harmless kitten Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I dunno. The lack of gamma radiation in this thread leaves me with doubt. Or maybe I'm just so far out of the loop on what the hell Amaterasu actually is in this story, it's significance, or why anyone should care that I can't recognize how that's big? She's the administrator of time itself. It's not entirel clear (at least right now) what kind of bad shit would happen with no Amaterasu, but uh, Izanami would probably be one step closer to fulfilling her goal without Amaterasu. Terumi's only been railing about killing her for...almost four years now? Presumably, no one to administrate time means time stops having meaning OR someone with less morals would come along and take the reins. Amaterasu isn't exactly a character per se, more of a plot device.
Master Of Chaos Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Here's a theory my mind cooked up regarding the cliffhanger ending, and Terumi's arcade, plus how Hazama and Terumi will still be involved in the next game. This has been in my head for awhile, but I never thought it had any merit until now: Terumi and Hazama separate somehow into two bodies, and Kazuma regains his mind and gets control over the "Hazama" body, while Terumi stays as he is. Kazuma becomes the "Hazama" for the next game, while Terumi gets revived by Izanami. I don't know how exactly this would work, but there it is.
Ehecatl Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 She's the administrator of time itself. It's not entirel clear (at least right now) what kind of bad shit would happen with no Amaterasu, but uh, Izanami would probably be one step closer to fulfilling her goal without Amaterasu. Terumi's only been railing about killing her for...almost four years now? Presumably, no one to administrate time means time stops having meaning OR someone with less morals would come along and take the reins. Amaterasu isn't exactly a character per se, more of a plot device. Well... yeah. That much I got. Terumi's been going on about it forever. And I get that it was in competition with Takemagahara. But even if it were the one Rachel is talking about, it's hard to feel anything about a barely explained entity that'd blow your mind. So far, we've hardly even seen the thing (save for recently) much less known the full scale of what it's capable of. As for time's administration, I'm under the impression time shouldn't be administrated by anyone or else you get another Takemagahara controlling things. If I recall, that was entirely Rachel's reason for fighting-- to restore free will back to mankind instead of it being controlled in a predetermined destiny. So I doubt she'd be defending Amaterasu at all if that was its function. So it leads me to believe Amaterasu is more than a plot device that regulates the world but a character or entity with motive that Rachel can relate to.
heavymetalmixer Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Here's a theory my mind cooked up regarding the cliffhanger ending, and Terumi's arcade, plus how Hazama and Terumi will still be involved in the next game. This has been in my head for awhile, but I never thought it had any merit until now: Terumi and Hazama separate somehow into two bodies, and Kazuma regains his mind and gets control over the "Hazama" body, while Terumi stays as he is. Kazuma becomes the "Hazama" for the next game, while Terumi gets revived by Izanami. I don't know how exactly this would work, but there it is. It would be interesting to have Kazuma back, but there's no Trinity anymore
Lou_Cypher Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Just waiting for the time that all of Ragna's newfound Social Links push him out of the way of some giant attack from Izanami, nearly succumbs to despair inside the Black Beast, then reawakens as Izanagi-no-Okami and uses Myriad Truths to push away Izanami's desire of a world of death away. She wants truth? He'll give her the truth, all of it. Or something, something, something.... blah blah...
Moy_X7 Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 What family? Which? Are you saying that Noel really IS Ragna and Jin's sister? That she really is Saya? But then... who's-- While Noel is Saya's clone, she retains small fragments of Saya's memories of when she was a kid and therefore believes that Ragna and Jin are her "family/siblings". Remember that Noel feels like she's met Ragna before when she first meets him.
harmless kitten Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Well... yeah. That much I got. Terumi's been going on about it forever. And I get that it was in competition with Takemagahara. But even if it were the one Rachel is talking about, it's hard to feel anything about a barely explained entity that'd blow your mind. So far, we've hardly even seen the thing (save for recently) much less known the full scale of what it's capable of. As for time's administration, I'm under the impression time shouldn't be administrated by anyone or else you get another Takemagahara controlling things. If I recall, that was entirely Rachel's reason for fighting-- to restore free will back to mankind instead of it being controlled in a predetermined destiny. So I doubt she'd be defending Amaterasu at all if that was its function. So it leads me to believe Amaterasu is more than a plot device that regulates the world but a character or entity with motive that Rachel can relate to. Takamagahara was unnatural though, an entity made to contact and usurp Amaterasu. In comparison, Amaterasu can be seen as a natural and benevolent god--it's even referred to as God several times in the series. Besides, administrate can just mean that she keeps stuff running and makes sure that time flows as it should. Amaterasu trapped humanity in a time loop to make sure a certain hero arose, and once one did, the time loops stopped. The order that Rachel claims to hate so much may exist independently of Amaterasu. "Family" could be referring to Noel's "brother and sister" prime fields, but idk.
