harmless kitten Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Eh, not anymore than what happened to Ragna or Tsubaki, although there wasn't much blood shown for Ragna. Still, he had a sword rammed through his middle and lived. Good thing the AG works on gut wounds!
00Bubbles00 Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 By the way, give a cigar to the brave chap who observes that big fucking wall of text I wrote. That's an interesting theory. If Mori does read about physics stuff as inspiration, I'll throw this out there. On the topic of time travel in BB: There is one real science theory that says there is no "timeline" in which you can travel between different points. There is only the present. This goes with the theory of "information". It is because there is nothing in the universe (temporal as well) that stores all of the information of what happened in the past or in alternate future outcomes. This includes all the mundane things like how gas is drifting around space or what path a piece of garbage took when it floated around in the sea. Without information of it, it cannot exist or be created if someone tried to jump through a portal. In the Blazblue world, it was mentioned that the boundary was the place where memories are stored, and possibilities. I'm not sure if the boundary and the Master unit are considered the same thing or heavily connected in function. If the boundary was cut off, or maybe the Master unit destroyed, then this memory would be gone, preventing time travel and fun stuff.
mitsuyoshi Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 That's an interesting theory. If Mori does read about physics stuff as inspiration, I'll throw this out there. On the topic of time travel in BB: There is one real science theory that says there is no "timeline" in which you can travel between different points. There is only the present. This goes with the theory of "information". It is because there is nothing in the universe (temporal as well) that stores all of the information of what happened in the past or in alternate future outcomes. This includes all the mundane things like how gas is drifting around space or what path a piece of garbage took when it floated around in the sea. Without information of it, it cannot exist or be created if someone tried to jump through a portal. In the Blazblue world, it was mentioned that the boundary was the place where memories are stored, and possibilities. I'm not sure if the boundary and the Master unit are considered the same thing or heavily connected in function. If the boundary was cut off, or maybe the Master unit destroyed, then this memory would be gone, preventing time travel and fun stuff. That was a interesting theory,but i think if master unit and the boundary is one of the same thing or connected then there's no point for Hazama to obtained Takamagahara and the lifelink in the first place all he need to do is jump into the cauldron or enter it like what Arakune did and all he need to do is to cut off the boundary and finish,the world will end and don't forget that Takamagahara is a prototype of the Master unit that mean it connected with the boundary just destroy Takamagahara will destroy some part of the boundary as well.
SkyBarrier101 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Since when was Takamagahara a prototype of the Master Unit? WHERE was that even stated? Takamagahara was created by HUMANS
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 So you've just saved Mori's life, and he offers to change 1-3 things about the storyline in BB for you. What do you choose? As for me: 1. Remove the creepy NIII-SAN stuff from Jin. Just make him a tsundre and he could be a good enough character. 2. Give Ragna a legitimate goal, even if it ends up being turned on it's head later on. p.s. That "the universe can't exist without something to record its existence" theory is pretty prevalent throughout BBs use of Observers and such. While it's kind of neat, it doesn't really do much good for genuine storytelling in my opinion.
Tong Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Since when was Takamagahara a prototype of the Master Unit? WHERE was that even stated? Takamagahara was created by HUMANS In fact, I dont think Susanooh, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi units were man-made. Remember that the Cauldron/Gates of Sheol have always existed and humans wanted to tap its power.
00Bubbles00 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 So you've just saved Mori's life, and he offers to change 1-3 things about the storyline in BB for you. What do you choose? As for me: 1. Remove the creepy NIII-SAN stuff from Jin. Just make him a tsundre and he could be a good enough character. 2. Give Ragna a legitimate goal, even if it ends up being turned on it's head later on. p.s. That "the universe can't exist without something to record its existence" theory is pretty prevalent throughout BBs use of Observers and such. While it's kind of neat, it doesn't really do much good for genuine storytelling in my opinion. What I was getting at was, the universe DOES exist without a record of its existence.... its the alternate universes, alternate timelines, past and future universes that can't exist without complete (every little detail) records of their existence. Yes its bad story telling. It just gets a free pass due to being a fighting game that's fun to play. RPGs get ripped apart for poorly told stories like FF13. Hopefully Mori does as he claims saying that CP do more to spell out the story and context.
