Tuesday.

[Mucky]

I think you guys should use 6A against Toan more after GF. Every time Mucky GF'd him last time, Toan would backdash out. 6A would catch jumpouts too, along with non-low moves.

6A does not work on lambda/mu backdash

[Hellknight10]

6A does not work on lambda/mu backdash

try GF > GF whiff lol

[mAc Chaos]

6A does not work on lambda/mu backdash

Really? I swear I've gotten them with it before.

[Moy_X7]

Lies. I want what you guys are smoking and I don't even smoke.

She doesn't really need to approach by air. She can use missiles and I guess bombs to help with that. All she really is worried about is ID (Big surprise). Get him into the corner and make him guess whether or not to DP with bubble oki. Her neutral seems alrite to me, so I don't see the problem.

Missiles and Bombs are situational and the latter can get you hurt if you hurl a bomb in the incorrect direction; they're somewhat like Lamb's swords in that aspect.

lol no, she's worried about 5B, j.C, and 6A more than ID. Not only do I have to space 5B pretty well so that I don't get kicked in the face but a whiffed 5B means a 5B of your own in my face. If I'm not spot on with my 5Bs and 2Bs then I get hurt, specially with the latter as I'm left in a crouching state. This is why approaching from the air is an option I must bet on and your 6A can shut that down pretty well. My j.C gets an extended hurt-box on the last few active frames so I'll get tagged by 6A even when I do j.C at max range. I can't do air to air with Ragna because none of Plat's normals hit above her in the air, I have to try and AA you with my slow ass 6A that can be easily baited with a double jump or a Berial Edge. Most of the time I have to just block the j.C because 6A has an awkward hit-box and 2C is hella punishable.

@HK - meh, if I guess the Heart Car incorrectly then I eat a 6D or get punished heavily if you block it. That thing is not worth using unless you're close to the corner where I can get something out of it.

[cookiehours]

I cannot believe I tried Hazama for one match. -facepalm-

[A.X.I.S.]

6A does not work on lambda/mu backdash

If you charge it a bit it does.

I use 6C on her backdash since they look like they are scrubs when hit by it.

[toanenadiz]

@HK - meh, if I guess the Heart Car incorrectly then I eat a 6D or get punished heavily if you block it. That thing is not worth using unless you're close to the corner where I can get something out of it.

It's the psychological effect though Moy. If you show that you will throw out Heart Cars, then Lambda can't just throw swords all day in heart car range, which should make it easier for you to get in.

If you charge it a bit it does.

I use 6C on her backdash since they look like they are scrubs when hit by it.

I hate that move. It is actually slower than her backdash so you know they called you out on backdashing.

Edited May 13, 2012 by toanenadiz

[Akira-Shiro]

Congrats PSN for successfully dodging one whole day of getting bodied

[cookiehours]

Congrats PSN for successfully dodging one whole day of getting bodied

>_> Was in a room. I will gladly sacrifice my Mu next time.

[Dont_Explain]

If you know 5B is good then why compete with it? Be smart and avoid it altogether, or abuse the fact they want to 5B and neutral jump/jumpback and j.C

If I hit you out of 2B from afar (where you should be doing it) I can't do 6C cause the second hit would whiff, so the crouching state doesn't matter. And whiffing 5B with Ragna does the same for me as it does for you. Bait it.

if he double jumps a lot then airgrab him. Belial Edge you'll just have to hold that shit cause it's not that rewarding and if we miss cause you backdash or something we are in CH state for awhile.

You guys are making this seem impossible. Just be smart.

[Moy_X7]

It's the psychological effect though Moy. If you show that you will throw out Heart Cars, then Lambda can't just throw swords all day in heart car range, which should make it easier for you to get in.

Thing is that you actually CAN throw swords at Heart Car range, they just have to be 2D or 6D. So I have to make a good read and the risk-reward is nowhere near in my favor since I know that Lambda can get a shitload of damage and saw oki from an AA sword. So no, I'm not using that thing unless you're in the corner where I can make the damage count.

What I do need to start using more often is the pogo stick to go through them. I've used it against Spike Chaser with a LOT of success, I just need to start using it against swords now.

[mAc Chaos]

I think you can get way more damage off Heart Car than a sword. Sword just gives you about 3k.

[Hellknight10]

the thing is Moy, is that by using Heart Car you'll cause the Lambda to guess as well

your risk and rewards are the same for Lambda if she hit you with the sword or if she got hit by the Heart Car (even worse for Lambda IMO due to the corner carry from a CH Heart Car)

so by showing the Lambda player that you can Heart Car then he/she will have to guess as much as you

but if you don't then you'll be the only one guessing thus giving Lambda a bit of an edge

conditioning my friend, do it to them before they do it to you

[toanenadiz]

Thing is that you actually CAN throw swords at Heart Car range, they just have to be 2D or 6D. So I have to make a good read and the risk-reward is nowhere near in my favor since I know that Lambda can get a shitload of damage and saw oki from an AA sword. So no, I'm not using that thing unless you're in the corner where I can make the damage count.

What I do need to start using more often is the pogo stick to go through them. I've used it against Spike Chaser with a LOT of success, I just need to start using it against swords now.

And then you dash under the AA swords and get in...I don't see you are arguing about whether or not doing Heart Cars would Lambda scared...You don't need to spam it but you can do it once or twice just to fuck with them.

