Your pet-peeves netplaying.

[Wonderswan]

My pet peeve? People who think that showing a ping would somehow help them pick their netplay matches better.

Seriously. There's more to how your connection works than your ping. The Red/Green thing probably IS just a ping. The problem is that it's less "what is my ping to this person at this exact moment" and more "how much does my ping to this person fluctuate over time"; Good luck measuring that.

So in short you're saying this method of less information is adequate? Well done. I was wondering if there was going to be someone dumb enough to argue ping implementation wouldn't be an improvement. /clap

I'm well aware of how connections work, and i'm being realistic by abandoning any hope of developers giving us something more robust than ping read out AT BEST. Also, the current blazblue netplay and how it displays peoples information is about as accurate as a dowsing rod made out of marzipan.

If an active ping read out is as good as we can get in a fighting game, then that's all i'm asking for. Because as many people can attest, you can have utterly shit games with 3~4 bars and a buttery smooth game with a 0~1, so... yeah, whatever you think this inane bar/color method is doing right... i'd ask you to reconsider.

[heavymetalmixer]

So in short you're saying this method of less information is adequate? Well done. I was wondering if there was going to be someone dumb enough to argue ping implementation wouldn't be an improvement. /clap

I'm well aware of how connections work, and i'm being realistic by abandoning any hope of developers giving us something more robust than ping read out AT BEST. Also, the current blazblue netplay and how it displays peoples information is about as accurate as a dowsing rod made out of marzipan.

If an active ping read out is as good as we can get in a fighting game, then that's all i'm asking for. Because as many people can attest, you can have utterly shit games with 3~4 bars and a buttery smooth game with a 0~1, so... yeah, whatever you think this inane bar/color method is doing right... i'd ask you to reconsider.

I always say: "Don't skip the f%&king intros!"

[TD]

Kokonoe.

Bitch. *spits*

[Wild Candy]

I agree, Kokonoe really gets my blood boiling, especially with that stupid Black Hole set up. It's pretty much assured damage after a knock down at the cost of 50 meter, and that's just freaking annoying. Not to mention the annoying fire balls and long range pokes you have to deal with!

[Hikka]

Yeah...those Kokonoes that resort to throws every five minutes. Really annoying.

They act like they are all big and bad too its.... painful

[Airk]

So in short you're saying this method of less information is adequate? Well done. I was wondering if there was going to be someone dumb enough to argue ping implementation wouldn't be an improvement. /clap

I'm well aware of how connections work, and i'm being realistic by abandoning any hope of developers giving us something more robust than ping read out AT BEST. Also, the current blazblue netplay and how it displays peoples information is about as accurate as a dowsing rod made out of marzipan.

But giving you pings is like making the dowsing rod out of wood. It still doesn't work. So why bother asking? Seriously. This request is "Please replace something that sortof works with something else that won't work any better." Do you have some reason to think that the 'bar' system is anything other than a 'chart' laid on top of ping times anyway?

If an active ping read out is as good as we can get in a fighting game, then that's all i'm asking for. Because as many people can attest, you can have utterly shit games with 3~4 bars and a buttery smooth game with a 0~1, so... yeah, whatever you think this inane bar/color method is doing right... i'd ask you to reconsider.

You're not thinking about it. Great. So you do badly with the 'bar' thing. So what happens when it's exactly the same except now you're complaining that your matches with Ping Number X are bad but sometimes you have good matches with someone with Ping Number Y? Now you start complaining that "Arc Sys can't even implement a simple ping right" and, meanwhile, you've made life harder for people who don't know what ping means. Yes, there are plenty of them. Some play fighting games. At the end of the day, the only way to implement any kind of "connection rating" system would be for the game to delay showing you any kind of rating for a fairly significant amount of time - probably at least ten seconds, probably more if you want it to actually be accurate - and make some sort of judgement based on how RELIABLE their connection speed is. And somehow, I don't think that would fly with people.

You know what I think would help improve netplay? Making rooms and ranked matches default to not allowing "zero bar" connections. The number of times I join a player room that I have a three bar connection to just to find some clown with a big ol' zero in there making the game lag is enough to make me want to smack people.

[Wonderswan]

But giving you pings is like making the dowsing rod out of wood. It still doesn't work. So why bother asking? Seriously. This request is "Please replace something that sortof works with something else that won't work any better." Do you have some reason to think that the 'bar' system is anything other than a 'chart' laid on top of ping times anyway?

I understand, and as I said ping isn't a solution, but i'm convinced it is definitely an improvement over something that isn't explained how it generates the numbers it does in the first place, or how often it even resamples a players connection data. There have been plenty of times I'm playing a laggy ass '3' and then finally after 5+ games his number changes to a 0 or 1.

This is where the number/bar system is really suspect, I have no idea what a JP developer has set as a threshold for each bracket, which is why the quality of a 3 can vary so widely. Maybe 4 is really tight with 1~20 but then 3 can include everything between 21~120. We don't know. Even if they did tell us 'yes that is how the number system works' then that is still far more terrible for anyone hoping to stay within the 30~60 range.

