About gatlings and cancels, they can be done on first frame of recovery?

[superclack]

I'm having a little trouble gauging some gatlings/special cancels for combo purposes, and I'm thinking maybe some frame data would help me gauge it a bit better. Things cancel on the first frame of recovery, or is it different for each move? I have trouble with things that need to be input late.

[Digital Watches]

I'm having a little trouble gauging some gatlings/special cancels for combo purposes, and I'm thinking maybe some frame data would help me gauge it a bit better. Things cancel on the first frame of recovery, or is it different for each move? I have trouble with things that need to be input late.

I think unless stated otherwise, the frame window for all cancels/gatlings starts the frame after it connects, even if it's still technically in the "active frame" portion of the attack.

[Huopatossu]

I'm pretty sure you must input the last button press of a special move during the "slowdown" from a normal attack. A little after it works too.

[Hellmonkey]

The "slowdown" is called hit stop. When you hit with a move there is hit stop that freezes both the attacker and whatever is getting hit/blocking for 11-15 frames for moves level 1-5 (unless otherwise stated). You can buffer during hit stop. (baiken alpha counters are very good because she can start them during hit stop, making 10+ frame counters extremely fast when taking hit stop into consideration, also projectiles/etc that take hits are good because hit stop only affects whatever is attacking/getting attacked, so for instance when someone hits little eddie it freezes them and little eddie but not eddie himself.

[EclipsingBinary]

I believe you can only cancel normals (unless there's a special exception listed) during hitstop or the remainder of your active frames. Once you reach the recovery phase of your normal, you can't cancel it anymore.

[Blade]

What do you call it when a special move "cancels" into another special move then? Here's a few examples: Volcanic Viper>Knockdown, Lust Shaker>Iron Savior, Vapor Thrust>Javelin etc etc...natural cancels.

[rtl42]

i think it's just considered to be another special cancel.

[taraction]

i would consider them to be follow-ups, since you can only "cancel" those moves into another designated move.

[Chomite]

How about some moves that comes out faster than it should when you button mash? Like, Anji's 6K - 5K or I-No's 6HS - 5K?

[Digital Watches]

Those just seem weird because they're gatlings from slow moves into fast moves. They're no different from normal as far as I know.

[YanisDLooper]

If you attack with a normal, can you input directional input (for a special cancel) before you are in hit stop from the normal you connect with? Or, Can you only input for a special cancel during hit stop?

[4r5]

If you attack with a normal, can you input directional input (for a special cancel) before you are in hit stop from the normal you connect with?

yes