Dovahkyon Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 where is everyone get this info? it seems like some pages are missing with there random posts
GF9Returns Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) That is a lie and you know it. Okay, the Ragna thing doesn't make any sense, but the other things, I kinda see why. Maybe the Carl and Relius alliance would break the trend of revenge. So it's either die all together, Carl kills Relius than lose his sanity, or "LET'S ALL HOLD HAAANDS! HERE ON THE SUBWAAAY!" So yeah, kinda glad Mori's going for something different instead of one of them dying....yet. Like THIS for example http://youtu.be/l512QrqpoC8 Both of them had vendetta against each other and nobody bitched about them teaming up, so why are we getting all buttered up about this. It could be for a good reason. Speculations, people. Edited October 25, 2013 by GF9Returns
Keaton Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 In reference to Terumi's arcade ending and the game ending; this may just be wishful speculation, but if it were the case that Kazuma still exists as a separate personality within his body alongside Terumi, if Terumi is killed, would he simply regain control of his body? Hakumen might have destroyed Terumi's soul, but not expected there still to be someone in the "backseat". And from his somewhat mocking tone when talking to Terumi that might have been what he was hoping for all along. Might help justify the splitting of Hazama and Terumi into two separate playable characters if somehow Kazuma takes control of the "Hazama" body, and if Terumi can somehow be revived with Relius' help and given a new body. It seems illogical that they'd only just make him playable and then kill him off when there's still another game to go. I'm dying to read a translation of his ending just to clarify things. (sorry, I'll make sure to put my speculation here in the future ;; )
Ehecatl Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 While Noel is Saya's clone, she retains small fragments of Saya's memories of when she was a kid and therefore believes that Ragna and Jin are her "family/siblings". Remember that Noel feels like she's met Ragna before when she first meets him. Pardon my bluntness but I don't care what she said. Zedar stated Hazama killed her family. He didn't say Hazama killed those she 'thought' was her family. I am asking for clarification from them to explain what they meant. I don't need to be told that Noel is a clone, what she feels about Ragna, or any of that other obvious nonsense. Nor do I need to be given the random speculation of what people are interpreting from what a poster is trying to say when that poster can bloody well tell us what they meant themselves.
harmless kitten Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Amane doesn't have much of a role, but given that CP confirmed the Imperator = Izanami, Amane might actually be Ame-no-Uzume or some equivalent after all. Rachel calls him Uzume in his arcade ending. where is everyone get this info? it seems like some pages are missing with there random posts The thread is broken up between story info/discussion and speculation territory.
Kibafool Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Interesting. And really, Rachel's magic is a lot weaker now? She seemed to be able to teleport left and right just fine in CT and CS. Then again, that was usually just herself, Nago and Gii while occasionally giving someone a lift/escape route. She probably just used up most of her energy to teleport Ragna back in time. So she just needs time to recover.
Zedar90 Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 She probably just used up most of her energy to teleport Ragna back in time. So she just needs time to recover. It's not that, she was herself surprised that the effect of her action came so fast.
kylehyde Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 So do we find out what the answer that would decide the fate of the world was? The one Ragna was sent back in time to find out.
Master Of Chaos Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 Ok. So. Six Heroes plays when Hazama and Terumi fight each other, and they have a special intro. This does not occur for any other of the alternate form characters. From what's been going on around Terumi and Hazama, the idea that they become two separate characters may be a bit more credible. Do we have anything else about this?
