Rickt Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Couple things I learned from tonight: 1) I absolutely abhor Minazuki. That character makes me want to do bad things. 2) Kanji's 5C doesn't Fatal anymore. RIP the only combo I knew how to do in Arena. 3) I can't seem to keep my feet on the ground. That really needs to stop x.x GGsssssssss.
TheHitmarkersPro Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Couple things I learned from tonight: 1) I absolutely abhor Minazuki. That character makes me want to do bad things. 2) Kanji's 5C doesn't Fatal anymore. RIP the only combo I knew how to do in Arena. 3) I can't seem to keep my feet on the ground. That really needs to stop x.x GGsssssssss. Good thing I wasn't there to get my wins with my fraud netplay minazuki then If you need help vs him then shoot me a message on DL or something
indie_animator Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Yukiko's stage is fine; it was "Random" for music. There are a few songs that give me a migraine (disabling illness, yay) and I leave music on so I can cover the crosstalk when I'm in a match. If you want to use one of those songs, it's fine; just give me a heads-up so I can change my volume. We had someone pick a song that gives me a migraine for "lulz," so, yeah, that's why the rule is there. Oh, yeah. Sorry about that. I accidentally did that. I agree, some of the music, like Junes & Mitsuo Rec are completely wrong for a fighting game. Labrys & Teddie themes are "off" imo as well. Probably some others too... I forgot which ones. But I figured out jA jB jA in Training. Just needed to hit the buttons quicker. I hosted a room a few times over the weekend for random people & renamed it Beginner fun. Some people weren't beginners, but it was pretty fun.
Justice7541 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Couple things I learned from tonight: 1) I absolutely abhor Minazuki. That character makes me want to do bad things. 2) Kanji's 5C doesn't Fatal anymore. RIP the only combo I knew how to do in Arena. 3) I can't seem to keep my feet on the ground. That really needs to stop x.x GGsssssssss. Learn to fuzzy jump, it makes the Minazuki matchup borderline free.
Garden Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Ggs to everyone in the lobby tonight it was really fun! I realized that my Yukari kept diving head first into a lot of stuff,but thats probably because I've been playing Narukami on the side. :V Sorry about the title my friend made me do it.
Fortune Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Lol "Casual White Girl" is gold. The Old Fortune Netplay curse came back into play. Probably telling me to go to bed so I'll have to cut all the other leeches in the house.
Anne Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Learn to fuzzy jump, it makes the Minazuki matchup borderline free.No.
mixedmethods Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Learn to fuzzy jump, it makes the Minazuki matchup borderline free. You're free to say what you will but just to clarify for uninvolved parties: Justice7541 has absolutely no affiliation with the group, is not speaking for me or anyone else, etc. It'd be awesome if this thread didn't get derailed and turn into a misinformation minefield. We've been really lucky to have top-level players come by and assist us, as well as answer our stupid questions, and those of us who began the meet-ups back in June have always prioritised finding credible sources and inquisitiveness. There are facts and there are opinions, but newer players often can't tell the difference, and presenting the latter as the former is just ... never a good idea.
ArisatoGod Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 GG to mixedmethods also sorry for the one and done, had to go somewhere with my mom. Hope I can make up for it next time. Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2
Justice7541 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 You're free to say what you will but just to clarify for uninvolved parties: Justice7541 has absolutely no affiliation with the group, is not speaking for me or anyone else, etc.It'd be awesome if this thread didn't get derailed and turn into a misinformation minefield. We've been really lucky to have top-level players come by and assist us, as well as answer our stupid questions, and those of us who began the meet-ups back in June have always prioritised finding credible sources and inquisitiveness. There are facts and there are opinions, but newer players often can't tell the difference, and presenting the latter as the former is just ... never a good idea. You're saying he shouldn't learn to fuzzy jump? I'll admit I didn't actually see the matches in question but I don't think bringing up a useful defensive OS, especially in the context of the Minazuki matchup, is "misinformation." That said I'd rather not derail this particular thread either so I'll just leave it at that.
Anne Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 You're saying he shouldn't learn to fuzzy jump? I'll admit I didn't actually see the matches in question but I don't think bringing up a useful defensive OS, especially in the context of the Minazuki matchup, is "misinformation." That said I'd rather not derail this particular thread either so I'll just leave it at that.Fuzzy jumping Minazuki is more or less ritual suicide. Don't be coming to a new player thread and giving them bad advice.
