Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Stryker115]

I find it interesting that they somehow indirectly agree that they are one big screwed up family.

[DeathTurn]

Thanks for the translations, Zedar!

 

When Noel makes it into a contest to see who will find Ragna first between the three of them, I can't help but feel like some romantic undertones is involved. Like she's suggesting who is going to win Ragna's heart or something, but maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

 

Nah, I got the same impression. I read the translation and literally said "It's a contest for Ragna's ****!" It may not be inherently "romantic" so to speak, but I am fairly certain that ambiguity is the writing intent. Mori loves his ship teases. What confounds me more is how they are all seemingly "at odds" despite sharing a mutual goal. ...Why is this a "contest" of sorts, exactly? Is saving Ragna's life officially a game now?

 

Being Ragna is suffering.

[Volt]

So then if that's true, how did Noel not die? Since Hakumen killed Terumi and by extension Hazama using Time Killer didn't he? Noel should have died with Hazama if that were true.

 

Didn't that Life Link got shattered in the True Ending of CS?

[Tokkan]

Didn't that Life Link got shattered in the True Ending of CS?

 

It didn't.

[Volt]

It didn't.

 

So, we can basically confirm that while Terumi is now deader than dead, Hazama is still alive, right?

[heavymetalmixer]

So, we can basically confirm that while Terumi is now deader than dead, Hazama is still alive, right?

 

So the big son of a $%&/# is really dead, while the smooth guy lives to keep trolling . . . But what will he really do with the other guy dead?

[Volt]

So the big son of a $%&/# is really dead, while the smooth guy lives to keep trolling . . . But what will he really do with the other guy dead?

 

Well, he lived a long time with Terumi and Relius. Maybe he had seen enough to decide he want to strangle Amaterasu with Ouroboros and then throw it at Izanami.

[Ireicyn]

Not sure if I should be posting in speculation, but on the whole Kazu/Hazama issue

 

I thought it was made clear that the Kazuma body was destroyed when hakumen dragged Terumi to the boundary with Jubei's help. Then Relius made another host for Terumi's ghostly form, and that is the Hazama we know, isn't that right?

 In Chronophantasma Tager arcade Relius states he can recreate anything pretty much, I think he's said something else to that effect before in CS but can't remember where right now. Wouldn't it make more sense to remake the same body that worked last time, than something 'new'?

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Hm, so you've run into that fascinating speciment of liquid seithr... Yes, I did in fact install him with an artificial causality weapon. What of it?

[Tager]
You what?!

[Relius]
It was also installed on No. 11 if I am not mistaken...
Ha, I need only to observe something once in order to reproduce it. There's really no need for all the surprise.

Since the BB world is kinda 'simulation'-esque, in Celica's arcade, the Relius there recognises and acknowledges himself as Relius, despite being in an 'isolated world'/simulation/whatever run by Kokonoe and created from virtual data that by her words, it seems he shouldn't have been able to speak in the first place. Kazuma dreamed of Terumi(Hazama?) and Ragna fighting, and can't tell whether it's himself or not. He also dreams of Terumi and Relius talking prior to the latter's time trip - possibly as a result of all info being stored in the Azure etc (and him being an artificial human in the first place), or from Terumi using him as a focal point / grounding for his presence in the world, or both.

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Clad in the flame of darkness, the large sword swung. A pitch black arm was stretching. It was just like a lump of hatred.

"YES. HATE ME MORE. MORE, MOREMOREMOREMOREMOOOOORE!"

An inner voice was screaming in pleasure. No, it was 'his' voice. No, it was my voice. I don't know anymore. Since when it was me and Since when it was not me? Since when it was a dream and Since when it was not a dream?

I don't know. I don't know. Only greed grew larger, exploding from inside.

Scary. That's what I thought. The weak me just before I vanish.

With only his feeling, he seemed to be pulling himself off from the dream's scene, desperately closing his eyes.

Wake up. Quickly wake up. This is a dream. It's only a dream...

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The main rebuttals for Kazuma=Hazama(+Terumi) were (I think):

1.) Trinity's line during the Six Heroes route, in which she says (in the english version, idk japanese): "Even during the Dark War, the man we called Terumi was fused to another body in order to fight for our cause... Different body, and different personality. Before merging with him, these people had completely different lives."

2.) Valk's: "The body he used in the Dark War was destroyed in the Boundary, like Lord Hakumen... But his mental state is the same that is was..."

3.) Hazama's: "Come now, that's on the house. The body I used during the Dark War... that was your buddy, right? Did I sound anything like him to you?"

