00Bubbles00 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 OMG its the NEMESIS HORIZON at WURK! That's probably what the JP speculation is. Something happens in the CP game story to explain, so Phase Shift helps with the game sales or vice versa.
mAc Chaos Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Maybe CP Rachel takes CP Ragna to the past so that's why she's there.
NovaFortuna Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Dude, all these things are making me want the console version more badly... Say, on another point, but...what is Terumi and what is his objective exactly? I mean if it was destruction for the lulz he could have just let the Black Beast roam free or just make another one, but his plans are awfully complicated to be something that simple.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Him & Relius are trying to kill the Master Unit, probably so they can effectively have control of everything.
TPPR10 Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Going bit back to Amane, now that we know that "Bushin" means "Dance of God" (not "Dance God", like Tokkan said), how we should think how does Amane relate to the story? On side story related note, we might have been wondering "Why would Ada take part of Relius' experiment"? I personally have a theory that Ada has '"Well Done, Son" Guy' (look it up on TvTropes) relation with Relius. If we think that Relius wanted Carl to be the next of kin to conintue his projects, Ada would be a unwanted daughter to him. As such, Ada probally took part of Relius' Nirvana project to show that she has some worth to him.
SoWL Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Going bit back to Amane, now that we know that "Bushin" means "Dance of God" (not "Dance God", like Tokkan said), how we should think how does Amane relate to the story? Actually, I believe that it's still "God of Dancing". The kanji literally read "Dance God", though if they swapped places, it'd be "God Dance".
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Clearly, it's indicative that Amane is commanding God to dance for his amusement.
Rishtopher Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Going bit back to Amane, now that we know that "Bushin" means "Dance of God" (not "Dance God", like Tokkan said), how we should think how does Amane relate to the story? On side story related note, we might have been wondering "Why would Ada take part of Relius' experiment"? I personally have a theory that Ada has '"Well Done, Son" Guy' (look it up on TvTropes) relation with Relius. If we think that Relius wanted Carl to be the next of kin to conintue his projects, Ada would be a unwanted daughter to him. As such, Ada probally took part of Relius' Nirvana project to show that she has some worth to him. The thing about Ada sounds kinda plausible, given that we know she volunteered. Do we know anything about Ignis' circumstances in becoming...uh Fluctus Redactum "Ignis"? On Amane: I feel like he'll end up kinda like Rachel, in that she seemingly knows everything but is always vague and whimsical. Either that, or he'll be a complete joke and only get relevance in the next game (please be the former!). Maybe that short conversation they had will get some expansion in the story mode and reveal way more than it's letting on right now but I don't really remember Rachel being forthcoming with explanations to anyone about anything.
NovaFortuna Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 On Amane: I feel like he'll end up kinda like Rachel, in that she seemingly knows everything but is always vague and whimsical. Either that, or he'll be a complete joke and only get relevance in the next game (please be the former!). Maybe that short conversation they had will get some expansion in the story mode and reveal way more than it's letting on right now but I don't really remember Rachel being forthcoming with explanations to anyone about anything. Well, Mori did say in an interview that he would try to make Rachel explain herself better this time around.
mMarikom Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 I feel like Ada would have volunteered to save Carl. Kid seems to have a strong soul. Nothing on Makoto or anything but still...
Rishtopher Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 I feel like Ada would have volunteered to save Carl. Kid seems to have a strong soul. Nothing on Makoto or anything but still... On the soul thing: I thought the reason Relius was interested in her soul was because it had a high potential for hatred? I didn't think it had to be "strong", necessarily. IIRC, he needed a similar type of soul for Ignis so he could use the lynchpin. I thought that was why he almost saw potential in Carl at one point, even stating that he may yet live up to the Clover name for stoking his hatred thus far. I'm also pretty sure he said Ada was a failure. Now that I'm reading your comment, it could be that Ada had too much love for Carl, which made it soul less viable to Relius. Anyone remember anything I mentioned, or am I just talking out of my bum here?
