[CP] Rachel Alucard Gameplay Discussion

[kirbster]

There's like two videos of the new moves but nobody knew how to use them so it's just bats flying around to our untrained eyes lol...

I'm suddenly super excited about playing BB again :D new game, that with NEC in less than a month. A bit off topic but Gli, if you make it to NEC we can form a Rachel army with TD and brkrdave xD

[samthegreat]

Hey I'm trying to come too lol. I'll tell you by Sunday at Road to NEC.

New posts on JBBS, they're talking about Rachel's dmg which is apparently pretty high even witout meter (4k from 5B, exceeding 5k from OD).

The network is shit here so I'll look into it properly at home and edit this post.

EDIT: Well, they're pretty much saying that she seems to have very good damage, instant overhead works on all cast (to confirm), 3C>BBL full hits on all cast, but wind and frog recovery is bad.

Edited November 14, 2012 by samthegreat

[tofurr]

How do you see new posts one JBBS? I haven't figured it out fully yet and the most recent dates I see are from like August.

[TD]

There's like two videos of the new moves but nobody knew how to use them so it's just bats flying around to our untrained eyes lol... I'm suddenly super excited about playing BB again :D new game, that with NEC in less than a month. A bit off topic but Gli, if you make it to NEC we can form a Rachel army with TD and brkrdave xD

...yeah... about that...

[Herbal Grey]

There's like two videos of the new moves but nobody knew how to use them so it's just bats flying around to our untrained eyes lol...

I'm suddenly super excited about playing BB again :D new game, that with NEC in less than a month. A bit off topic but Gli, if you make it to NEC we can form a Rachel army with TD and brkrdave xD

Work has forsaken me. Had to cancel my NEC tickets :(

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:(

[Kuuhaku]

For some reason, the main hub site didn't update the thread list. Current Rachel JBBS thread

http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45148/1345875865/

I used the brilliant deduction of looking up "レイチェル＝アルカード Part23" on Google. Hub site still links to Part22 even though that long hit the 1000 post limit.

Unfortunately, my understanding using Google Translate is very limited, but it does seem like 6B is still jump cancellable.

Edited November 14, 2012 by Bohemian Polka

[kirbster]

...yeah... about that...

Work has forsaken me. Had to cancel my NEC tickets :(

:(

:(

...are you guys trying to break my fucking heart?

[TD]

im pretty much in the same boat as dave. work > fun as sad is that is.

[kirbster]

My day is ruined

Hype level down 750%

[TD]

we might be gone, but you can covet a shiny new trophy for your troubles.

and l might just appear... my trip plans are based on a whim, there's no actual planning. so i'm undecided until the day before/of the the tourny, no more but no less

[Kuuhaku]

I'm not sure how Lotus is supposed to be used. The Rachel player kept going for it, but it didn't look like it did anything. It seems like A Lotus disappears extremely quickly. B Lotus stays out longer. I'm not sure how these are supposed to be used. Activation is slow. They home, but they don't travel very fast.

Pumpkin looks the same. Maybe travels farther?

A Lobelia CH much shorter. Possibly more recovery too.

Lobelia trajectory seems changed.

Lobelia no longer floats on hit.

Lobelia bounces off of walls. B and C air lobelia knock down.

Lotus does seem like they have a projectile hitbox. Litchi's staff clashed with one.

Frog meter regens slower.

6A no longer floats on hit. Air CH untech time reduced.

After j.2C level 2 ground bounce, B lobelia followup may be harder. Can follow up with j.C and 6A? Can do j.2C level 2 2A whiff 5CC into corner.

4B might not be cancellable on block. Cancelled into overdrive on hit. Special cancellable on hit. Can 4B delay 3C in the corner.

4B ground bounce is still in, but it doesn't bounce very high. Not sure how well you can combo off of it.

5CC still ground slide. Looks like it's hard to combo after it in the corner. Wallsticks the opponent.

j.2C still air special cancellable on hit. Still normal cancellable on block. Not overhead.

New corner BnB. It looks really weird.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Bohemian Polka

[Sakaku]

Watching some Rachel play right now.

