[CP] Rachel Alucard Gameplay Discussion

[TD]

there's not enough info on cp rachel to give even a half-serious opinion of her overall right now. everything we know, which is very little, could very well change in the next loketest anyway.

her new special looks really good for the type of character she is, though.

i dont know why you want it, but okay

just now seeing this lol.

td as meteors would be absolutely broken... l can live with this.

[gli]

Looks fine. Who knows. The engine is so different and there are new mechanics to play with so it's really hard to say anything. Game looks faster though so that'll be fun.

Edited September 27, 2012 by glirandly

[Rhannmah]

they nerfed td so you cant use it as a blind mix-up.

[Wild Candy]

Oh god, if they nerf Rachel like they did in the first Continuum Shift. I'm going to go bonkers! I also hope they make her Astral a little easier to use, Clownish Calendula looks so cool, but it's slow start up makes it difficult. Hopefully her Overdrive makes things easier to. Just, for the love of any deity who will listen! DON'T NERF RACHEL!

[gli]

I am indifferent about nerfs or buffs, I just want to play Rachel again!

[samthegreat]

I started to read some posts on JBBS. They say they feel she got weaker and frog recovery is terrible Lotus is still godlike though apparently. I'll read some more tomorrow.

[Yaaay]

I am indifferent about nerfs or buffs, I just want to play Rachel again!

Oh god please don't say this...

I started to read some posts on JBBS. They say they feel she got weaker and frog recovery is terrible Lotus is still godlike though apparently. I'll read some more tomorrow.

Aaaaaargh DX Well it's still early, gonna hope that she just changed much and needs a different play-style in order to be effective. Or something like that. It's too early...

[samthegreat]

Don't worry about it too much, I just read the whole thing and that post was completely baseless to my understanding.

Edited November 9, 2012 by samthegreat

[TD]

l want to see some bnb's. hopefully she's retained her high wind regen combos in the corner for 1 or 2 winds, or some sort of setup with all of her minions out including this new lotus move.

if the lotus move hits on wakeup then we have an auto, dp safe meaty that does not require wind. the only downside would be the huge difference in frame advantage between pumpkin and lotus, and the amount of frames george would need to activate.

l still have not seen the new moves in their entirety which sucks balls...

[samthegreat]

ロケテ中。何かあったら調べるよ。

とりま気づいた点、既出は知らない。

端5CD追加Cから4Bと蛙>3Cの拾いは出来ないっぽい。壁張り付きの高度がかなり低いため3Cか5B、6Bで拾うのがベターかな。

アイリス、リリー拾いでもいけそう。

青肉は結構シビア、リリーからダメージ伸びないし現状微妙。カルルに相変わらずJC当たりにくい。

ロータスに夢を感じる。Aロータスなら壁コン伸びそうだし横ロータスなら運びが優秀。あと空中モーション可愛い。空中モーション可愛い。

6Bjc可。4B>(8D)>5B拾い可。6A地対地は浮かない。蛙の回復遅すぎ。

This post might be interesting.

5CC wall stick too low for 3C to connect after [5CC]>4B > frog, use 5B or 6B instead.

Stuff about Iris and Lily connecting..?

Ao Niku combo very strict, especially hard to land the j.C on Carl. +Stuff about damage from Lily (not sure about that).

Lotus feels like a dream. A Lotus extends corner combos and horizontal (B?) lotus carry is excellent. Air motion looks cute [this is extremely important ].

6B jcable. 4B>8D>5B connects. 6A doesn't launch on ground hit. frog recovery very slow.

Edited November 9, 2012 by samthegreat

[TD]

time to get the brain juices churning.

6b jc 4b connects wat

that's... gonna need a confirmation for sure. CH only? jump install? ridiculous hitstun on 6b now? an error? x.x

[samthegreat]

Um sorry, guess it wasn't clear, gonna fix the post lol.

[Sindelian]

6A doesn't launch on ground hit. frog recovery very slow.

You know what I love? When they nerf things that were never a problem to begin with.

[Jason D.]

Air motion looks cute.

Once we make a final list of changes, make sure this one goes under the "buffs" section.

[TD]

You know what I love? When they nerf things that were never a problem to begin with.

this so damn much! seriously... when has 6a launch ever been broken. 4b combo route also makes me sad, but theres no way they'll keep that 70 p1 with how hard it is to use now. or maybe they will because #cryharderrachelplayers

[samthegreat]

4B pretty much became an important combo tool because of the bounce property, but it's gonna be hard to use as a starter or mixup now. Could still be used around poles I guess . I don't think it's gonna keep 70 p1, it even has FC now... Also her dmg seems to be up (5B>5CD>3C>Lily+1rod>lv3 j.2C alone does near 4.8k) but it should be the case for most of the cast.

[Wild Candy]

Oh god! Their just beating Rachel with the Nerf Bat sensely. Their are so many other characters that need a nerfing, and others that need to strengthened. Like Tager needs to be nerfed, his Genesic Emerald Tager Buster can take out any after they lost a quarter of their health! Between the nerfs on Makoto, and the nerfs on Rachel. I might have to find a new main for chrono phantasma.

[samthegreat]

No, just calm down. Tager is bad and he will continue to be bad (they're even nerfing GETB if you're worried about it). He doesn't have a single good matchup (Rachel is like 7-3 against him lol).

The information we have currently is extremely vague and you're straight off jumping to conclusions. Every single character has received nerves and buffs (Rachel included) and the game changed a lot. Wait until it's is out.

[gli]

As I was saying earlier, not only are there balance changes, the engine is also different from previous versions. Best to keep calm and wait for final product + videos :V

[TD]

she actually looks alright. her new moves sound like theyre very good just by themselves, and she still has the pumpkin dominating shit. im really glad poles are not just iris/lily fodder anymore, they have a more unique purpose that might be the the key to her higher damage/wind regen combos.

doesn't cp come out this month in jp arcades?

[Wild Candy]

Yeah, you guys are right. I shouldn't get to worked up yet. Maybe the changes for Rachel (And Hopefully Makoto, but I won't get into that.) Will be helpful. From what I read, Barrel Lotus seems very useful.

[samthegreat]

Yep in about 2 weeks I guess. I'm secretly hoping elusive players like Rin-hime, Mazo-hime sesu or Kure hane will make a triumphant return.

[TD]

me too, even a new someone. theres a purple rachel in a-cho that does all the fancy combos and theres that gray one who will get better eventually...

[samthegreat]

Yeah, but it makes me sad that they keep losing (especially Tenkyo lol) even though they're decent.

Reminds me of my own struggle lolol.

N-O is on another level.

[sparkaura]

I just really want to see some gameplay of her, its killing me inside with all this theory crafting. Like the elusive beezle/barrel lotus, I really need to see this move in action for some proper judgement.