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I will personally miss spark bolt guard crushes into 720 fullscreen though. That was just pure rapture.

Ctrlaltwtf

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45 degree Spark Bolt will vastly improve Tager's potential, seriously. There's no way in hell you'll be able to dodge it in midair (granted Tager aims with some semblance of intelligence), and if you decide not to jump, then you're obviously stuck on the ground

which is what Tager likes

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Haz/Tao have such an easy time floating around in CSE but they won't be able to do all that for shit in CP. They'll have to be way more cautious.

Skye

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Tao would never jump to dodge spark.

Ctrlaltwtf

Ctrlaltwtf

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Tao would never jump to dodge spark.

But she would jump to do just about anything. Not to mention the closer you get to the corner, the more likely she's going to try to jump away.

There's no point pretending like 45 degree SB won't help.

Moy_X7

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^ That

Crawl > Spark Bolt

Edit: If Tao has the health lead, she really doesn't have to do anything but keep out of 2D range and bait the Bolt lol.

Hazama though, I guess he'll have to be more careful.

Darlos9D

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I will personally miss spark bolt guard crushes into 720 fullscreen though. That was just pure rapture.

Sigh, it is a tragedy that we're losing that possibility. I scored so many ragequits with that shit online.

^ That

Crawl > Spark Bolt

Edit: If Tao has the health lead, she really doesn't have to do anything but keep out of 2D range and bait the Bolt lol.

Hazama though, I guess he'll have to be more careful.

That just means against Tao, you just walk forward. If she just crawls on the ground the whole time then you're getting the advantage. Eventually she has to either attack or jump.

Maybe there's a bunch of dumb Tagers who will just blindly blow spark, but I won't be one of them. I'll hold onto that shit and lumber forward threateningly.

Moy_X7

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That just means against Tao, you just walk forward. If she just crawls on the ground the whole time then you're getting the advantage. Eventually she has to either attack or jump.

That's exactly why Tager vs zoners/fast movement character matches are a snore to watch lol.

Maybe there's a bunch of dumb Tagers who will just blindly blow spark, but I won't be one of them. I'll hold onto that shit and lumber forward threateningly.

Yeah, just having a Spark at the ready is enough to force the opponent to be a lot more careful. Yet most Tagers just blow that thing the moment they get it which means a free bait for me lol.

Darlos9D

Darlos9D

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That's exactly why Tager vs zoners/fast movement character matches are a snore to watch lol.

Oh yeah they're a snorefest to watch.

But when you're PLAYING that shit man, you feel like goddamn Sun Tzu. Walking forward and watching the opponent being like "oh shit what do I do WHAT DO I DO."

It used to just be dumb people who acted like that, but with diagonal spark you can get that shit even out of vets who are used to just jumping their way to victory. I'm SO looking forward to it.

Skye

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How close will you have to be to do anything and not risk a CH. Tao is equally as dangerous in you're face on the offensive as she is elusive full screen. Not going to hit the realms of theory fighter, but the fact of the matter never changed. Not saying it won't help at all, but imo, it won't help significantly enough for Tao to change her course of action when the agenda is spark evasion.

Akira-Shiro

Akira-Shiro

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How close will you have to be to do anything and not risk a CH. Tao is equally as dangerous in you're face on the offensive as she is elusive full screen. Not going to hit the realms of theory fighter, but the fact of the matter never changed. Not saying it won't help at all, but imo, it won't help significantly enough for Tao to change her course of action when the agenda is spark evasion.

I agree,, but Tao is just.. well, she's Tao. Not much u can do about her. No matter how many buffs carl gets that will forever be a 6-4 matchup in my book. The bitch has been godlike since CT >.< AND NOBODY GIVES A FUCK. Pfff obviously yall niggas aint played Gio sensei

Osuna

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I think angled Spark Bolt and Air Buster will help with Taokaka and Hazama. I also feel like we're just beginning to see the potential of Grand Punish. With 50 heat, you can mix up your aerial approach and make it completely safe.

Edit: Maybe I overestimated the chances of Tager's guard getting broken lol. But the new changes do mean less barrier guarding.

...How? You couldn't save primers with barrier unless you only had 1. If anything this new system requires more barrier usage because that's how you block guard crushes. All of Tager's buffs look goofy besides the proration changes and his nerfs are notable. I mean, we'll see how it shakes out, but Tager is still lacking in fundamentals. Even more so now that his anti air game got nerfed to make more room for his goofy air game and his throws are slightly less worth being tager again.
STenSatsu

STenSatsu

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So just saw on stream a Tager do combo>collider>6c>GF whiff>5b>finish combo and it was all legit. Was on ragna but not sure how char specific it is. Was with magnetism on previous to combo.

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TagerTime

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So just saw on stream a Tager do combo>collider>6c>GF whiff>5b>finish combo and it was all legit. Was on ragna but not sure how char specific it is. Was with magnetism on previous to combo.

This is great news for Christmas!

Atomic Collider really comboed into 6c from midscreen? I can't wait to see this entire combo!

Osuna

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Colider mid screen into 6C was brought up a while ago, but was (supposedly) character specific and at the time the follow up was not nearly as cool. I hope we can do stuff for good damage without mag at least in the corner off colider. Extend got great combos off raw collider into the corner and I really don't want to lose the ability to come back from being cornered.

Ctrlaltwtf

Ctrlaltwtf

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So basically Collider counts as "downing" move now, thus you can use GF immediately after Collider without using 3C previously? (that's what you have to do in CSE)

Osuna

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So basically Collider counts as "downing" move now, thus you can use GF immediately after Collider without using 3C previously? (that's what you have to do in CSE)
I think so. Does anyone else remember a raw collider into GF? Did I hallucinate that?
STenSatsu

STenSatsu

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Colider mid screen into 6C was brought up a while ago, but was (supposedly) character specific and at the time the follow up was not nearly as cool. I hope we can do stuff for good damage without mag at least in the corner off colider. Extend got great combos off raw collider into the corner and I really don't want to lose the ability to come back from being cornered.

This exact situation actually happened in the second of the newest chariot vids Jourdal just posted. Osuban got 3900 meterless of raw colider into the corner.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19684415

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