Edit: I mean you've done random ass ice cars against me before and that is nowhere near as scary as Heart Car and it still makes me stop and think.

Edited May 13, 2012 by toanenadiz

[Moy_X7]

If you know 5B is good then why compete with it? Be smart and avoid it altogether, or abuse the fact they want to 5B and neutral jump/jumpback and j.C

lol what the hell? So I just jump around like an idiot when I just told you that Plat can't compete with Ragna in the air either? Except that your 5B is actually a pretty decent AA as well and doing jump back j.C will get me CH'd for a shitton of damage.

And whiffing 5B with Ragna does the same for me as it does for you. Bait it.

Except that I can't punish it as well as you can punish my 5B. You can just do 66 5B to punish it whereas I have to be fucking spot on with my 5B to punish or else I get 5B'd, AGAIN.

if he double jumps a lot then airgrab him. Belial Edge you'll just have to hold that shit cause it's not that rewarding and if we miss cause you backdash or something we are in CH state for awhile.

I should just try to air grab them but that will get me so far once they start teching it (if if even landed to begin with). It's not about the reward as much as the fact that it shuts down my AA attempts. It's like saying I shouldn't pogo through projectiles because there's no reward to it (unless I pogo DS or Jin's 2D).

You guys are making this seem impossible. Just be smart.

Not impossible but hella uphill. Plat is not low tier for no reason, you know?

Anyways, this is the last post you'll see from me as I'm hell sleepy.

tl;dr

Ragna's neutral shits all over Plat's neutral and he has the most powerful defensive option in the game. The fact that I'm getting wins from you is based solely in the fact that either you're not up to par with Ragna (or as a player, maybe) or I'm just getting better reads on you.

[Mucky]

ggs XDest

oh my god her bowling ball

what the fuck

[Akira-Shiro]

If you know 5B is good then why compete with it? Be smart and avoid it altogether, or abuse the fact they want to 5B and neutral jump/jumpback and j.C

If I hit you out of 2B from afar (where you should be doing it) I can't do 6C cause the second hit would whiff, so the crouching state doesn't matter. And whiffing 5B with Ragna does the same for me as it does for you. Bait it.

if he double jumps a lot then airgrab him. Belial Edge you'll just have to hold that shit cause it's not that rewarding and if we miss cause you backdash or something we are in CH state for awhile.

You guys are making this seem impossible. Just be smart.

WOAH!!!!!!!! SR Imma have to ask u to stop right there.... Its looks like ur trying to make ragna look bad, my nigga is god.

HE SLAYED THE GOD SLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U dont get better then that

[XDest]

ペロペロ

ggs oh man I got the Tager 5B+C combo complete with AB2, I feel awesome.

[Moy_X7]

Oh, and just so you don't say that I'm being biased or whatever...

the best solution against ragna is to respect his offensive game; there's not much you can actually do against his approach, and if anything the best option you can fall back on is blocking.

as for 5B, there's really not much you can do about it. i have seen plat's 2B trade with ragna's 5B on certain occasions, so i wouldn't bet on that being the absolute solution to it (plus it's slightly dangerous on whiff). you'll have to respect the move and wait for the ragna player to use something that's worth disrespecting, such as dead spike.

Words from the Rag mod and one of the better players out there.

[Dont_Explain]

lol what the hell? So I just jump around like an idiot when I just told you that Plat can't compete with Ragna in the air either? Except that your 5B is actually a pretty decent AA as well and doing jump back j.C will get me CH'd for a shitton of damage.

No.....wait until you think he is about to 5B and jump so it whiffs. You do this sometimes to me, but yet apparently it's soooooo hard to stop 5B.

Except that I can't punish it as well as you can punish my 5B. You can just do 66 5B to punish it whereas I have to be fucking spot on with my 5B to punish or else I get 5B'd, AGAIN.

But you can punish it, so don't act like there's no risk for us too.

I should just try to air grab them but that will get me so far once they start teching it (if if even landed to begin with). It's not about the reward as much as the fact that it shuts down my AA attempts. It's like saying I shouldn't pogo through projectiles because there's no reward to it (unless I pogo DS or Jin's 2D).

If you airgrab them when they're about to attack you should get a throw counter, and even if you don't most people aren't thinking about teching throws when jumping in. Again, you are over thinking it. And like you say Plat shouldn't Heart Car Lambda cause of risk-reward, same applies here. Small combo from Belial vs CH combo I don't know what she can do midscreen with it, but in the corner fuck that.

Edited May 13, 2012 by Dont_Explain

[Errol]

Plat is not low tier for no reason, you know?

Isn't that CS2? Every CSEX list I've seen seems to place Plat as pretty midish.

Though, whatever, I agree anyway. DE, all it takes is very small changes, small bits of knowledge, small advantages here and there to make a big difference in a matchup. You're not there yet, that's all. Which is fine. I suck too.

[Dont_Explain]

Stuff from Kayeff

You already do that stuff Kayeff says. Maybe that's why you win? You know to respect 5B so you have no problem with it. You don't run into 5B like an idiot. You hate a matchup that you're already playing right....I don't get it.

[floatwater]

>_> Was in a room. I will gladly sacrifice my Mu next time.

Kira's free don't worry. lol