[CP] Ragna Gameplay Discussion

[Beat_By-X]

Guys I have somes questions :

- 214D is advantage on block ?

- What is the best combo without super after 6B 6A .... it's new combo by some somes japanese ragna player

- 6B is more or less speed compare to BBCSEX ? less backdach in guard ?

Thanks

[KayEff]

1. 214D is -1 when you use it at point blank without any dash cancel. if you use it farther or combine it with dash cancel, you can make it plus on block.

2. no one does 6B > 6A primarily because of how unsafe the option is on block. but if you really should know, then i would think doing hell's fang after 6A would be the optimal option.

3. 6B has the same 24F startup. i don't think its knockback was changed in any way, though i could be wrong.

[Cheefoo]

>75 P2

Who cares?

Hype values are unaffected by proration.

[heavymetalmixer]

1. 214D is -1 when you use it at point blank without any dash cancel. if you use it farther or combine it with dash cancel, you can make it plus on block.

2. no one does 6B > 6A primarily because of how unsafe the option is on block. but if you really should know, then i would think doing hell's fang after 6A would be the optimal option.

3. 6B has the same 24F startup. i don't think its knockback was changed in any way, though i could be wrong.

1. Isn't it 236D now?

[WolfCrimson]

@cheefoo -

can I sig that?

Edit: Too late, already sigged

Edited July 14, 2013 by WolfCrimson

[KayEff]

1. Isn't it 236D now?

yeah, my bad.

[Master Of Chaos]

Dead Spike is 236D now? Man I need to get with the times. That's goona be a pain to remember the first week.

[ADS627]

gonna be alot of accidental D dividers and bloodscythes.

[Kuraudo_V6]

Dead Spike is 236D now? Man I need to get with the times. That's goona be a pain to remember the first week.

I've already played CP. I'm set.

[Jackie Chandler]

- What is the best combo without super after 6B 6A .... it's new combo by some somes japanese ragna player

I think the new universal combo off 6B is 5D 1 Hit > D. Inferno Divider > Follow Up > Straight Punch > 3C > 22C > Hell's Fang > Tsuika when their opponent will hit the corner.

[MashThat5A]

6B>5D(1)>D DP>straight>3C>22C>deadspike>5C>j.C>berial>5D>HF

[Master Of Chaos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LwFoJzYBYgE#t=575

Zekuso has forever won my respect.

[WolfCrimson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8i05l2iUeI&feature=youtu.be

Calling @Mashthat5A, seems like jB> jC > jD > air BS > 5B works.

[WolfCrimson]

So, CP is out. Ragna's D-ID is kind of finicky, really gotta do 623 properly without going over 6 after the 3, otherwise you get deadspike. Also, I wish he were stronger.

[-Kid]

Stronger in what respect? Damage output? Or just as an overall character?

[BlackYakuzu94]

Yea, I had no trouble with his new inputs, I just have to get out of CSE mode.

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[Callisto]

I get DS instead of DID fairly often but I also play too much SF4, so I probably just can't do clean SRKs to save my life; I think I'm going to swap a square gate into my second stick instead of the octo I normally use and use that for CP, hopefully the hard corner will help with consistently getting 3C and DID instead of 2C/DS.

I'm a little iffy on how to apply oki as Ragna, are there specific setups that people are using? I'm kinda just going ham with standard 6B/2B/Crush Trigger mixups.

[Callisto]

Found a decent kara throw plinking B~C

[Cheefoo]

So are we finally sure how advantageous deadspike is on block if you dash cancel it ASAP? Is it truly +7?

[floatwater]

If you do it point blank it is unsafe, at max range it is.

I feel like this was answered before.

[Lucalibur]

I really hate the new Dead Spike personally. I feel like the changes were overall more of a nerf than buff. It's not even consistent now and rarely it will outright whiff if they're too close. Then again I don't like most of the changes from what I got to experience so far, so maybe that is just me being butthurt.

[dioxideUniversa]

no shark = no sale.

[Gamerboy15]

I really hate the new Dead Spike personally. I feel like the changes were overall more of a nerf than buff. It's not even consistent now and rarely it will outright whiff if they're too close. Then again I don't like most of the changes from what I got to experience so far, so maybe that is just me being butthurt.

I agree, I can't seem to execute any combos. I just can't believe he got nerfed so hard.

[BlackYakuzu94]

It seems we can't win with Ragna; when he's good, he's "broken" when he's nerfed, he sucks.

[Fistmaster049]

It seems we can't win with Ragna; when he's good, he's "broken" when he's nerfed, he sucks.

Seems to be the idea yeah, not sure if Arc hates or loves their own protagonist :/

but back to the main topic at hand...

I got to play CP a little yesterday and I can see what people were on about, trying to use DID with the new ds is weird