Astaroth136 Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 Grapplers always have a hard time and they can't all be like astaroth from SC (who to me is an amazing grappler power house character). Astaroth really is the best-designed grappler imo. His damage output is very high, making the risk/reward game worth it, but it's not so high that he's broken. Like other grapplers, he can easily lose to rushdown, but his long range pokes makes up for that flaw. I could write a huge wall of text on why Astaroth (and the Soul Calibur series itself) is amazing... You guys better watch Final Round. I'm expecting to get at least top 8 in SC5. As for Tager, what is the Collider nerf everyone is mentioning? I haven't been keeping up with it too much.
Koopa_Klawz Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 Astaroth really is the best-designed grappler imo. His damage output is very high, making the risk/reward game worth it, but it's not so high that he's broken. Like other grapplers, he can easily lose to rushdown, but his long range pokes makes up for that flaw. I could write a huge wall of text on why Astaroth (and the Soul Calibur series itself) is amazing... You guys better watch Final Round. I'm expecting to get at least top 8 in SC5. As for Tager, what is the Collider nerf everyone is mentioning? I haven't been keeping up with it too much. It lost hard knockdown. Instead it bounces them real high into the air but they can tech before reaching the ground. So now you are more limited to what you can do after using AC.
Tofu Warrior Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 You guys better watch Final Round. I'm expecting to get at least top 8 in SC5. I'll definitely check out top 8 in that case, best of luck!
Astaroth136 Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) It lost hard knockdown. Instead it bounces them real high into the air but they can tech before reaching the ground. So now you are more limited to what you can do after using AC. Oh, I've noticed that. That's what we're complaining about? We still have combos from what I've seen. I thought it was a legitimate complaint like hitbox reduction or less magnetism pull. The j.D change still weirds me out. I'm gonna miss being able to combo a counterhit j.D midscreen, or setting up some weird tech traps off of normal hit. I also hate that corner 360's don't lead to 2B 2C stuff any more. Edited March 16, 2013 by Astaroth136
Osuna Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Oh, I've noticed that. That's what we're complaining about? We still have combos from what I've seen. I thought it was a legitimate complaint like hitbox reduction or less magnetism pull. The j.D change still weirds me out. I'm gonna miss being able to combo a counterhit j.D midscreen, or setting up some weird tech traps off of normal hit. I also hate that corner 360's don't lead to 2B 2C stuff any more.360 follow ups are only slightly worse than in Extend. I will also miss mid screen J.D combos and j.D proration. I'm still super scared that the AC follow up is character specific.
NumeroGaijin Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I believe the only guaranteed followup for AC is 2D. Agreed on j.D proration. I think that is one thing they could have kept for us. Here's (again) to hoping they don't secretly nerf us again. I still can't get over that. We weren't even broken yet they snipe us.
Darlos9D Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Well I think 5D works too, after AC. But nobody uses that because 2D puts you close to them I guess.
TagerTime Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I will also miss mid screen J.D combos. I have seen CP Tager do air hit J.D> land 5C combo midscreen before. I don't remember if it was CH or not, but it looked like he also could have did spark or AC instead of 5C as well.
A.X.I.S. Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 We finally got a Tager in arc revo that is not akira: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ym5tVBHcu3M#t=536s Pink no Akuma is his name.
Tofu Warrior Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Thanks for posting this, I've been jonesing for some CP Tager footage recently. My practice of typing "Chrono Phantasma Tager" into Youtube and sorting by "today" or "this week" hasn't been providing any results.
NumeroGaijin Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Yeah you aren't gonna find new matches that way. I have been looking for Akira still. Sometimes I wish I could just go to Japan just to roam the arcades like a creeper in a whole foods store.
Scottie Yosh Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I miss Akira the Tager. Something tells me he joined a band or something instead. He always looked like a rockstar from his photos. So dreamy
Koopa_Klawz Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Hi Brethren Sup Tager bro. Edited March 20, 2013 by Koopa_Klawz
Tofu Warrior Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Yeah you aren't gonna find new matches that way. I have been looking for Akira still. Sometimes I wish I could just go to Japan just to roam the arcades like a creeper in a whole foods store. It used to work, channels like jourdal or pktazn would upload tournaments in parts and label each video with the characters featured within. The videos seem to have dried up.
WolfCrimson Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Double posted here so that you self-hating Tager mains can cheer up for once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5WhwS5JjWkY#! Good tager player that has insane matches. The last round of the last match almost gave me a heart attack. I was cheering so hard for that Tager. Edited March 21, 2013 by WolfCrimson
StaSiS Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 StaSiS it's been awhile whats up? It's been waaaay too long. Lol I added you on live, but you ain't been on in like a week.... So yea get on that. Lol Sup Koopa! I lazy and don't feel like reading through the previous pages... General thoughts on CP Tager? Anyone? Everyone?
A.X.I.S. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Posted March 21, 2013 CP Tager is best Tager period. Pretty much the consensus. Also I don't have live but I can hop on later and accept it.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Double posted here so that you self-hating Tager mains can cheer up for once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5WhwS5JjWkY#! Good tager player that has insane matches. The last round of the last match almost gave me a heart attack. I was cheering so hard for that Tager. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5WhwS5JjWkY#!&t=9m0s Interesting combo on that vid. Can't imagine it's optimal doing AC at the very end though. Maybe he did it to manipulate his combo to make sure the enemy stayed in the corner? In that fight against Izayoi he uses OD as a buffer for 720, pretty nifty way to punish DDs Edited March 21, 2013 by Ctrlaltwtf
Darlos9D Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5WhwS5JjWkY#!&t=9m0s Interesting combo on that vid. Can't imagine it's optimal doing AC at the very end though. Maybe he did it to manipulate his combo to make sure the enemy stayed in the corner? In that fight against Izayoi he uses OD as a buffer for 720, pretty nifty way to punish DDs Yeah, I guess it lets you waste a few more frames so you can get past whatever startup invuln their super has. I guess if he had just done 720 he would have gotten hit?
StaSiS Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 CP Tager is best Tager period. Pretty much the consensus. Also I don't have live but I can hop on later and accept it. Totally agree. Ok cool. Can't wait to get a release date!
Astaroth136 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 CP Tager is best Tager period. Pretty much the consensus. Also I don't have live but I can hop on later and accept it. Yep, just by watching, you can tell this is his best iteration. Can't wait to actually use him.
Scottie Yosh Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) http://photozou.jp/photo/show/2656647/172549355 Hage Tager Qual'd for national tournament I think? Edited March 23, 2013 by Scottie Yosh
Skye Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Good shit, huge juxtaposition to the tears everyone felt month 1. Also Hage is a real nigga. You don't get many of those in Japan.
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