Seems like Rachel still can move after all TD projectiles came out.

Lotus stays even after Rachel gets combo'd.

j.236B knocks down (can tech immediately after touching the ground)

Kerokero combo still works.

j.C j.236A floats the opponent at the other side of the screen

2C hitbox seems to be worse

instant overhead on Hazama seems to work

combos:

A corner combo I've seen was something like 5B > 5CDC > 6A > 236A > 4B > 3C iirc.

3C > 214C > 6A > 4B works

lvl2 j.2C 236B j.C j.214C seems to work against Arakune (char specific ?)

DAT COLOR

Edited November 21, 2012 by Sakaku

[kirbster]

INSTANT OVERHEAD WORKS ON HAZAMA :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6qHnmVqz4 at around 13:20

If this extrapolates to it connecting on Noel and that whore Litchi, this is a huge buff.

[gamester]

Just thinking. If you've got a rod in place after doing that 4B, Sword Iris should connect as 4B is now special Cancel-able.

[GenoWhirl]

http://es-es.twitch.tv/central804/b/341817071 lots here. 2:37:00 match was great (vs arakune

[gli]

I saw tournament footage of Rachel v. Litchi and can confirm that IOH j.A works on Litchi! It's on youtube somewhere but I don't have the link anymore -_-

[gamester]

Was it from the stream that GenoWhirl has linked to? If so, Pktazn made YT Videos from that stream, if it's ok, I've linked to all Rachel matches from that stream in the Skeleton BBCP Video Thread.

Here's the Litchi matches I got from the videos he uplaoded:

[11/21/2012] Litchi (Jinbu) Vs Rachel (Momoiro)

[11/21/2012] Litchi (Jinbu) Vs Rachel (Hamu) Note: Match does get cut off at the end but finishes off with Rachels victory in the next part of the playlist videos. (You will need to go to part 5 to see the last seconds of this match)

Hope those are ok

[Sakaku]

Sweet, this makes the Litchi MU much more enjoyable. It's probably safe to assume j.a's hitbox was buffed then. Still no word on how lotus works? I'm really desperate to see this move in action.

[MrViceTaicho]

INSTANT OVERHEAD WORKS ON HAZAMA :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6qHnmVqz4 at around 13:20

If this extrapolates to it connecting on Noel and that whore Litchi, this is a huge buff.

NOOOOOOO!!!

[kirbster]

EAT IT VICE TAICHO

[TD]

the new cp looks rather goofy lol, maybe im just not used to it. the speed is a welcome addition though.

l saw the lotus bats fly in one of the vids, it is indeed slow and short. what seemed to happen though is that toward the end when theyre about to disappear, they seem to speed up (a la volante). l still want to know what they actually do... :/

the new j.236a is fantastic. what will be hime's new bnb's l wonder. alot of stuff in those vids didnt really 'click' together and its leaving in my stomach a small seed of dread.

[kro_]

The new sound effects are pretty bad. It might just be sound quality, but the remixed tracks sound kind of bland too.

The knockdown on B and C air lobelias is great. Good buffs to her zoning game. I wish I knew how those lotus bats work, though.

I'm not seeing any opportunities for good midscreen damage with that lv2 j.2C nerf. Maybe there's a way to work in a 4B on an airborne opponent to force that ground bounce I've been seeing in the corner.

[kirbster]

I agree with TD, new j.236a looks fucking great. I love the new reach it has and how it pretty much sends the opponent away almost fullscreen. Gives some breathing room to set up a zoning game and recharge on some wind.

[sparkaura]

Despite all this good stuff, I can't help feel like something is off. Too early to start assuming stuff but still.....

Edit: Saw baden baden lily in action, looks like it got a major damage nerf. Minimum damage use to be 600 now it looks even less

Edited November 21, 2012 by sparkaura

[kirbster]

Another thing I noticed is that since we can block Hakumen's counter now, he can't just 2d out of Georges oki for free

As for combos and damage and whatnot... I'm sure they will figure out optimal combos soon enough. It's freaking day 1 right now.