[CP] Amane Nishiki Gameplay Discussion

[Toasty]

Thanks everyone. Hopefully everything will continue to run as smoothly as it has been. :3

And now that you are mod you get that star and fancy big avatar.

Oh wait...no you just get more work. :D

Love you Toasty. <3

<33333

Wait, more work? What have I done? D:

[Rishtopher]

Congrats on achieving modly status, despite me thinking you were this thread's mod beforehand lol.

I thought that too o.o I could've sworn you had the star and everything! Ah well, congrats!

[SolarMisae]

Lol he was already a mod before this just he was mod of the Relius section.

[NumeroGaijin]

Does 2B OTG not combo into 2D drill or whichever is the up drill??

[DerQ]

Does 2B OTG not combo into 2D drill or whichever is the up drill??

Which drill, the ground one that leads into 6D, the ground to ground normal? The ground to air? I don't think 2b OTG will ever link into any drill btw.

Also, been catching up videos a bit:

http://youtu.be/EqP7SgqEJm4?t=16m4s *Chuckle* Timing specific bursts to our advantage.

http://youtu.be/x9Ngujw-Tr0?t=4m55s Omg this looks like a wacky starter, but it's so good. j.2C Counter hit start

http://youtu.be/oKcjaalui10?t=9m31s 5D level 2 counter hit into hariken drill. The damage is so bad though...

http://youtu.be/oKcjaalui10?t=9m39s Counter hit counter assault combos into 2C into full combo? 0.o Fabulous

http://youtu.be/oKcjaalui10?t=10m38s This maybe just for me, but I was wondering if you could fabhop twice in a row, it's pretty fast.

[Toasty]

http://youtu.be/oKcjaalui10?t=9m39s Counter hit counter assault combos into 2C into full combo? 0.o Fabulous

Nah they just didn't tech fast enough so it was technically a reset. You'll notice the 2C is considered the first hit of the combo. It is nice that 2C can force a neutral tech from so far away though.

[FatalCounter]

I also want to thank you Toasty!!!! Happy for the clarification about high and mid attacks. You know what I come from Capcom universe, I only begin to play BB in 2010.

Great mod. BTW, Given that you are also playing as Relius, if you have some new tech please share them with me.

[Eternal Blaze]

Woot we get a fabolous mod for a fabolous character ^__^

[Aloci]

http://youtu.be/oKcjaalui10?t=10m38s This maybe just for me, but I was wondering if you could fabhop twice in a row, it's pretty fast.

Yup, you can cancel faphop into fabhop!

It's visually confusing, and I feel that it's currently underutilized by Amane players.

Jump > Airdash x Fabhop x Fabhop gives him great mobility options.

[DerQ]

Yup, you can cancel faphop into fabhop!

It's visually confusing, and I feel that it's currently underutilized by Amane players.

Jump > Airdash x Fabhop x Fabhop gives him great mobility options.

While yes it does, it's only a good tool if your opponent proves he can react to a fabhop in the first place and do something about it. Havn't seen that much people do it yet lol.

Nah they just didn't tech fast enough so it was technically a reset. You'll notice the 2C is considered the first hit of the combo. It is nice that 2C can force a neutral tech from so far away though.

How did I missed that :/

Edited December 19, 2012 by DerQ

[Rishtopher]

Lol he was already a mod before this just he was mod of the Relius section.

LOL ok that explains a lot. I was thinking "Wasn't he the Relius guy? Maybe I'm wrong, I saw Kurushii in the thread more often, so I probably just don't remember". Thanks for clearing that up lol.

Also, that Amane can combo into his astral really has me excited :D

[Aloci]

While yes it does, it's only a good tool if your opponent proves he can react to a fabhop in the first place and do something about it. Havn't seen that much people do it yet lol.

I look forward to fishing for counterhits with that against opponents that like to AA me out of fabhop :3

[Boodendorf]

Jourdal's channel shut down when I was about to watch that new Amane video, ugh, damn... Also fabhops double cancels sound so good, can't wait to mess around with this.

[SolarMisae]

fml Jourdal's channel being gone...just when I got the thread looking the way I wanted it.

orz

god damn it YT....god....damn it.

[Eternal Blaze]

Wow its really gone? wtf happened D:

K finally got into reading the document properly (was always on my phone >_>), a few things:

- I'm almost 100% sure that I've seen 623C being air-blocked, IIRC it was an Amane vs Hakumen match and the Amane was fishing for it hella hard and at one point the Haku jumped and air-blocked it.. I'd try to find the video but Jourdal's channel gone so <__>

- Do we know if the C normals have a hurtbox on them? like, if you throw out a 5C being max range and Ragna ID's the scarf, would Amane get hit?

I've seen Bursts touch the scarf but Amane was unharmed, but I'm asking coz Axl's chains were the same way yet if someone hit the Chains they counted as part of his hitbox, I ate countless Johnny supers for throwing out stupid chain limbs from full-screen away.

- Is there any footage that shows his D normals being projectiles? I thought it was only Hariken and 6D that are confirmed as projectiles..

- There's no j.4C IIRC, its only j.5C, j.6C and j.2C.