Balguna Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Learning to fuzzy jump is good, saying that fuzzy jump makes Minazuki pressure borderline free would be misinformation.
mixedmethods Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 You're saying he shouldn't learn to fuzzy jump? I'll admit I didn't actually see the matches in question but I don't think bringing up a useful defensive OS, especially in the context of the Minazuki matchup, is "misinformation." That said I'd rather not derail this particular thread either so I'll just leave it at that. Let's just bracket the "matches in question" part for the moment -- I'd love it if you could just OS Minazuki, but that's part of why he's strong: if you want to 2B (or for characters who can't use 2B, j.A/DP/etc.) teleport, then you're not OSing but rather reacting to the teleport and Fataling it, assuming he hasn't covered himself; if you want to punish his command throw, you're looking at Fuzzy Hop; and if it's a normal tick throw, then, yes, you can use Fuzzy Jump, but Minazuki's options leave you vulnerable if you make the wrong guess on defence. And guessing incorrectly? Ouch. If he lands his command throw with 50 meter and/or gets the meter from the throw, he can finish you with a super cancel if your life is low enough. If you block teleport, he's +4: if you try to Fuzzy Jump it, you're likely to get CH'd from the whiffed throw, while hopping in expectation of a throw leaves you open to it as well, since hops lose to overheads. You can airthrow him out of teleport but the window is tiny; it's not a Narukami 5A > Raging Lion A issue. In a situation where you're choosing from teleport vs. throw vs. command throw, there's no way to cover all options, at least as far as I know. And that's not even taking into account Minazuki's frame traps and the fact that he can blow you up for OSing! Minazuki excels at locking you down, getting you scared, and punishing you for getting antsy. I know what your thoughts are on Minazuki's mix-up but you grossly underestimate his ability to fuck you up. I'd love it if you could reliably beat every option Minazuki has with OSes but the fact that you can't is why he's top-tier. If Fuzzy Jump were the magic bullet, I'm sure we would have heard that long before console release and he wouldn't be resting comfortably as one of the gods of the game. Unless I'm really missing something, there's no way to cleanly OS Minazuki for everything ... same as every other character in the top tier. As far as OSes go, I talk about them constantly and tell everyone to look them over and try them out in training, take note of how various characters can beat them (i.e., what you're looking for in terms of an opponent saying "I think you're OSing and I'm going to call you out for that"), and to at least be aware they exist even if they're not something you're ready to implement. Some of us use them regularly and successfully, some of us don't. M'Ellis taught me the Fuzzy Jump OS when we first met (because I really like learning system mechanics and want to be Omex when I grow up...), then taught the room, and has offered to return and teach us again. I know Chaos is well aware of them, as I've OSed him (and now he's punishing me for it -- never explain the magic trick). So it's rather condescending to tell someone to learn something they already know, nevermind that you look rather foolish since you have no idea what the level of knowledge is, both generally and on a per-player basis, let alone what went down in the match. Hell, if I post "fuck Narukami," it's not because I don't know how to Fuzzy Jump; it's that "Narukami, what the fuck are you doing?" is our group name/catchphrase/motto/all-purpose communication phrase. Defensive OSes are useful, but misusing them will get you killed (timing is real), and God help you if you meet someone who knows how to blow up an OS. And since we're lucky enough to have a high-level player assisting us, we're blessed with the ability to ask a credible source about particular issues. I'm sure Anne will correct anything I've written that's incorrect. The goal of the rooms is to expand knowledge and build good habits, not just OHKO people for being new, learning, etc. Which is why there's that AoA "rule" and why OSes are something everyone is aware of at this point. Doesn't mean some of us don't still hate Minazuki or find him to be a particularly bad MU -- he's decidedly unpleasant for the characters I play (Aigis and Shabrys), but my saying "goddamnit fuck Minazuki" doesn't mean I lack the ability to use OSes. It just means, well, fuck Minazuki. The bad ones are easy enough to beat, but we don't have ones that just mash 5A or teleport at round start.
mixedmethods Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 GG to mixedmethods also sorry for the one and done, had to go somewhere with my mom. Hope I can make up for it next time. Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2No problem! If I removed you on PSN, just add me again. >.> I need to clean up my f-list and with lots of people coming once and then never posting, I don't always know who still wants in and who came, saw, and decided we weren't the right fit.
