The EX discussion thread

[CrimsonDisaster]

I've played plenty of AC+ EX matches so shrug. EasyModeNub: Like half the cast has command grabs, moreso in EX. EX Ky's isn't anything special. EX Sol gets a dust loop off his, EX Potemkin gets a combo (and has a dashing chain grab into super), etc. etc. Again, if you can't block EX Ky's slow as hell overheads (one is only overhead on like the 2nd hit, one has a huge obvious pause before he hits, and the other is... his Dust) then just learn to block high. Yeah, you can get taken by surprise by an overhead here and there but generally speaking they're nothing awesome. EX Ky is still a zoning, frame trap, hit/throw mixup character.

[taraction]

ex ky's "call down the thunder" fb isn't even that great. i mean you can throw it out against people who aren't used to it, but generally you'll only catch them with it if 1) they're not holding fd in the air or 2) they're doing something that has a lot of start-up. it's decent for zoning purposes, but if they're on top of you then don't even bother wasting meter on it. ex ky has more mix-up options than regular ky, but nothing too overpowering. his overheads are still obvious and his command throw range is pretty pathetic. grand vapor thrust stops working somewhere around the third match (haven't bothered messing with combo options) and his 236K is a bit safer than sol's, but you can still 6P it. bottom line, ex ky is spectacularly mediocre.

[taraction]

also, ex sol's 236D is pretty amazing if your opponent is already in/near the corner, but otherwise it's like ky's regular charge stun edge. midscreen, most of his old dust loop setups still work, but lack of knockdown on his vv hurts (clean hit sidewinder follow-ups can be rewarding in certain situations, i guess). landing 214K is pretty easy with ex sol, although following up with a combo during that pathetically short slide isn't always possible. essentially i feel that ex sol would be a much better character if his combo options were a bit more practical, but otherwise he's just as good as ex ky (balanced? )

[低姿勢]

Actually you should always be able to stand s, hs iad to dust loop vs everyone after the qcb+k with sol that I recall. Sols big gun flame is just like it use to be to my knowledge as well, only thing different is that its a ex move now. Also it still goes full screen same as it did before. Just move has always had a 4 hit limit thats all. So once it hits 4 times it stops. I know if you get hit while the move is out it goes away though. I dont recall if it was like that though before.... And you can dust low to teh ground to end the dust loop with a knock down if that counts, or use other random obscure ways to try and get a knock down from it. Just gotta be creative I guess. Plus his super is basicaly a ghetto version of slayers big punch super. Hit it then dust loop. Then a lot of life. Shrug As for EX ky, yea lighting bolt isnt that great. Also it actually goes away if your hit so you cant just use it for any situation. And ex ky is actually more like his slash version. A lot of the misc things they made worse in the original AC are back to how they were in slash. Also he can combo off his charge drive super much more realistically then normal ky, and he has BR loops etc now. And you can actually combo after his EX lighting as well, so you can use it in combos to lighting then combo again. Damage isnt great but I guess its sorta burst safe if that counts? lol Anyway I think both ex ky and sol were both pretty fun if you fiddle around with them. AC+ definitely has a good fun factor I think with the ex characters unlike all the other games were the ex were all sorta thrown togther clusterfuckish feeling. They definitely added quite a bit of new stuff to them just gotta find it I guess.

[Nehle]

If you twitch against EX testa he'll teleport to either side of you (or to overhead) and give you poison

[YanisDLooper]

If you twitch against EX Johnny he'll go into his counter stance. And wait. . . .

[DeathAwaits]

That's so true. when im playin against friends and someone picks ex johnny for the hell of it, someone could sneeze and they'll try the counter.Since i use millia, he thinks hes gonna get hella counters on me. changin topics now. ex millia got some changes but shes not broken. i mean i like that her orb move(secret garden i think) has her do a flip rather than look stupid and get owned inside out cause she decides to pray in the middle of a battle. the ground projectle pin is nice and i like doing 236h while falling from a dust combo so they get hit and i can combo some more. all in all she's an improvment but not overpowered. Now for jam and slayer, mwuhahahahahaha, i'm now even gonna go there.

[Silmerion]

EX Axl fails miserably. No 2-hit vacuum chains, no Raei(S), a modified Byakurenshou that manages to be LESS safe than his normal one...he's a wreck, outside of his command dust, which is kind of neat.

[CrimsonDisaster]

EX Axl fails miserably. No 2-hit vacuum chains, no Raei(S), a modified Byakurenshou that manages to be LESS safe than his normal one...he's a wreck, outside of his command dust, which is kind of neat.