The body being destroyed can be explained by Relius remaking it (was his creation in the first place), as for Haz's line it seems probable that it's due to him recognising himself as Terumi (plus his eyes are open at the time). In Phase Shift 1, Kazuma recognised Terumi as his 'True Self', and willingly fuses/submits. In the Blazblue Material Collection translations in this forum, there's this: 'Hazama: A Captain in the NOL's intelligence department who issues orders to Noel and company. He is actually possessed and controlled by Terumi.' Kazu/Haz by this point probably isn't in a circumstance in which he would be able to view himself as Kazuma (and likely wouldn't want to in the first place), but instead as the other part of Yuuki Terumi. As for Trinity, she knows the original body was destroyed, and the Hazama of now doesn't act like the Kazuma she knew for years in Ishana, so her words are true as she views it. The latter bit of 'these people had completely different lives' is harder to come up with an explanation for however, and while she knew Kazuma pre-merge, I greatly doubt she knew 'Hazama' pre-merge, so seems a bit bizarre... Translation hiccup?

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"Listen, you need to get to the Azure by yourself. This is what you'd call a fate that can’t be avoided, got it?"

Even if you don't get it, say that you do. With such atmosphere, Terumi whispered in low tone.

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"For some time, something has drastically changed in Kazuma-san. It's like you got mixed up with something mysterious... You appear to always have a dark shadow beside you. It's like it's taking the Kazuma Kuvaru-san I know to a place of no return... I've always been uneasy."

"The Kazuma Kuvaru... you know?"

Kazuma briefly repeated Trinity's words. It was downright strange sounding.

Kazuma Kuvaru. It was the only name representing himself; but it felt very empty and worthless now.

He wondered if that was the 'place of no return' Trinity was talking about.

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There was but only single lump of shadow now. Although each other faced a different entity, there was a pretense that both had the same face and also the same individual.

Two kinds of mucus that were put in the same vessel being slowly mixed by a thin stick; such feeling was surrounding Kazuma and Terumi.

It was by no means disgusting. Rather, it was pleasant.

Because it was the appearance he desired.

Because it was the role he sought.

(That's right. I've always...)

Wished for it. About his true self. About the meaning of his existence. About the necessity to keep on living.

And there were all here. If this didn't please him, then what would?

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Kazuma pulled his lips and made a smile. But frankly, he couldn't afford to laugh. A rough noise resounded as his feet grazed the floor when he stepped back.

At this rate, it would truly be the end. He refused to accept it. Even though it was finally starting.

(Just... what's starting?)

Vaguely, Kazuma questioned himself.

Wrong. Rather than Kazuma, it was Terumi who had something to start.

No, whether it was Terumi or Kazuma, the line was awfully unclear.

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It was unknown whether what was coming up was the Boundary's power or the dwelling madness within his body.

Hopelessly uplifting feeling whispered.

‘'——Now, kill.

"Yes, I understood. I've understood everything. I've took it back. No.. more like it has returned. Isn't that right?"

It was a really serene sensation.

It was also supposed to be that way. Because now, at this very moment, the rightful soul went to the rightful place together. Completely established, without any slight of error.

"... Hi, haha... haha... hyahhahahahaha."

In Komao Mako's afterword for PS1 she refers him as green-haired man, rather than by name. Name might have made more sense if he was a being that was only appearing in the novel(s), and she needed to differentiate from Hazama. This is tenuous at best, but still can service as a possible indication, just nothing substantial.

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"Furthermore, did the front cover give you a vague hint about the leading man?

Oh, just what am I hiding? I also really liked that green-haired man.

From the beginning, I more or less was full of 'Oh gosh I'm going to write about him' kind of unpleasant excitement. But as for the green man... I wonder if he has a fairly characteristic way of speaking.

I wrote and wrote, but the circumstances were astonishing like 'it's different, not like this...'. To tell you the truth, each time the green man started to talk at the second half, it'd give me a headache. Just what's with that person?

There were many tiresome things, but it was sooo fun to write various kinds of the green man.

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In the Blazblue wikia, under Continuum Shift section (not CSII) (and no, I'm not asking you to take wiki information as gospel, just to consider), the character description for Hazama is as follows:

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Hazama Voiced by: Yūichi Nakamura (Japanese), Doug Erholtz (English)

The series's main antagonist and one of the Six Heroes. Terumi is actually a ghost who merged with Kazuma Kuvaru and taken the alias of Hazama, a captain of the NOL's Intelligence Division. At first, he appears to be supervising Noel's actions to keep her in line, but he has a sinister hidden agenda.

There's Amane's astral too. They included lines from Kazuma back in Platinum's CS story mode in her dream, which would imply at Kazuma having relevance beyond the novels. Trinity's whole "Yuuki... Terumi... Kazuma..!" line before going sploosh in the water. Terumi's unused lines refering to Kazuma. All of this can be said to insubstantial if you pick a single element, of course.

