Starlight777 Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) How many I frames does Tager's backdash have? It's just weird to see things go right through him when he backdashes. Edited June 27, 2012 by Starlight777
WolfCrimson Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 And now it all makes sense. ArcSys grapplers (i.e. Potemkin & Tager (and maybe even Kanji, we'll see when P4A releases)) all have backdashes with lots of i-frames. They need it, really.
Starlight777 Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 ArcSys grapplers (i.e. Potemkin & Tager (and maybe even Kanji, we'll see when P4A releases)) all have backdashes with lots of i-frames. They need it, really. I really hope Kanji's is on par with theirs. It would just be fun to have a grappler that can run and airdash, while having a good backdash.
toanenadiz Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Today reminded me why I don't like playing BB from work. Ignoring people turning off the TV on you by accident, I hate that controller so much. I wish I could go back to the old days when I could use any controller without problems. And GGs Ragna. Everyone on ranked uses Ragna. Gli uses Ragna. Kid Viper uses Ragna. Random [insert character here] main uses Ragna. I need to go to ranked more to learn the Ragna match-up.
xntrikcat Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 BTW Toan I did some late fact-checking and it looks like Mu 6c is 20 frames of startup whereas Lambda 5d is 15 frames?
mAc Chaos Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 It's still going to take a few frames to actually reach you.
toanenadiz Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 BTW Toan I did some late fact-checking and it looks like Mu 6c is 20 frames of startup whereas Lambda 5d is 15 frames? That's if Lambda hits with it during the first active frame, which rarely happens. At the range where I use 5D, Mu's 6C is fast enough to trade with 5D and as you know, you can still combo from that for some reason.
Kyosuke Kagami Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Since u talking about back dashes, how good are Valky's and mah Rachel's?
xntrikcat Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 That's if Lambda hits with it during the first active frame, which rarely happens. At the range where I use 5D, Mu's 6C is fast enough to trade with 5D and as you know, you can still combo from that for some reason. Ah, makes sense. I wonder how long it takes for the sword to travel? Man, I gotta really get in the 6c range then, and mash it like a boss.
toanenadiz Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 It takes 12 frames to travel from its start point to end point.
gli Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Today reminded me why I don't like playing BB from work. Ignoring people turning off the TV on you by accident, I hate that controller so much. I wish I could go back to the old days when I could use any controller without problems. And GGs Ragna. Everyone on ranked uses Ragna. Gli uses Ragna. Kid Viper uses Ragna. Random [insert character here] main uses Ragna. I need to go to ranked more to learn the Ragna match-up. Kaqn uses Ragna. It's the only logical choice.
WolfCrimson Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Toan, I was gonna tell you to check out the Lambda vs Ragna matchup thread, but: 1. I remembered: You're a Lambda mod, so you already know about it. 2. I found out that the Lambda vs Ragna matchup thread is pretty... bare. The first post's good, but that's it. EDIT: Why don't you guys post the talk you have here about your experiences vs specific chars in the matchup threads? It's better suited there. Edited June 27, 2012 by WolfCrimson
toanenadiz Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Toan, I was gonna tell you to check out the Lambda vs Ragna matchup thread, but: 1. I remembered: You're a Lambda mod, so you already know about it. 2. I found out that the Lambda vs Ragna matchup thread is pretty... bare. The first post's good, but that's it. I already know what to do. I just suck at it. So when I say learn a match-up, it is just means making myself do what I should and not just press buttons like I like to do.
WolfCrimson Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Since u talking about back dashes, how good are Valky's and mah Rachel's? Valkenhayn: Backdash duration: 16F i-frames: 5F in human, 10F in wolf Rachel: Backdash duration: 23F i-frames: 7F Comparing all the backdashes' i-frames, recovery and distance traveled, seems like Ragna has one of the worst backdashes in the game. @Toan: Ah ok. Edited June 27, 2012 by WolfCrimson
floatwater Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 They all do except Hakumen, but he has Hotaru. that has got to be a dam lie, i KNOW he has at least 1 inv. frame or something
WolfCrimson Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 that has got to be a dam lie, i KNOW he has at least 1 inv. frame or something Yeah, he has 14 i-frames on his backdash. If you cancel it into Hotaru.
zeth07 Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Comparing all the backdashes' i-frames, recovery and distance traveled, seems like Ragna has one of the worst backdashes in the game. It just depends on how you look at it. His is moderately fast, and travels a relatively short distance, so it would be good for spacing / punishing, but maybe not so good defensively outside of the speed.
floatwater Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Ragna's bacdash is fairly good short but good, but some charcter moves catch him though, like every tager normal
WolfCrimson Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) I'm saying that Ragna's backdash is comparatively worse than most other characters' backdashes. It might be good in some cases, and has some uses, but others' are better. I noticed that Litchi's second backdash isn't listed in the system data, it's in her frame data, and I think that people need to take note of it. Edited June 27, 2012 by WolfCrimson
Zeron_X25 Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 GGs to Lufenia. GGs to the countless mashers that got raped today. I sent one of them a message saying "to block, hold 4". I thought I was being nice by giving them an advice but they never did what I said. Oh well.
Kyosuke Kagami Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Valkenhayn: Backdash duration: 16F i-frames: 5F in human, 10F in wolf Rachel: Backdash duration: 23F i-frames: 7F Comparing all the backdashes' i-frames, recovery and distance traveled, seems like Ragna has one of the worst backdashes in the game. @Toan: Ah ok. Ugh @ Rachel's
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