Yaaay Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 People are just trying to understand stuff, that's normal. And seriously, if you think this is bad. Go see some Zelda forums. At least Zelda's plotline is worthy enough to deserve some discussion. Naruto forums is where the stupidity is really at.
TPPR10 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Oh dear, this thread hasn't had almost any activity lately. So let's put some light into it: Who you think might be currently (second) strongest of the Six Heroes? Note, currently as almost all of them have some sort of power decrease, with Valkenhayn being quite old, Jube being injured by Phantom, Nine herself is Phantom so she doesn't have any control what she does, Trinity is trapped inside Muchorin and Platinum probally being a weak body, Hakumen operates only at 30% of his max power (more, if he is getting stronger as the time goes), with only Hazama being the one with no possible weaknening effect, though he might have been the weakest of them.
Vulcan422 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 IMO the order goes like this (from strongest to weakest in everybody's status at the time of CP) 1. Phantom (If she really is Nine, because even while brainwashed she is still the most powerful mage of all time) 2. Hazama (Yes, Terumi is in 2nd place, because despite having no limitations on his power, he was still beaten and brainwashed by Nine) 2. Hakumen (Tied with Hazama because he has been shown to be able to keep up with some of the most powerful entities in the series in combat, also possesses the Power of Order, which allows him to make any phenomenon he wishes occur in ALL possible timelines) 4. Valkenhayn (Aside from being extremely strong even in old age, he doesn't actually have much going for him. He can keep up with Hakumen relatively well but with Hazama it depends on whether the plot wills it so) 4. Jubei (Tied with Valk for 4th because we haven't actually seen him do anything other than use Sekigan in a flashback, which makes him teleport himsel and a target in opposite places) 6, Platinum (Despite being a really good mage and having the power to create magical carousel horseys to ride on, she's easily the weakest of the bunch)
TPPR10 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Oh yeah, I forgot that Nine controlled Terumi temporality before Terumi broke out of it. Though I did say "currently" and due the fact Phantom is now (indirectly probally) Hazama's bitch, so that would, in my opinion, either tie her or put her right under Hazama.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 1. Nine - BLM 2. Terumi - THF 3. Haku-men - SAM 4. Jubei - SAM 5. Valkenhayn - MNK 6. Platinum - WHM I suppose I should have actually read the posts first.
heavymetalmixer Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Isn't Jubei supossed tobe "The strongest creature alive"?
LionHeartx Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Isn't Jubei supossed tobe "The strongest creature alive"? Yeah I remember a few characters hyping up Jubei in the story plus he's a cat........ ..with a sword. I wouldn't fuck with em.
YoYoCheese Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Isn't Jubei supossed tobe "The strongest creature alive"? I think that that just means that Jubei is physically the strongest creature alive, which doesn't really say anything about his skill (which is, to be honest, probably pretty high), his speed (which is probably... above average?), or his ability to use magic (which is probably pretty low). Physical strength is only one part of overall combat ability, after all.
YukiBlue Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I think to gain the title of "The strongest creature alive" You would need to be a lot more than physically strong... I think the term strong in this context to applies to everything.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I think Jubei only has that title because of a few things: Hakumen was gone for over 90 years Valkenhayn didn't really try to make a name for himself and remained as the Alucard's butler. Nine was thought dead. Trinity was inside Muchorin. Hazama was also in the boundary till recently. So it's more of circumstance than anything. Not that I think Jubei is weak, he should be damn strong considering his title, but I think the "strongest in the world" is bit of an exaggeration. We haven't seen much of what Jubei can do compared to the rest of the Heroes. Even at 20%, Hakumen was already above almost all of the younger cast. Valkenhayn managed to beat Relius whom was able to subdue most of the cast prior to their fight. Hazama has an Azure Grimoire, and essentially puts forth no real effort when fighting anyone.
kylehyde Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I don't know, I truly feel that Jubei is the strongest out of all the heroes. We haven't seen much of his abilities but their highly regarded by the characters who know him best. He has certainly earned all of their respect. I know I sound crazy for saying this, but even Hakumen at a 100 percent probably couldn't beat Jubei.
mitsuyoshi Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I don't know, I truly feel that Jubei is the strongest out of all the heroes. We haven't seen much of his abilities but their highly regarded by the characters who know him best. He has certainly earned all of their respect. I know I sound crazy for saying this, but even Hakumen at a 100 percent probably couldn't beat Jubei. I agree with you,because even Hakumen admit that Jubei is stronger than him and he admit it during the flashback before Hakumen and Terumi getting trowed into the boundary and that mean Hakumen admit him to be stronger than him when he was still 100% and he provide a master rule and master is usually the strongest character beside main character,so i really want to see his true power and i know Hakumen and the rest of the hero is strong,but usually is a trap to make us think Hakumen is the strongest while Jubei is hiding behind the screen as the true strongest characters in the current story.
TPPR10 Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Keep in mind that the claim of him being "strongest living thing" might be really old. Like, he might be physically second oldest member of the Six Heroes, if not oldest (we don't know how old Vankenhayn and Jubei are) and if you think that Jubei hasn't fought in long time, his skills are probally rusty. I am not saying he isn't powerful, I am saying that like Hazama said once "Your age is showing". Also, if you bring argument that Hazama fears Jubei, I think Hazama simply hates Jubei for what he did and how much of a nuisance he can be.
YoYoCheese Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I don't know, I truly feel that Jubei is the strongest out of all the heroes. We haven't seen much of his abilities but their highly regarded by the characters who know him best. He has certainly earned all of their respect. I know I sound crazy for saying this, but even Hakumen at a 100 percent probably couldn't beat Jubei. Wasn't it mentioned at some point that the Six Heroes vs. Black Beast fight was more Hakumen w\ some assists vs. the Black Beast than a team of legendary warriors vs. the Black Beast or something like that?