As far as people being too stupid to handle the new info; that's a fairly moot point as by now most people have some idea or might have even worked out how to port forward their systems, which is 10x harder than understanding some numbers. There is also no reason it can't be simply explained to them as Vsav and Skullgirls has done with one little pop up box to say what the numbers reflect.

Actually Skullgirls (for the few months I played it) brings up another positive. While doing a ft10 with someone we had a buttery smooth connection. Half way into the set our matches started lagging hard

and when we checked our pings, his shit was all over the place. He said it was just a lag spike cause he has nothing else going on. We gave it a minute rest and his connection stabilized and we were able to resume our set lag free.

My point is still the same. Giving the players detailed information will always be an improvement over a limited and vague 3 or 4 point spread.

And yes, I agree. Forcing defaults to only allow +/- a bar in lobbies should be the norm at the very least.

[Airk]

I just don't see how seeing a ping go all over the place is any different from watching a number go from 3 to 0/1 - which I've seen plenty of times when people's connections wig out.

I have a hard time believing that there's any real benefit in replacing an abstracted useless number with a 'real' useless number. How was the experience you had with Skullgirls remotely influenced by it showing you ping? I mean, what's the difference between:

You: "Hey, WTF, we're lagging all of a sudden!"

Him: "Yeah!"

You: "Your ping is real bad now!"

Him: "It must be a spike, I'm not doing anything!"

You: "Oh, hey, it's better now."

and

You: "Hey, WTF, we're lagging all of a sudden!"

Him: "Yeah!"

Him: "It must be a spike, I'm not doing anything!"

You: "Oh, hey, it's better now."

It's certainly possible that maybe the range on some of the "connection levels" is too broad, but I promise you that that isn't the reason some of your 3's are great and some aren't, or all connections less than three would be useless. The simple fact is that ping just isn't a very useful number for this kind of thing. You'd just be replacing people bitching about "WTF, we had 3 bars and it still sucked" with "WTF, it said 60ms and it still sucked." You can say it's "detailed information" but if the information isn't relevant, it doesn't matter how detailed it is. They could program the game to display the temperature, wind chill, and humidity in your opponent's location too - that'd be detailed info, and almost as useful as a ping for determining how good your connection will be.

Do you really think the average dope reads the pop up box that VSav/Skullgirls pops up and says "Oh! Well that makes sense! I have learned something today!" ? Of course not. They 'click' past that box as fast as they possibly can. People are stupid and hate to read. =/

[Auburn Notes]

I just have three major pet peeves for online.

1.) Show-offs.

Its fine if you are better at the game than I am, doesnt hurt my feelings...but crap like double bursting, excessive taunting, and unnecessary rapids at the end of a round and then air dashing away... its just poor form.

2.) People who complain about your character

Ragna is EZ mode, Nu just snipes with no skill, Tager is all grabs you scrub, Kokonoe wins for you, etc etc... Ok, the Kokonoe complaint holds some water, but mostly these people just need to shut up and either get better or stop playing.

3.) People who avoid matches with you on ranked based solely on your level/rank.

Seriously, people? PSR measures player skill about as well as a hole in the ground can measure your IQ. Also, if you lose to someone once please stop running from them the rest of the night. Sometimes ranked has nobody on ( for those of us still playing Extend) and simply sitting on ranked and not playing wastes everybody's time. Stop it and play.

Thats my piece.

[abadlime]

1.) Show-offs.

Its fine if you are better at the game than I am, doesnt hurt my feelings...but crap like double bursting, excessive taunting, and unnecessary rapids at the end of a round and then air dashing away... its just poor form.

I don't get how this is showing off.

[Auburn Notes]

I don't get how this is showing off.

How can it be seen as anything else? It serves no purpose other than being a way to teabag an opponent.

[susano]

How can it be seen as anything else? It serves no purpose other than being a way to teabag an opponent.

Sympathize with you on that. Reminds me of Ragnas who like to show off their swagna skills. >_>

Ah well. One day you'll get to shove it back in their faces. :3

[abadlime]

How can it be seen as anything else? It serves no purpose other than being a way to teabag an opponent.

A sign of respect? What else did you want them to do at the end of matches? Purple grab you?

[NecroTheReaper]

Random RC's at the very end of a match can be found for burst baiting, so there's one legit reason for that. iAD back, used all their heat for RCs and now doesn't have any resources to do a combo with xD but these are just possible reasons. You could just be right and he's bein a dick xD

Starting an OD combo then screwin it up with a wrong input or somehow wasn't fast enough.

[mAc Chaos]

I have fun doing it just to do it. You shouldn't let such simple things get under your skin.

[Auburn Notes]

Sympathize with you on that. Reminds me of Ragnas who like to show off their swagna skills. >_>

Ah well. One day you'll get to shove it back in their faces. :3

Eh, I'm not so bad that it happens often. Might just be me, but when it happens I can't see it as anything but poor sportsmanship. Well, its netplay I suppose.

On that note, i wish the offline scene where I am wasn't so non-existant.

[Auburn Notes]

I have fun doing it just to do it. You shouldn't let such simple things get under your skin.

Perhaps. Every once in a while it just does. No helping it.