His slide-dust attack is pretty easy to combo, though. It's a lot like playing pre-AC Axl except instead of doing Rensen FRC combos you just slide-dust to ID to bomber loop or something.

Well, maybe not a lot like pre-AC Axl. But yeah, he gets by without 2-hit normals just like he always did.

[taraction]

how come ex dizzy gets no love, expecially with her legendary BUBBLE FISH?

[excelence]

bubble Fish? (>_>)

[4r5]

burbing fish someone tell me how broken Necro-Install is

[excelence]

if there's something broke about ex Dizzy... isn't it supposed to be air pike setup?

[CrimsonDisaster]

if there's something broke about ex Dizzy... isn't it supposed to be air pike setup?

How can you even talk about old EX spear hold when EX Dizzy has BUBBLE FISH?

4r5:

Necro Install kinda sucks, it's not like EX Dizzy has huge combos to reward her ability to run through some pokes.

[taraction]

the only reason one would play ex dizzy would be for her michael sword forcebreak. it's got a pretty long ground slide, so you could do something like throw out p or k fish on oki, mix-up into michael sword fb, then the fish bite would launch the opponent and you could run up and score an air combo off of that. her air combos feel a bit strange though, since you can't jump cancel ex dizzy's j.s. as for the legendary BUBBLE FISH, popping one bubble automatically triggers the other bubbles, and all three bubbles do something like 120 damage, so very big fun. also ex zappa's forcebreaks are HILARIOUS.

[4r5]

oh well, whatever. Burrito Fish is hilarious. what the hell? EX+Robo-Ky has the most randomest ForceBreak ever. It's his overheat explosion. Does a whopping 40 damage to Sol, and ~25% to yourself! Dizzies you in three consecutive booms. It does, however, guarantee a knockdown. But it also knocks you down. Only upside is that it's unblockable.

[taraction]

i'll let cd explain the merits of robo hover fb into explosion fb as oki.

[CrimsonDisaster]

It uses 50% tension to blow the hell out of yourself? It can't kill your opponent? I think the damage might be tied to how much heat you have but I'm probably wrong, I haven't really messed with it much since I don't have AC+. -edit- doesn't look like heat OR tension has any effect on robo-boom FB. Maybe there's some other trick to it, but it really just seems pointless (it also does a TON of stun to Robo, 3 of them will stun Robo, pretty much guaranteed). MAYBE you could do like, CH dust, missile super, pressure into robo-boom to make them eat missiles to kill.

[Huopatossu]

EX characters are a too unbalanced to have any kind of tournament or official matches, though it would be interesting. But there are just too much difference in power. For example, EX ABA with her infinite Moroha mode. NOT OVERPOWERED! Also, some EX characters just plain suck. Take EX Faust. Sure, he has Mettakiri as a normal move, not a grab, but his replacing command throw sucks, and his pogo has been taken back to Slash/#Reload, which sucks too.

[Blade]

I have a hard time with EX Ky since a lot of his moves come out much slower and he lost all his j.D options.

[Chainsaw Guitar]

the only reason one would play ex dizzy would be for her michael sword forcebreak.

Actually, it's a special move. It's a (much better) replacement for Arctic impaler.

[CrimsonDisaster]

Actually, it's a special move. It's a (much better) replacement for Arctic impaler.

And it's also her force break, and regular Michael Sword is not "much better" than icespike imo.

EX characters are a too unbalanced to have any kind of tournament or official matches, though it would be interesting.

But there are just too much difference in power. For example, EX ABA with her infinite Moroha mode. NOT OVERPOWERED! Also, some EX characters just plain suck. Take EX Faust. Sure, he has Mettakiri as a normal move, not a grab, but his replacing command throw sucks, and his pogo has been taken back to Slash/#Reload, which sucks too.

EX ABA is constantly losing life every time she does a move and has no way to stop that. Plus she just isn't as good as regular ABA Moroha mode. EX ABA is hardly the best example of imbalanced EX gameplay.

[Zazz]

And it's also her force break, and regular Michael Sword is not "much better" than icespike imo.

are you talking about AC+? i got my vanilla AC going and EX Diz's only FB is the pink bubble

[taraction]

yeah we are. cd and i messed with ac+ ex characters quite a bit. so much more fun than regular ac ex characters. also ky's fb lighting strike is lololol.

[Blade]

FB Lighting for Ky can still be dodged if you jump high enough.