[CP] Iron Tager Gameplay Discussion

[Manta]

Surely if AC into 2D (unmag) works with a little give, then AC, 6C works. And if we have that, then (OD) AC, 6C > 5D > 236B... works

Unrelatedly, I just noticed that negative penalty simply zeroes your barrier gauge now, giving you danger state. This is actually fairly important since it basically declares open season for crush triggers.

Edited December 27, 2012 by Manta

[Osuna]

Surely if AC into 2D (unmag) works with a little give, then AC, 6C works. And if we have that, then (OD) AC, 6C > 5D > 236B... works

Unrelatedly, I just noticed that negative penalty simply zeroes your barrier gauge now, giving you danger state. This is actually fairly important since it basically declares open season for crush triggers.

2D travels further and starts up faster, so I'm not sure that it is universal yet. Especially because if it was that easyand universal people would probably have been doing it from the start.

Having no barrier is much worse than just being guard breakable, it means they can't block most normals in the air.

Edited December 27, 2012 by Osuna

[Manta]

Having no barrier is much worse than just being guard breakable, it means they can't block most normals in the air.

Can't believe I just overlooked that. This might actually be very important in catching some people. A pity 623D is air-blockble.

[Nemesis]

omg... this game has so many air unblockables its not even funny -- thats devastating

[Manta]

Now al I want for christmas is 4D to be air unblockable. 5D would be good too.

[Darlos9D]

Can't believe I just overlooked that. This might actually be very important in catching some people. A pity 623D is air-blockble.

I was just dreaming about air-unblockable 623D earlier, myself. And I hadn't even considered negative penalty.

[Skye]

You guys have plenty, and they not only can be picked up into mag anyway, they also don't knock the enemy away.

[Osuna]

What characters have Really good air unblockables? I feel like a lot of people do better than our 5C

[Akira-Shiro]

Ragna the god, litchi the demi-god, Bang the almighty, and for AAs id say hmm Haku,, his 5a's a AA which surprised me to all hell.. An all his magatama moves iirc

[Manta]

Tager is weird in that his AUB moves don't actually reach all that high up. 2C and hammer excepted. There's always collider of course, but that's a true unblockable so not really relevant to this discussion.

[C0R]

What characters have Really good air unblockables? I feel like a lot of people do better than our 5C

µ 2c 5c chain on blocked antiair catches a lot of people.

[TagerTime]

LOL im gona have to make an air buster from midscreen compilation its just so fun to watch

This time against mu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4zMDFG2qus&feature=youtu.be#t=4m27s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4zMDFG2qus&feature=youtu.be#t=5m5s

[Darlos9D]

Good god. You could never pull somebody that far on the ground with a driver. That's some fun shit.

[Manta]

There's no ground friction in the air after all, but there does appear to be a maximum speed though.

[NumeroGaijin]

All that's missing is the gravity squeeze song lol

[Mike Z]

The way that Tager played after that round makes me wonder if both air busters were messed-up 720s. :^P

[Darlos9D]

Yeah he was a little underwhelming after that. Jumping into anti-airs and just letting her do stuff in the air while he had spark. Among other things I probably didn't notice.

[NumeroGaijin]

I wonder at which point can you rapid GP? I wonder if you can rapid after the smack while you are in the air still coming down. Maybe we could do an insta-elbow drop. Even if it's not worth it I think it may lead to some interesting opportunities hmm

[TagerTime]

I wonder at which point can you rapid GP? I wonder if you can rapid after the smack while you are in the air still coming down. Maybe we could do an insta-elbow drop. Even if it's not worth it I think it may lead to some interesting opportunities hmm

From the videos i have seen you can rapid anytime after the first hit in the air including after the belly flop.

i wish guren punish had projectile or super armor though.

Edited December 30, 2012 by TagerTime

[NumeroGaijin]

If it had SA then people would instantly cry about it and then we would get unnecessary attention to all our moves which would result in more nerfage. So yeah I am fine with it being how it is.

[Darlos9D]

It already lifts his body way up in the air and his arm isn't vulnerable. Or at least it doesn't look that way. It's actually a pretty defensive move already imo.

[TagerTime]

It already lifts his body way up in the air and his arm isn't vulnerable. Or at least it doesn't look that way. It's actually a pretty defensive move already imo.

i meant mainly for use against chars like Nu Mu Litchi and Platinum

[NumeroGaijin]

i meant mainly for use against chars like Nu Mu Litchi and Platinum

Lol what if it had mag

[TagerTime]

Lol what if it had mag

Even Better!!!!

Seriously though he swings his arm in the air just like he does with sledge. it would make more sense if GP had the green energy wave and projectile armor like sledge does.

EDIT:

Hmm well here is proof that Air buster is not invincible, but it is like A buster that it wont grab until you actually let go of the button.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGBOh3sb1Ns&feature=youtu.be#t=5m24s

Also in that video Rutent loses out on alot of damage because it appears he (like most tagers so far) doesn't know any of tagers new midscreen combos after gadget that have already been discoverd by other players.

just to review her are some new good damage mid screen combos for tager to use after gadget covering 3 different situations.

standing neutral

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAhXLoTFXS8#t=30s i dont know why most tagers still dont know by now that air hit A sledge is tagers new main midscreen combo route now. Also this new Tager Seioka is pretty good.

on backdashers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t3PyHFswrk&feature=youtu.be#t=9m21s (aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye)

on counter hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t3PyHFswrk&feature=youtu.be#t=15m43s By the way Yumura defeats Buppa to win the Kanasugi Chariot Tournament

Edited January 1, 2013 by TagerTime

[Manta]

Hmm well here is proof that Air buster is not invincible, but it is like A buster that it wont grab until you actually let go of the button.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGBOh3sb1Ns&feature=youtu.be#t=5m24s

Actually not buying that, if you look carefully Hakumen actually doublejumps against the downward pull of the driver. It seems that he was simply too high up and then boot to the head happened. If that's not what happened then airdrive has a centre of attraction that's above where his hand actually is reaching. I've otherwise seen far too many airdrivers connect at arms length to think it doesn't autograb, particularly when it seems unreasonable to assume the player could've reacted to what the opponent does.