[TD]

How can it be seen as anything else? It serves no purpose other than being a way to teabag an opponent.

you'd rather someone curbstomp your teeth into the pavement than try hard to show you they recognise you as a person?

if that is the case, l am going to have a lot of fun with you...

[mAceOfHearts]

Also, if you lose to someone once please stop running from them the rest of the night. Sometimes ranked has nobody on ( for those of us still playing Extend) and simply sitting on ranked and not playing wastes everybody's time. Stop it and play..

Sometimes people just don't want to fight you because they're not having fun fighting.

EG: I actively avoid Nu-13 players, not because I have anything against them, but because I'm not having fun fighting zoners. And if I'm not having fun, what's the point of playing at all?

Plenty of people feel this way about a character, commonly Tager, which is perfectly fine. It's their choice if they want to fight you or not.

[fogelstrom]

Sometimes people just don't want to fight you because they're not having fun fighting.

EG: I actively avoid Nu-13 players, not because I have anything against them, but because I'm not having fun fighting zoners. And if I'm not having fun, what's the point of playing at all?

Plenty of people feel this way about a character, commonly Tager, which is perfectly fine. It's their choice if they want to fight you or not.

The point is to win. Winning = Fun.

There are different players. I play to win and thus having fun. 1:1 ratio minimum for having fun!

I don't think people should avoid "boring matchups" because they need them... they are a part of the game. I don't see the point in only playing when the odds are always in your favor.

I'm sorry but people who suck and are scrubs that never actually want to learn are the ones that doesn't deserve to play against me because that really gets my blood boiling. I feel really disrespected when people obviously worse than me tries to put me down for various reasons when they themselves lack enough insight to realize that they are scrubs and refuse to learn just auto-piloting the same sh1t for months.

[Poultrygeist]

IMO the fun comes from the learning experiencing because there sure as shit isn't any fun in fighting laggers who don't know how to play and effortlessly stomping them. That leads me to an actual pet peeve of mine which is people who pull the "playing for fun" card and then call anyone better than them a no life loser virgin or whatever stupid bullshit.

[mAceOfHearts]

The point is to win. Winning = Fun.

There are different players. I play to win and thus having fun. 1:1 ratio minimum for having fun!

I'm sorry but people who suck and are scrubs that never actually want to learn are the ones that doesn't deserve to play against me because that really gets my blood boiling. I feel really disrespected when people obviously worse than me tries to put me down for various reasons when they themselves lack enough insight to realize that they are scrubs and refuse to learn just auto-piloting the same sh1t for months.

I'm not refusing to learn, I just dislike fighting Nu in general. Even when I win, I don't feel like I had fun. Again, I've nothing against the person using Nu, I just dislike fighting that particular character. Always have, always will.

Now, if I were to insult the guy picking Nu and call him a scrub/noob/whatever for picking an ´´annoying`` character, that'd be different.

[Auburn Notes]

you'd rather someone curbstomp your teeth into the pavement than try hard to show you they recognise you as a person?

if that is the case, l am going to have a lot of fun with you...

That is an interesting way to look at it. The way I see it , and I'm far from alone on this, is;

"Hey I just beat you, oh look at all the meter I didn't need *rapids* yeah, so didn't need it *airdashes away* get off my screen."

Not exactly respectful, though I'll admit the thought of it being an attempt at respect never crossed my mind.

[fogelstrom]

I'm not refusing to learn, I just dislike fighting Nu in general. Even when I win, I don't feel like I had fun. Again, I've nothing against the person using Nu, I just dislike fighting that particular character. Always have, always will.

Now, if I were to insult the guy picking Nu and call him a scrub/noob/whatever for picking an ´´annoying`` character, that'd be different.

If you're making active choices not to play against certain characters you are refusing to learn.

Now I bet you're not a tournament player since you're from EU but if you are... are you gonna leave a walkover if you'd ever had a Nu match? If and when you have to play that matchup I'd rather have some experience in the bag rather then to loose and just say "Nu is no fun" or whatever...

I'm not disrespecting you mate, don't get me wrong. We are all different and play for different reasons I'm just expressing why I think you should play against your boring matchups. Also I don't know anyone besides SDF-- playing Nu i EU (atleast as main) and I'd like the matchup experince since I'm playing Azrael at the moment. It sucks most of the time but hey the wins are really sweet.

[mAceOfHearts]

If you're making active choices not to play against certain characters you are refusing to learn.

Now I bet you're not a tournament player since you're from EU but if you are... are you gonna leave a walkover if you'd ever had a Nu match? If and when you have to play that matchup I'd rather have some experience in the bag rather then to loose and just say "Nu is no fun" or whatever...

I'm not disrespecting you mate, don't get me wrong. We are all different and play for different reasons I'm just expressing why I think you should play against your boring matchups. Also I don't know anyone besides SDF-- playing Nu i EU (atleast as main) and I'd like the matchup experince since I'm playing Azrael at the moment. It sucks most of the time but hey the wins are really sweet.

I've actually had plenty of Nu practise, at least in Extend. I can see your point, though. I don't think it'll be a match-up I'll ever really like, but I guess I might as well try to make it tolerable.