Tokkan Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Wasn't it mentioned at some point that the Six Heroes vs. Black Beast fight was more Hakumen w\ some assists vs. the Black Beast than a team of legendary warriors vs. the Black Beast or something like that? False. That is NEVER stated anywhere.
LionHeartx Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 yeah aside from them saying Hakumen was the leader I dont recall them saying anything about Hakumen doing the majority of the fighting/carrying everyone else.
harmless kitten Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Hakumen probably had the strongest resolve, and it was him personally that delivered the final blow (at least in his short story, idk about Phase Shift 4). I always took "strongest creature alive" to mean physically strong--Jubei is capable of stopping a punch from Tager with one paw (yes I know Tager hadn't put as much strength into it as he could have). But considering Jubei wields his swords with his mouth and tail, I question how much strength exactly he can put into his slashes. Looks hilarious though.
mAc Chaos Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I always took Jubei as being stronger than anyone originally, but he fit into the "strong guy that doesn't want to fight" archetype that has to be convinced to join the fray in every shounen story ever. He was a coward at first after all.
Mr.Gluttonous Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 My list of strongest to weakest Six Heroes currently is: 1. Terumi 2. Hakumen 3. Phantom 4. Jubei 5. Valkenhayn 6. Platinum That being said, I don't think it's that simple. As I type I keep thinking that 2-4 are interchangeable. Hakumen and (I think) Terumi have referred to Jubei as the strongest creature alive. That being said, it was implied that he was ruffed-up by Phantom in the events that take place in CS. On the other hand he did go on to fight Relius, which I don't think is easy for anyone to do, especially when injured. There is also no evidence that Hakumen wouldn't get ruffed-up by Phantom also. However, even though de-powered, it's always Hakumen who gets called upon to do the hard work which buggers me a bit. Surely if Jubei is as strong as hyped up to be, Rachel would go calling on him to help take down Terumi instead of Hakumen. I mean, I do get that Hakumen is/was an unfortunately easy pawn to manipulate in his current state while still capable of fighting at a high-class, and I do get that Jubei may not want to get involved for whatever reason(s), but it doesn't even seem like the ask Jubei option comes/came to Rachel's mind... Ever... Maybe I'm just being a blind fanboy though. After all we haven't seen Jubei actually properly fight. On a slightly different note, how did nine get the opportunity to cast Mind Eater on Terumi? Did she lull him into a false sense of security and quickly shout out "MIND EATER" before he could react (like word tag)?
mitsuyoshi Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Well,i don't think being physically strong is enough to gain approval from someone as arrogant as Hakumen,you know from Hakumen personality is almost impossible to gain approval from someone like him who is truly arrogant and really looking down to the other,so i say Jubei is stronger than Hakumen because he can even gain approval from someone like him,because if is just physically stronger than he will say Tager is stronger than Jubei or close to Jubei and look at his attitude toward Tager,he really underestimate him and look when Jubei use his nox,his mental state doesn't appear to be effected at all and even Vallkenhayn respect him more than he usually do and not just that it looks like he still holding back because he even know more than Hakumen about the time loops and you can say his knowledge about the time loop is close to Rachel and that is enough to say he is stronger than Hakumen and because he lose to Phantom is enough to call him weaker than Hakumen?surely is not cause there's no way anyone will still can fight properly against his suppose death wife,i mean what your reaction when your wife is death and you meet her again as a enemy?surely you will be shock and cannot concentrated to do anything just stand around in disbelieve of what happen in front if you and trying to talk to her instead of fighting and if you know Jubei surely is hard to give him any order because instead of obeying it he just gonna do what he like and even Rachel is still having a hard time to pinpoint his location.
Chaoschao222 Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Didn't we just get off of theory power levels....
harmless kitten Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I always took Jubei as being stronger than anyone originally, but he fit into the "strong guy that doesn't want to fight" archetype that has to be convinced to join the fray in every shounen story ever. He was a coward at first after all. I don't think he was much of a coward? He certainly doesn't seem like it in P0. Did he describe himself as a coward in that Haku flashback? If he did, I think he's just being hard on himself for not finding a way for Ragna to live even though there was no other option. Nine casting Mind Eater on Terumi had something to do with the end of Phase Shift 1, I think. My memory is fuzzy. He may have been weakened from his fight with Tomonori. IIRC he's under the spell by P0. Ingame, Rachel probably never asks Jubei because she knows he wouldn't fight for her. We all know the real reason why she doesn't ask.
kylehyde Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Rachel probably never asks Jubei because she knows he wouldn't fight for her. We all know the real reason why she doesn't ask. What's the real reason? I actually have no idea xD.
mAc Chaos Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I don't think he was much of a coward? He certainly doesn't seem like it in P0. Did he describe himself as a coward in that Haku flashback? If he did, I think he's just being hard on himself for not finding a way for Ragna to live even though there was no other option. Nine casting Mind Eater on Terumi had something to do with the end of Phase Shift 1, I think. My memory is fuzzy. He may have been weakened from his fight with Tomonori. IIRC he's under the spell by P0. Ingame, Rachel probably never asks Jubei because she knows he wouldn't fight for her. We all know the real reason why she doesn't ask. If I recall in P0 or whatever it was, he refused to fight and was in hiding, until he got inspired by Bloodedge and his sacrifice. Then he decided to join the cause.
mitsuyoshi Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 As much as i like Jubei,i have to admit he is a coward and have a weak heart,Jubei is a coward and have a weak heart because he running away from the truth so many time,he changing his name to run away,abandon his daughter to run away and smiling and pretending he doesn't shock to run away,he is really frail inside just a little more push and he will fall in to the depths of despair and cannot rise for the rest of his life.
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