[CSE] PSN Match Finder/GG Thread

[mAc Chaos]

Yes.

Today.

[Bibiquadium]

Anything that beats their options is considered as "mashing" nowadays, I'll press 5A or 2A or DP, but I won't mash it, there are patterns and poor block strings that just doesn't deserve to be blocked sometimes. Even though this is a netplay thread and people probably refers to netplay where people press buttons mindlessly and confirms into whatever (speaking about a majority here, not everyone) then just apply frame traps and they'll eventually understand that mashing isn't a solution for everything.

[mAc Chaos]

It's a tool, just like a DP. You wouldn't say to block and never DP.

By that I mean poking to get out of pressure, or using a counter or DP. Not just flailing desperately.

I feel like there is an evolving mindset when it comes to this.

Beginner ~> Mash desperately, get blown up by frame traps.

Mid level ~> Blocking good, pressing buttons bad.

High level ~> It's a tool like anything else, use it when appropriate.

This is actually a logical progression, because when most people start the game they have no idea what they're doing, so they will get bodied. To compensate, other players will tell them to just focus on blocking so they can learn how to play defense, so they gain control over their buttons. But eventually that player will learn that it's not all bad and that there are times when it's appropriate and even necessary to try and get out.

For a lot of people they act like just DPing out of pressure, or pressing buttons is somehow bad form and against the rules of the game. But it's only frowned on because the OTHER PLAYER is what causes the negative. You do it too much and you get punished. It's not inherently bad by itself. If the opponent can't enforce that drawback then it is all upside.

It's like playing Starcraft, and going for an early expansion. If the other player is never rushing or scouting you then it's a great move.

Plus there are some moves where you are put into a disadvantage just by blocking them, because it lets the opponent restart their pressure or go into some mixup.

Edited July 7, 2013 by mAc Chaos

[Rhiya]

Feel like this needs to get said.

A lot of great blockstrings are completely free to being mashed, but that doesn't make them bad: it just means there's an answer to them. Nothing weak about that. It's not a shoddy blockstring or a bad blockstring if your opponent can beat it, because pretty much every blockstring has some answer or another.

[Lich]

I think I've clarified my thoughts on mashing a million times. There's mashing without any forethought because you are incapable of blocking, fearful that you realize that you're allergic to blocking and might actually become sick from it. Then there's players who know how to block, have a good defense, and have the knowledge when it may be a good spot to mash/back-dash/jump, whatever. Which adds to their defense.

I'm never going to call it abare, it's mashing.

[Moy_X7]

Reminds me of this Hazama player who RQ'd on me because I CDT'd after his failed command grab combo. I know you can't get that link down but here, have a spinny loli for your efforts.

Can't call that mashing, hell, how do you even mash a 632146C motion? You just churn that butter like you're Tager or something? XD

[mAc Chaos]

I think I've clarified my thoughts on mashing a million times. There's mashing without any forethought because you are incapable of blocking, fearful that you realize that you're allergic to blocking and might actually become sick from it. Then there's players who know how to block, have a good defense, and have the knowledge when it may be a good spot to mash/back-dash/jump, whatever. Which adds to their defense.

I'm never going to call it abare, it's mashing.

Okay, so you're just talking about mashing then. Mindlessly hitting buttons. Not "good mash." This is why I just use mashing for just hitting anything and hoping it works rather than poking out deliberately.

The mixup happens a lot because I see people using it as a shorthand for it, and lots of commentators use it in a joking way when someone gets out of pressure.

Feel like this needs to get said.

A lot of great blockstrings are completely free to being mashed, but that doesn't make them bad: it just means there's an answer to them. Nothing weak about that. It's not a shoddy blockstring or a bad blockstring if your opponent can beat it, because pretty much every blockstring has some answer or another.

Yeah, those are just what you should use when you've conditioned them to block.

[Dr.Patient]

GGs to xxMusicianxx, Nemesis-type, joemomma5, and Loli-Pop-Star, don't know why psn is more bad than usual today.

[BlackYakuzu94]

I really love how my Dad distracts me when I'm picking a character until it times out and I have to use Rachel.

[Moy_X7]

I in the other hand, will stop calling it "mashing" because that's not what most people are doing when they're getting out of predictable pressure. Mashing, the way I see it, is literally that; hammering the shit out of 5A/2A, 1 Button Reversals, 236236/214214 supers, Tager butter churning, etc.

