zeth07 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 5B losing its ability to JC on block, j.236D not doing good old fashioned cross-up shenanigans, and Sekkajin > D costing 25 Heat breaks my heart. Hey, we still have 5C > j.2C > j.D though lol. -No more corner cross-ups off 5B pulling you in just for blocking. -No more ambiguous cross-ups off j.236D. Sounds like reasonable changes if you ask me, considering how "stupid" those things were.
mAc Chaos Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Ambiguous j.236D crossup was fine. It's better when characters all have neat stuff to use rather than everyone just getting nerfed into the ground to even everything out. At least that's my preference.
zeth07 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Ambiguous j.236D crossup was fine. It's better when characters all have neat stuff to use rather than everyone just getting nerfed into the ground to even everything out. At least that's my preference. I just compare it to things like CT Bang's A-Nail glide during FRKZ being removed or the fact that he could ONLY cross-up Tager in the corner during CT and that was removed (by whatever means), so it only seems fair to remove those "shenanigans" from Jin.
Mightfo Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 (edited) shenanigans should only get removed if they're actually broken like "whoops this completely makes this neutral game dumb" or "whoops this makes mixup/defense absurd" or if it is a clear case of "this character really doesnt need this and we want to emphasize different strengths" spending 25 meter on an ambiguous mixup seems fine to me honestly Oh no, god forbid you got hit because the other player read your attack and used Haku's drive. GOD FORBID THAT HAPPEN i dont think the word "read" means what you think it means it is always argueable whether some character completely denying the tools of other characters for no effort is fair for the matchup/enjoyment of players or not Edited August 11, 2012 by Mightfo
Moy_X7 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 -No more corner cross-ups off 5B pulling you in just for blocking. -No more ambiguous cross-ups off j.236D. Sounds like reasonable changes if you ask me, considering how "stupid" those things were. Reasonable changes my ass, they're taking away Jin's only ways of opening people up. Oh and 6A can still only be followed up through an RC. Tell me Zeth, how am I supposed to open people up now? Frame trapping can only take a character so far, ask Relius. Jin's neutral is decent at best so he can't beat people through neutral alone. Even Ragna has his TK GH, Tsubaki has her 22D shenanigans, and Relius has his empty jump mix-up and UB setups. What does Jin have now? lol Then again, this is loltest #1 and I know of the stupid shit they tried to do during the CT > CS loltests. They tried to make him shoot two Ice Blades instead of three back in the day and now we're only getting one, it's fairly big but goddamn that shit sucks lol.
mAc Chaos Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 it is always argueable whether some character completely denying the tools of other characters for no effort is fair for the matchup/enjoyment of players or not no effort i dont think that means what you think it means lol might as well say that about any DP
Zeron_X25 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 wat Yeah that was my reaction too when I first read this.
zeth07 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Reasonable changes my ass, they're taking away Jin's only ways of opening people up. Oh and 6A can still only be followed up through an RC. Tell me Zeth, how am I supposed to open people up now? Frame trapping can only take a character so far, ask Relius. Jin's neutral is decent at best so he can't beat people through neutral alone. Even Ragna has his TK GH, Tsubaki has her 22D shenanigans, and Relius has his empty jump mix-up and UB setups. What does Jin have now? lol Then again, this is loltest #1 and I know of the stupid shit they tried to do during the CT > CS loltests. They tried to make him shoot two Ice Blades instead of three back in the day and now we're only getting one, it's fairly big but goddamn that shit sucks lol. It's not like they can't change other things or add new stuff to give him different options. Those two things worked against people just for trying to block. Considering the fact that they did make those changes, it's not like I'm the only one who felt this way, lol.
Moy_X7 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I can actually live without j.236D but losing the ability to JC 5B is a huge blow to Jin's game. Jin uses that thing not only for cross-ups but to bait reversals as well. I don't know why you're making such a big deal out of the 5B corner cross-up (this isn't the first time). Most people with reasonable reactions can block that shit like nothing. Hell, my reactions are pretty ass and I can react to the cross-up almost every time. DON'T DO THIS ARCSYS, DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE.
Zeron_X25 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Hahahaaha this nerf is looking pretty good if I'm honest.
SteelCoil Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Just so you know, Tsubaki also lost her 22D unblockable. She has a command grab instead...
TD Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Also, Rachel is not a zoner. well shit, guess l better switch to lambda or mu for my zoning needs! owait.........
zeth07 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 I can actually live without j.236D but losing the ability to JC 5B is a huge blow to Jin's game. Jin uses that thing not only for cross-ups but to bait reversals as well. I don't know why you're making such a big deal out of the 5B corner cross-up (this isn't the first time). Most people with reasonable reactions can block that shit like nothing. Hell, my reactions are pretty ass and I can react to the cross-up almost every time. DON'T DO THIS ARCSYS, DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE. How am I making a big deal out of it lol? All I said was I thought it seemed reasonable given the nature of those moves.
Zeron_X25 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 well shit, guess l better switch to lambda or mu for my zoning needs! owait......... Use Tager. You can now zone with a tilted Spark Bolt.
ElegantShadow Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 well shit, guess l better switch to lambda or mu for my zoning needs! owait......... Ow! You've just stabbed a rusted dagger into my already open and wounded heart and you're twisting it. T_T But on a serious note, Rachel isn't a zoner, but at the same time she is. The best thing to call her is a trapper/rush-down character [though, I could be wrong].
Vulcan422 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 (edited) Use Tager. You can now zone with a tilted Spark Bolt. That's not zoning, Tager can never be allowed to zone. It is Tager's destiny to forever be bottom tier / on ArcSys' shitlist, just like Dizzy, Chipp, and Anji. Edited August 11, 2012 by Vulcan422
TD Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Use Tager. You can now zone with a tilted Spark Bolt. watch how bad this new sparkbolt is going to be. just watch. it wont remedy his problems against the zoners like, at all. Ow! You've just stabbed a rusted dagger into my already open and wounded heart and you're twisting it. T_T But on a serious note, Rachel isn't a zoner, but at the same time she is. The best thing to call her is a trapper/rush-down character [though, I could be wrong]. didnt you know? i'm a sadist... lol l kid, they'll likely make it into the game somehow. as for rachel, well, she can do everything but defend well, so l just call her 'versatile'
Zeron_X25 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 watch how bad this new sparkbolt is going to be. just watch. it wont remedy his problems against the zoners like, at all. lol you're telling this to a Tager player. I think I know what's gonna happen.
Mumm-Ra Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 If my character can't do it none can! How am I making a big deal out of it lol? All I said was I thought it seemed reasonable given the nature of those moves. You also called them "stupid" when they're fairly, well, fair, not broken in any way, shape or form. This is the second time you've used the word in this thread in a totally uncalled for way, too
Zeron_X25 Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 That's not zoning, Tager can never be allowed to zone. It is Tager's destiny to forever be bottom tier / on ArcSys' shitlist, just like Dizzy, Chipp, and Anji. Chipp and Dizzy aren't bottom tier. It's always Johnny, Bridget and Anji.
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