In a BuruRaji, Sugita made a suggestion(?) about 'Master' (shishou or something) becoming Hazama no shishou - which Mori appeared to vehemently state was impossible, as 'He hates cats' (Once again, I don't understand Japanese, but the gist seemed pretty clear) and we get this picture:

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In Mori's twitter, april 28th 2013, there's also this picture along with "ハザマ？テルミ？？誕生日おめでとう！？" (Hazama? Terumi? ? Happy birthday! ?) - which seems extremely likely to be Kazuma (hooded but with hair down).

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His latest Hazama picture, october 17th 2014, also seems to have developed a certain 'tousled' quality.

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TL;DR I think it's highly likely that Kazuma will be replacing Hazama next game, but you are free to believe whichever outlook you prefer.

As for what he'll be after, probably the "True Blazblue" and Trinity-trolling

I hope this made sense, if not I daresay blazblue broke my brain trying to understand the story in the first place.

[Volt]

Funny, your possible rebuttals of Hazama being Kazuma work better as proof that Hazama is Kazuma.

 

Point 1: Trinity describes Kazuma in PS1 before the merge, since he did have a completely different personality. However, after the fusion, the man they called Terumi was in fact Terumi + Kazuma.

 

Point 2: Even better. Valk saying that his mind remained intact yet his body was destroyed leads us to Relius Extend story, where Terumi appeared as a ghost asking him if he could build his body again.

 

Point 3: Now, Point 3 is actually more complicated. His merge isn't normal when he says that, despite the fact that it's still "Hazama" so we don't really know who was in control.

Not to mention that Kazuma did mimic his "Pre-Terumi Meetings" tone in PS1 several times to keep Trinity fooled. 

 

Not to mention that the next line "Hazama" says is: "Ugggrr... T-This is... Don't tell me, you already found out how to... From just that one time!? Are you trying to pull me out of here!?" Since Trinity was actually pulling Terumi out, we can easily say it was Terumi speaking.

[SixWingedAngel]

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Thanks for the elaborate information. I guess it can still be an open thing. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Ireicyn]

 

Funny, your possible rebuttals of Hazama being Kazuma work better as proof that Hazama is Kazuma.

 

 

Er.. Kind of what I meant, though think I worded it badly? - meant they're basically the same being rather than seperate beings*

 

*Though can't prove anything just yet yadda yadda

[Zedar90]

Finally got my hands on the "wheel of Fortune" drama cd,

 

So according to what Relius said, Terumi's vessel wasn't ready during the attack on the church, at least during the non-Noel time line. It would take some more time for it to be ready. This is the same as during the LN, where Terumi was a ghost/shadow when he killed Celica.

 

Terumi was able to get direct control over Hazama as well by observing himself, but not for long. After a short time he starts to vomit and feel sick.

[Volt]

Finally got my hands on the "wheel of Fortune" drama cd,

 

So according to what Relius said, Terumi's vessel wasn't ready during the attack on the church, at least during the non-Noel time line. It would take some more time for it to be ready. This is the same as during the LN, where Terumi was a ghost/shadow when he killed Celica.

 

Terumi was able to get direct control over Hazama as well by observing himself, but not for long. After a short time he starts to vomit and feel sick.

 

Trippy. How does that even work? (Terumi being able to hijack Hazama, not the whole BB story.)

[Zedar90]

Trippy. How does that even work? (Terumi being able to hijack Hazama, not the whole BB story.)

Basically, for Terumi to control Hazama, the system must see Hazama = Dark Susanoo = Terumi, but during CT the Hazama = Dark Susanoo can't be seen and a link between Hazama and Terumi wasn't created.

So what Terumi does is that he himself observe the Hazama = Dark Susanoo and thus can control Hazama for a short while but it takes it's toll on him after a short while.

This wasn't a problem after the end of CT when Noel used her Azure to recognize Hazama = Dark Susanoo.

[Volt]

Basically, for Terumi to control Hazama, the system must see Hazama = Dark Susanoo = Terumi, but during CT the Hazama = Dark Susanoo can't be seen and a link between Hazama and Terumi wasn't created.

So what Terumi does is that he himself observe the Hazama = Dark Susanoo and thus can control Hazama for a short while but it takes it's toll on him after a short while.

This wasn't a problem after the end of CT when Noel used her Azure to recognize Hazama = Dark Susanoo.

 

Got it. Thanks.

[Madness4455]

There is one theory I want to share. Does anyone believe Amane could be Izanagi, the japanese god of Life?

Think about it. Izanami is kind of emotionless and cold, dead ass serious. Amane is pretty lively, positive, and optimistic.