DeadmanJV2 Posted October 26, 2013 Posted October 26, 2013 Oh, and just a theory about why Rachel tells Tsubaki that if they (Jin and Tsubaki) cannot kill Ragna that Tsubaki needs to kill her. If I remember my vampire lore there's the idea that killing the "head" vampire kills all of the "sub" vampires. Since Rachel bit Ragna, she is technically the head vampire between the two of them. So if my theory is true then killing Rachel would kill Ragna. It's just never been explicitly brought up until now because Rachel isn't that easy to kill so there hasn't been an incident where she was in danger but Ragna wasn't.
kylehyde Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Oh, and just a theory about why Rachel tells Tsubaki that if they (Jin and Tsubaki) cannot kill Ragna that Tsubaki needs to kill her. If I remember my vampire lore there's the idea that killing the "head" vampire kills all of the "sub" vampires. Since Rachel bit Ragna, she is technically the head vampire between the two of them. So if my theory is true then killing Rachel would kill Ragna. It's just never been explicitly brought up until now because Rachel isn't that easy to kill so there hasn't been an incident where she was in danger but Ragna wasn't. I don't think Ragna was ever a vampire, never ever smever. Your thinking of the one loop where he was bit, but there's already been countless loops and the Ragna that got bit probably died in that loop too.
raziel12 Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) yea but also mean rachel is connected to to the evil in someway if the evil way the black beast she would have said so i guess it is as dark as the black beast but more evil then it no doubt BBCP remake will be on its way to cover some loop holes before the final game but i do think rachel has some connection to ES though will i call it first the next DLC will be BBCS Tsubaki wat the point of having the NOL Noel but not the light Tsubaki i would say Lamda but their no point bringing her bak since we have Nu-13 back with both of them having the same moves Edited October 28, 2013 by raziel12
Zazz Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) will i call it first the next DLC will be BBCS Tsubaki wat the point of having the NOL Noel but not the light Tsubaki i would say Lamda but their no point bringing her bak since we have Nu-13 back with both of them having the same moves isn't light tsubaki just a color swap? as for lambda, i sorta expect, in the way BB tends to pull ridiculous plot twists out of nowhere, that Minerva is a rebuilt Lambda. there's something about those red eyes, black/silver color scheme and her hair fades from black into a lighter blonde color. how would this work? no idea, but i stopped trying to make sense of things after Kokonoe pulled her aunt 100 years into the future. how's that for speculations? Edited October 28, 2013 by Zazz
raziel12 Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) isn't light tsubaki just a color swap? as for lambda, i sorta expect, in the way BB tends to pull ridiculous plot twists out of nowhere, that Minerva is a rebuilt Lambda. there's something about those red eyes, black/silver color scheme and her hair fades from black into lighter a blonde color. how would this work? no idea, but i stopped trying to make sense of things after Kokonoe pulled her aunt 100 years into the future. how's that for speculations? knowing mori i wont be surprised lol yea but if you look at Dark Tsubaki all her Attacks effects are red and dark even if you change the color swap their attacks effects will be the same but Light Tsubaki Attack Effects are all light attacks so they just might use the inproved BBCSEX version of her too be honest she in all new character like Noel NOL version i guess you can say a Izayoi Tsubaki version Noel and Tsubaki are the only ones that got more the 2 version of themselves Noel - NOL Noel,Noel (CP),Mu-12 Tsubaki - Dark Tsubaki (CP),Izayoi Tsubaki (CS),Izayoi Edited October 28, 2013 by raziel12
harmless kitten Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 Wait...are you telling me...Mori planned this........ I think the Azure Grimoire consuming Ragna's body has always been in the cards. In his CS bad ending he has a hallucination of its corruption rapidly spreading up his spine and into his brain. I don't know if this particular twist of AWAKEN BEAST was planned, but there's been weird stuff planted all throughout the games that can be dug up and repurposed for a suitable "twist." Consider the revelation of it being CP Ragna who is in Phase 0 and Phase Shift 4. Think what you want about the twist, but it does neatly solve a few problems, such as Ragna's bad ending in CT where he becomes the Black Beast, or Tager's bad ending.
Starlight777 Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 So Terumi got time killed, Trinity was taken with him and Relius is now a physically and mentally shattered wreck of a man. All of my favorite characters got the shit end of the stick, Jesus. Still not as bad as what happened to Ragna.
Master Of Chaos Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I think it's safe to say that nothing could ever be as bad as what happens to Ragna at this point.
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