NovaFortuna Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 So you've just saved Mori's life, and he offers to change 1-3 things about the storyline in BB for you. What do you choose? As for me: 1. Remove the creepy NIII-SAN stuff from Jin. Just make him a tsundre and he could be a good enough character. 2. Give Ragna a legitimate goal, even if it ends up being turned on it's head later on. p.s. That "the universe can't exist without something to record its existence" theory is pretty prevalent throughout BBs use of Observers and such. While it's kind of neat, it doesn't really do much good for genuine storytelling in my opinion. 1. Use all the setups he's been ignoring with Jin, such as the power of order and especially his character development. 2. Give a better overall explanation of the events, mystery is fun and all, but it's gotten to a point you just don't know what's going on here and there. 3. Show the backstories of some character such as Rags, Jin and Bang. To know what shaped them into who they are and more connections with the current story.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 So you've just saved Mori's life, and he offers to change 1-3 things about the storyline in BB for you. What do you choose? As for me: 1. Remove the creepy NIII-SAN stuff from Jin. Just make him a tsundre and he could be a good enough character. 2. Give Ragna a legitimate goal, even if it ends up being turned on it's head later on. p.s. That "the universe can't exist without something to record its existence" theory is pretty prevalent throughout BBs use of Observers and such. While it's kind of neat, it doesn't really do much good for genuine storytelling in my opinion. 1. More coherence please, no more of this cryptic bullshit. 2. Have Jin grow a pair, and stop making him come off as a depraved rapist(ya know, unless it's for a gag reel) 3. The "Noel is flat" jokes got tiring after the first 5 times. 4. Tone down the amount of plot armor Hazama has so we can actually believe the heroes can beat him legitimately.
Mu Nova Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Nu saves the day teaming up with Mu and Izayoi, Ragna's arm is used as a power source, he loses it. Saya is moefied and returns to normal, Silver Hakumen, Mechakaka, and Golden Tager appear at the end of True End in a gripping cliffhanger leaving you wanting more. BlazBlue Kart is announced the following TGS. I almost want this to happen. Badly.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) 4. Tone down the amount of plot armor Hazama has so we can actually believe the heroes can beat him legitimately. This. As much as I like Hazama, I do tire quickly of "undefeatable" villains that never give an inch. A good villain goes both ways in my opinion. He wins sometimes, but loses at others. When I watched "The Empire Strikes Back" as a kid it was a really dramatic experience for me because the bad guys won, when I expected them to lose. At the movie's end I was thinking how the good guys are going to recover from the damage they were dealt. But with Hazama, he almost always wins at everything so it's no big deal. In fact the scene I like most with him is when loses to Ragna because it's finally something different. Ps. I can't see BlazBlue Kart being anything but amazing. I can already see Tager using magnetism to slow you down so he wins. Edited January 25, 2013 by Ctrlaltwtf
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 This. As much as I like Hazama, I do tire quickly of "undefeatable" villains that never give an inch. A good villain goes both ways in my opinion. He wins sometimes, but loses at others. When I watched "The Empire Strikes Back" as a kid it was a really dramatic experience for me because the bad guys won, when I expected them to lose. At the movie's end I was thinking how the good guys are going to recover from the damage they were dealt. But with Hazama, he almost always wins at everything so it's no big deal. In fact the scene I like most with him is when loses to Ragna because it's finally something different. He's like Aizen if he was actually entertaining to watch; you love the magnificent bastard they are, but good god you wish they would lose at something. And yes, I did love it when Ragna finally handed him his ass....if only it didn't further his own plans, but hey it's something. Ps. I can't see BlazBlue Kart being anything but amazing. I can already see Tager using magnetism to slow you down so he wins. Nah, Jin would win instantly; he'd freeze the entire track so every slips and try to run Ragna off the road as much as possible.
floatwater Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I'd find it that ragna would be the most useless character in that mode.
Chaoschao222 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 You'd think Tsubaki would be the most useless, I mean, blinding items are rarely effective in kart racers unless coupled with faux item boxes... This is straying from story talk... but hypocritically speaking... I like it.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Hazama would get blue shells all the time.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Hazama would get blue shells all the time. that would be pointless though because Hazama would always be in first anyway He should just get a sign that insults everyone behind him. (this is more entertaining than actually discussing the story)
mAc Chaos Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Hazama has chains he can fire to reel himself in to other parts of the track and over gaps for shortcuts.