TPPR10 Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 I quess the hatred in one's soul might support Ada's and Relius' relation with eachother. Ada grew hate Relius due of him discarding her so much, that Relius took interest in her soul to be experimented upon. Ada probally argeed to take part on her father's experiment to show she isn't worthless as Relius has said to her, but Ada's kindness to Carl made her soul eventually worthless to Relius. Note: Ada might not had idea what Relius wanted. ...This des bring up a point why Ignis gave better result. Relius probally gave up on Nirvana because finishing something what would be a failure would be waste of time. So the fact that he finished up Ignis would mean that her wife's soul was better suited for this. So was Ignis hatred filled deep in her heart or did the Nirvana project made her so mad that Relius took the chance to use his wife for his experiment.
mAc Chaos Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Maybe Ada volunteered to stop Relius from using Carl instead.
Lou_Cypher Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Here's a thought. Maybe Igniz was never actually that good of a person in the first place. Maybe she and Relius are more like the Eris family from the Legend of the Legendary Heroes. They don't care about the morality of stuff, just that it gets some results.
TPPR10 Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) You know what, I think Ignis might be one of the characters we know the least of. Carl never talks about her and then people talka bout Ignis, they don't really bring Ignis [person] up as much as Ignis [Nox] Edited February 14, 2013 by TPPR10
Rishtopher Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 To be honest, I always thought that she'd be kind of evil at least. For one, I don't see Relius being able to fake love (not to say that it's impossible). If he did like her, it's because he saw potential in her soul before they got involved. I figured Ignis might've been someone with a similar type of personality but hopefully we get actual facts at some point. Maybe I'll stop here actually. I don't want to shut down the Ignis talk, but there's so much we don't know that we can't even start somewhere. The only thing that's pretty much guaranteed is that she had plenty of hatred to be able to satisfy Relius' plans. At least with Ada, we know that she loved Carl, and thanks to Carl's memory, we have a vague sense of her personality (maybe someone like Litchi, without the monster love). Actually, this isn't much either... Does Relius make an appearance in the Phase Shift novels? Anything we learned in there useful? I'm guessing we'll learn a lot about Ignis in the next game because of that lynchpin business at least.
TPPR10 Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I always think that Relius and Ignis got together due of work related stuff. And to be honest, those who claim "Ada did it to safe Carl", I want to ask then why would Relius put Carl into Military Academy, if he was going to dispose of Carl anyway? He should ahve a motive to get a child, and if its to test it's soul, so putting him in the highest possible school some one can get into would be waste or resourches and time (even if it would be fairly simple thing to do, with Relius being colonel and buddies with Hazama)
Tong Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Relius lost some of his memories when he time travelled. Maybe he was just your usual guy that fell in love.
Rishtopher Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Was it actual memory loss? I thought it was that he was dazed and lacking "years of experiential data" due to him time travelling.
Vulcan422 Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Was it actual memory loss? I thought it was that he was dazed and lacking "years of experiential data" due to him time travelling. Yeah. Amnesia.
Rishtopher Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Welp, I guess it's possible then. Seems far-fetched to me personally, but in this game, stranger things have happened.
mAc Chaos Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 He didn't seem to have amnesia from his story mode. Was just dazed after the time jump, but he remembers freakin' Terumi of all people.
Rishtopher Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 He didn't seem to have amnesia from his story mode. Was just dazed after the time jump, but he remembers freakin' Terumi of all people. Oh man, I forgot about the Terumi part. It doesn't necessarily discount the amnesia but I'm still of the opinion that it was just a temporary daze and not an actual loss of memory. I'm getting really tired of saying this, but I guess we'll have to wait for story mode to shed some light on his circumstances >__> Maybe I'll go replay the story this weekend. I barely remember anything.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Pfft like story mode actually ever sheds light on anything.
Dawn of Musou Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Didn't he slowly gain his memories back as time passed by?
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