Again, it's one thing to make a read and push a button/input a command, once, in order to intercept your opponent. It's another to hammer the shit out of something and pray for the best. Since I can't call it mashing I'm just going to call it "abare".

[Mucky]

I think the reason why people call it mashing even when it isn't is because there actually is no difference. You could say intelligent mashing works more often than mindless mashing, but that's affirming the consequent; it's not the results that make it intelligent or mindless, it's the thought process behind it. Except nobody can know the player's thought process except the player himself, so everyone else just sees the mashing.

[mAc Chaos]

I dunno, I can usually tell if somebody is just hitting anything every chance they get or calling out something I was doing.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Can't you tell mashing if your opponent keeps disrespecting your pressure, as in they're trying for a reversal.

[Rhiya]

I think the reason why people call it mashing even when it isn't is because there actually is no difference. You could say intelligent mashing works more often than mindless mashing, but that's affirming the consequent; it's not the results that make it intelligent or mindless, it's the thought process behind it. Except nobody can know the player's thought process except the player himself, so everyone else just sees the mashing.

It's not really affirming the consequent; it's just using a definition you don't feel connects to the term well. You could call it "good mashing" and "bad mashing," if you prefer. "Intelligent mashing" is the more intuitive term, though, since its opposite is often referred to as "mindlessly hitting buttons."

Alternatively, you could just assume success over time is correlated to "intelligently mashing" and failure over time is correlated to "mindlessly hitting buttons," and use induction. Nothing too weird going on there, unless you absolutely hate induction, or you hate that assumption.

EDIT: Edits in bold.

Edited July 7, 2013 by Dusk Thanatos

[Nemesis]

I live to disrespect Mac's intelligent abare D mashing

[Crow the BOOLET]

I really love how my Dad distracts me when I'm picking a character until it times out and I have to use Rachel.

And it was very funny to watch. j.frog more!

And gosh this room is filled with Noel players. GAWD HALP US NAO! ;A;

[Moy_X7]

I live to disrespect Mac's intelligent abare D mashing

What's that, two counters in a row? Nigga must be mashing... Nah, that's just Hakumen being Hakumen, he threw out an extra D in order to punish your poorly timed punish to his other D. Or maybe, just maybe, he really is just mashing D.

Aww shit, might as well just keep on calling it mashing and get it over with. As long as I know what type of mashing I'm doing, then all is right with the world

[mAc Chaos]

I live to disrespect Mac's intelligent abare D mashing

What's that, two counters in a row? Nigga must be mashing... Nah, that's just Hakumen being Hakumen, he threw out an extra D in order to punish your poorly timed punish to his other D. Or maybe, just maybe, he really is just mashing D.

Nooooo I can't find that video of me against Tectal where I whiff 5D into 6D and punish his punish

[Bibiquadium]

Just grab that shit, why press further buttons vs Hakumen.

[Nemesis]

Coz Mac breaks grabs as well as his shoulder

[Moy_X7]

Nooooo I can't find that video of me against Tectal where I whiff 5D into 6D and punish his punish

It's okay, I've played my share of Hakumens, so I know from experience what that feels like. Too far to run up and grab him, only option is to try and poke him during recovery but what's this, I'm a frame too late with my punish and he punished my punish with another counter? FML

[Bibiquadium]

I mash 214A~A like a baws. (not really, it gets ass really quick)

[Nemesis]

Well my 4 Month old ps3 finally croaked and won't even take discs in anymore - I swear Sony makes the biggest pile of shit and the masses all suck it up and love it

[Kurushii]

Well my 4 Month old ps3 finally croaked and won't even take discs in anymore - I swear Sony makes the biggest pile of shit and the masses all suck it up and love it

This isn't exactly suited for this thread. May I ask what model was it? I haven't had a PS3 fail on me since the old fat one.

[Chaoschao222]

Well my 4 Month old ps3 finally croaked and won't even take discs in anymore - I swear Sony makes the biggest pile of shit and the masses all suck it up and love it

Bad luck isn't really reason to blame the company. You see people who talk of going through like five Xbox's while others () are still on their launch system. The same applies to the PS3.