- Is there any footage of Raibu being punished? I remember seeingsome matches where people would RC it on block and read a few posts saying its punishable but I dont think I've seen any footage of it being punished. The pushback on it seems pretty decent and he recovers relatively quickly so I'm curious..

I've seen Gosei get punished though

- I thought his air C normals are only cancellable into fabhop? and you'd have to go j._C xx faphop xx Gosei to combo? at least thats the notation that was in the combo video posted a while back.

Edit: nvm looks like thats just to get the proper spacing for the j.236C to combo ^_^;

[DerQ]

- Is there any footage that shows his D normals being projectiles? I thought it was only Hariken and 6D that are confirmed as projectiles..

There was some early footage of Amane vs. Azrael. Azrael's DP/stance allows him to absorb projectiles and he did on Amane 5D and it never hit.

[SolarMisae]

Ugh I'll clear out all the dead links later. This sucks.

Ah well.

[FatalCounter]

OMG they closed Jourdal channel!!!!!

-All his D moves are projectiles, I saw Azrael absorbing them with his special.

-Far away all his C moves except the 3C doesn't have hurtbox, On some videos even the burst couldn't hit Amane. BTW Kokujin Yukikaze don't block Amane, he can move even if Haku or Jin are performing the counter after being touched by a 5C, 2C, j5C and j2C .

-236c and j236C are definitely punishable. According to the unofficial proration data I have, 236C is -8 and j236 is -9 on block.

-All his C moves are drive and special cancellable. for example; 2C > 5D works but not a true blockstring.

Edit, I am sorry but even if I love the character, I don't have all the names of his specials in mind yet.

Maybe 623C is air-blockable but not sure though.

Edited December 20, 2012 by FatalCounter

[DerQ]

https://twitter.com/jourdal/status/281539940569972736 Death by overexposure to fabulousness

[Eternal Blaze]

https://twitter.com/jourdal/status/281539940569972736 Death by overexposure to fabulousness

LOOOOOL too good, Amane too fab for youtube xD

-All his D moves are projectiles, I saw Azrael absorbing them with his special.

Oh yeah I think I remember that now, derp..

-Far away all his C moves except the 3C doesn't have hurtbox, On some videos even the burst couldn't hit Amane. BTW Kokujin Yukikaze don't block Amane, he can move even if Haku or Jin are performing the counter after being touched by a after being a 5C, 2C, j5C and j2C .

That doesnt really prove that they dont have a hurtbox.. as I mentioned in the last post Axl's chains also did that where bursts wont hit Axl if they touched the chain but they still count as limbs (they clash, extend his hitbox, get hit/countered etc).

-236c and j236C are definitely punishable. According to the unofficial proration data I have, 236C is -8 and j236 is -9 on block.

I know that its punishable "on paper", it has pushback on it though and so far I havent seen anyone punish it in any of the Amane vids which is why I was asking.

-I don't know if it is possible for a air special to be air unblockable. Only specials that are air unblockables are DPs and some supers (only blockables with barrier).

???

Who said anything about air specials? I'm talking about Gekiren (623C), the document that derQ has mentions that its air unblockable. I was stating that I'm pretty sure that I've seen footage of it being air-blocked.

[Toasty]

Also, that Amane can combo into his astral really has me excited :D

I remember seeing 5D > Astral in one vid, and iirc it was lvl 1 drill too. It doesn't get much easier than that as far as Astral combos go.

And I sandbag for Astrals all the time too, so this is something I'm mad hype about.

Ugh I'll clear out all the dead links later. This sucks.

Ah well.

Don't worry, I'll clear out all the dead links. It's the least I could do after all you've done. :3

I know that its punishable "on paper", it has pushback on it though and so far I havent seen anyone punish it in any of the Amane vids which is why I was asking.

I've seen an opponent attempt to punish it but fail, so my guess is that it pushes Amane far enough back to make it very difficult to punish to the point where the opponent will have to react as quickly as possible with a fast move to do so. Of course this doesn't mean it's a good idea to throw it out at neutral at random anyway, since you're probably only gonna get away with it once.

[haketh]

Man Valk matchup looks rough, that character always owns my characters souls.

[SolarMisae]

Don't worry, I'll clear out all the dead links. It's the least I could do after all you've done. :3

Mad thanks man. So sad that we lost so many videos. D:

[Aloci]

So apparently Jiyuna is saying that Aname is low tier.

Bottom 2 actually.

[DerQ]

http://youtu.be/8d6JIBjHm0Q?t=21m57s Dat combo

So apparently Jiyuna is saying that Aname is low tier.

Bottom 2 actually.

I feel it's only because he gets shitted on by matchups like litchi/tao/valk where if you get hit once, you have to block for over 15 seconds. Combine that with the fact that nearly every move he has has big recovery. When Amane whiffs something, if the opponent can move with ease, it's a free punish. That alone makes your job harder and forces a mentality of "don't fuck up once". It's not that he's bad, it's that some matchups will be drastically difficult for him. A bit like potemkin, certain matchups have answers for the character's flaws and this makes matchups hard/impossible.

But... Theory crafting lololol