He is hinted to be immortal which is pointed out in Bullet's arcade that he never aged. His astral finish displays turning certain characters into kids or simply make them younger.

Youth is a time of a person's life.

I know Rachel called him Uzume, the god of dancing but he can do more than dance. He has this odd ability to turn people young. No one knows if he is using magic or ars magus but there is definitely more to this guy than it meets the eye. That is my theory.

[Volt]

There is one theory I want to share. Does anyone believe Amane could be Izanagi, the japanese god of Life?

Think about it. Izanami is kind of emotionless and cold, dead ass serious. Amane is pretty lively, positive, and optimistic.

He is hinted to be immortal which is pointed out in Bullet's arcade that he never aged. His astral finish displays turning certain characters into kids or simply make them younger.

Youth is a time of a person's life.

I know Rachel called him Uzume, the god of dancing but he can do more than dance. He has this odd ability to turn people young. No one knows if he is using magic or ars magus but there is definitely more to this guy than it meets the eye. That is my theory.

 

There's too little information about Amane for that kind of theory. Nothing neither proves nor disproves it, but as far as Chrono Phantasma is concerned, Amane's an immortal observer.

[FA-ST]

Hey there, first post here (though i've been looking around for a pretty long time), not sure if i'm supposed to introduce myself somewhere or something...

Anyway!

I've replayed CP's story mode recently, and I noticed something pretty interesting at the end of chapter...13 i think it was? Anyway the one where after Azrael gets defeated, we see Hazama talking to the Imperator.

At a certain point in this dialogue, Hazama asks why is she always so rude to him, and she answers that "Her behaviour towards him should be expected, since he already broke her vessel once in the past"(or something along those lines).

So i've been wondering, do we know what she's talking about, or is it still a secret to everybody?

[Zedar90]

Hey there, first post here (though i've been looking around for a pretty long time), not sure if i'm supposed to introduce myself somewhere or something...

Anyway!

I've replayed CP's story mode recently, and I noticed something pretty interesting at the end of chapter...13 i think it was? Anyway the one where after Azrael gets defeated, we see Hazama talking to the Imperator.

At a certain point in this dialogue, Hazama asks why is she always so rude to him, and she answers that "Her behavior towards him should be expected, since he already broke her vessel once in the past"(or something along those lines).

So i've been wondering, do we know what she's talking about, or is it still a secret to everybody?

I don't remember if it was 100% confirmed, but I believe it has to do with the church attack. That Terumi first destroyed Saya's mind and then made her give Yukianesa to Jin so that Jin destroyed the barrier surrounding the church.

[Master Of Chaos]

Edit: I dunno enthathing.

[Narroo]

About Hazama and "Time Killer:" I believe that thing effectively "freezes" time for the victim.  It's said to "end their time?"  Of course, that was the English version, so that's not too reliable.

 

If that's the case, the life-link shouldn't matter; Hazama would still be alive, just frozen in time and unable to act.

[Tokkan]

About Hazama and "Time Killer:" I believe that thing effectively "freezes" time for the victim.  It's said to "end their time?"  Of course, that was the English version, so that's not too reliable.

 

If that's the case, the life-link shouldn't matter; Hazama would still be alive, just frozen in time and unable to act.

 

Hazama wasn't the one who was killed using Time Killer, that was Terumi. Separate bodies, remember?

[Narroo]

Oh, right.  Which begs the question; how does that affect Hazama.  Is he going to turn back into the Kazuma guy, or will it end up that the Entire "Kill Terumi" subplot was completely pointless?

 

I have a hard time believe Hazama is truly dead since he's conflict with Ragna was never resolved, and his death was anti-climatic.

[Madness4455]

Oh, right.  Which begs the question; how does that affect Hazama.  Is he going to turn back into the Kazuma guy, or will it end up that the Entire "Kill Terumi" subplot was completely pointless?

 

I have a hard time believe Hazama is truly dead since he's conflict with Ragna was never resolved, and his death was anti-climatic.

Technically, Ragna's real main enemy is Terumi, not really Hazama. Terumi did more damage to him than Hazama.

But I wonder if Kazuma will come in story mode and be one of the good guys but has a similar personality to Terumi's. Sounds silly I know but could be awesome.

Also, quick question. Not sure if its answered before but isn't Hazama able to behave or impersonate Terumi's personality?

[mAc Chaos]

One of the Teach Me Ms Litchi sections had Jin mention that there was some deep dark secret underneath Torifune. Did they ever say what it was?

Also the Imperator said that people created her, in story mode, when she was announcing to the world her resignation. She said she was giving her power to those that created Hades: Izanami. Is there anything we know about that?