Ehecatl Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) He's like Aizen if he was actually entertaining to watch; you love the magnificent bastard they are, but good god you wish they would lose at something. And yes, I did love it when Ragna finally handed him his ass....if only it didn't further his own plans, but hey it's something. He hasn't really been defeated because the story hasn't reached it's climax yet where the villain gets his ass handed to him truly, for good and all. He'll get his though. It seems Chrono Phantasma is getting there though because there are a few scenes where Terumi looks genuinely caught off guard. Hakumen's story does have a nice scene of him getting owned though. He appears so smug about his victory over Jubei and Hakumen and then he ends up being the one getting screwed. Loved listening to that weasel so pissed and scared shitless when Jubei pulls a trump card on him and he's all "Wait... are you serious? What is this!? Why- Why didn't anyone tell me about this!? Hey. Hey come on guys. Hey, this isn't funny! Wait!! I said WAIT goddamn it!!!" In the Blazblue world, it was mentioned that the boundary was the place where memories are stored, and possibilities. I'm not sure if the boundary and the Master unit are considered the same thing or heavily connected in function. If the boundary was cut off, or maybe the Master unit destroyed, then this memory would be gone, preventing time travel and fun stuff. The Boundary is all the unobserved possibilities. It is the contents of a closed box in Schrodinger's Cat Theory. It is therefore infinite in size and possibility as everything there would be considered true and false simultaneously. So every action that could happen and every possible alternate universe not observed is the Boundary. The Azure is within all of that and is considered where all timelines and all possibilities intersect. To control the Azure is to control fate itself and stitch it together as one sees fit. The master unit is something we don't know much about. It sounds like another Boundary Interface Device but we know nothing else about it. Or at least I don't. I've yet to know it's function though like Takamagahara, it has the capacity to observe every possibility and interfere accordingly (and presumably has been this whole time). Takamagahara wanted to destroy it to remove it's influence and thus bring all possible outcomes under it's control so that it could create an ordered existence and select how every possible choice would be executed by observing only what it desires while not observing any choice that threatens that order. In such a world, there would be no such thing as "choice". It would decide everything and the world would continue a very fatalistic existence. Until this point, the Master Unit has acted as that element of chaos, preventing Takamagahara from deciding everything. For what purpose is unknown at this time. Edited January 25, 2013 by Ehecatl
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Stay on topic guys. pffts bwahahahaha Okay okay okay. ... I bet in CP there's an alternative universe timeline where the Imperator decides to hold a racing competition that decides... *etc*
Ehecatl Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Okay okay okay. ... I bet in CP there's an alternative universe timeline where the Imperator decides to hold a racing competition that decides... *etc* Everything we do is a choice, whether witting or unwittingly. Everything from whether we choose to buy a house to whether we take a breathe immediately or a second later to whether a bug decides to move left or right along the ground. Considering that every single millisecond "stuff" is happening, that means choices are always being made. Every choice is likened unto an alternate universe so by this theory, there are literally infinite universes split along every miniscule and major choice. In other words-- yes. Why wouldn't there be an alternate timeline where the Imperator decides to hold a racing competition? :D EDIT: Which makes me wonder how the hell anything-- Takamagahara, the Master Unit, or Terumi could observe EVERY possibility. How does one observe.... infinity. Edited January 25, 2013 by Ehecatl
Surf Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 *Attempts to catch up on discussion from the last page* I can't see BlazBlue Kart being anything but amazing. I can already see Tager using magnetism to slow you down so he wins. Nah, Jin would win instantly; he'd freeze the entire track so every slips and try to run Ragna off the road as much as possible. I'd find it that ragna would be the most useless character in that mode. Inferno Divider = Feather + Star You'd think Tsubaki would be the most useless, I mean, blinding items are rarely effective in kart racers unless coupled with faux item boxes... that would be pointless though because Hazama would always be in first anyway He should just get a sign that insults everyone behind him. (this is more entertaining than actually discussing the story) ....... I bet in CP there's an alternative universe timeline where the Imperator decides to hold a racing competition that decides...
mitsuyoshi Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Since when was Takamagahara a prototype of the Master Unit? WHERE was that even stated? Takamagahara was created by HUMANS Oops.. sorry what i mean is man made Amaterasu,i just using a wrong word to describe it. Okay okay okay. ... I bet in CP there's an alternative universe timeline where the Imperator decides to hold a racing competition that decides... *etc* Ptff... i..think..it..will..be..good..as..her..gag...end..i..can't..hold...it..anymore,lolololololololol.
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