TheHitmarkersPro Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 The bad ones are easy enough to beat, but we don't have ones that just mash 5A or teleport at round start. We have me!i just mash dp instead
Loryuo Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 i'm feeling like wasting my time, so someone should help me learn aigis combos pre-p4u2 (shadow aigis sucks XD)
mixedmethods Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Guys, please don't upload matches from the room unless the other person consents. >.> I know, everything is public, but training lobbies are for trying shit and seeing what works, Narukami mash-A mirrors, and generally a "no pressure" zone, so uploading your matches defeats the whole freedom to experiment, try and fail, "anything goes" vibe. I really hate being mod-like and killing the fun but this hasn't been an issue until now -- there seemed to be a tacit understanding that what happens in rooms doesn't go on YouTube. Now it's written down. Yay.
Loryuo Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Wait people are uploading those? That's pretty weird.... Also GGs to you all a couple days ago. I had no idea about whole tornado cut super if asterius blocks until then. Also My Shaigis is baaaaaaaaad. XD
Baconzero Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Guys, please don't upload matches from the room unless the other person consents. >.> I know, everything is public, but training lobbies are for trying shit and seeing what works, Narukami mash-A mirrors, and generally a "no pressure" zone, so uploading your matches defeats the whole freedom to experiment, try and fail, "anything goes" vibe. I really hate being mod-like and killing the fun but this hasn't been an issue until now -- there seemed to be a tacit understanding that what happens in rooms doesn't go on YouTube. Now it's written down. Yay. Yeah, that's kinda not fair when your just having "fun / not being serious". I'm sure they wouldn't like it if their "failures" were posted online, and having their reputation tainted... Wait people are uploading those? That's pretty weird.... Also GGs to you all a couple days ago. I had no idea about whole tornado cut super if asterius blocks until then. Also My Shaigis is baaaaaaaaad. XD THEN PLAY NORMAL AIGIS!! (ok...please don't listen to me, really...please don't) jokes aside... As long as your willing to learn, you can really only improve. Heck, I learned Aigis in two months(?), so I know the feeling, lol.
heavymetalmixer Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Not being serious? Oh shit : / I always play seriously, that's the way I get fun, maybe someone here hates me for that, but think about it: I'm giving my 100%, you should too, when a player does his/her better moves or tricks, everything is more fun no matter who wins. And well, for me not playing seriously (not spamming, I hate spamming) is an insult for the opponent: no one wants to be trolled for "being a noob".
Fortune Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 98% of the time, it's usually explicit when we have joke matches and happens way late in the session (Narukami mirrors who obviously don't play him, "Mash A and DP," playing others' main with backseat driving). "Tetsu/Sorashido, Marriage from Hell with Used Car Salesman (who dabbles in human trafficking), Get Hit and Die" matchups are played seriously" We all know to turn up 120% when we have to play you heavy
mixedmethods Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Wait people are uploading those? That's pretty weird.... Also GGs to you all a couple days ago. I had no idea about whole tornado cut super if asterius blocks until then. Also My Shaigis is baaaaaaaaad. XD But you're a beast! You caught every one of my DPs. Would love to see you again, as you're fun to play. That Shadow Aigis combo: "Oh, hey, I know this combo! It only works in the corner, though, because, yeah --- [techs and explains, then decides to not block second hit of Gddess Shield]." I always love fighting Aigis as Shab. I still can't block my own Orgia mix-up, but I picked up Shab because of the MU issue, so it's fun to see it from the other side. As for replays: it's been taken care of, but going forward, yeah, guys, don't take matches from the room or with players from the meet ups and make them public unless the other party agrees. I sure as hell don't want my execution errors spotlighted or see comments about "lol they didn't block that?" because the match was, say, from 4AM and the connexion laggy. Part of the reason the group meets is because we seriously don't care if you win or lose as long as you want to learn, so it's always been a "safe," no (real) trash talk kind of zone. If someone's trying to integrate OSes or learning a MU, shit will get fucked up, but no one is going to try either if the risk of those matches being uploaded is there. In any event, it's not an issue right now and it shouldn't be going forward, but now we have "rule."heavy: No one isn't playing seriously (unless it's a Narukami-Narukami fight) -- I think we all give it our all. (To the point where I make you guys chill with those Narukami mirrors.... and then Chaos just felt bad inside, my bad). It's more that there's actual trial and error going on during matches ("can I do X when he does Y"), and the fact that, well, after the five hour mark, no one's playing their best any longer. Trust me: I cut you no slack. ;D (GET BACK HERE AND STAY DOWN. FUCKING DISCO NINJA FROG.) Never have, never will. I mean, "okay, guys, I can't answer any questions now because I'm about to play heavy and I have to focus" (obligatory "FUCK YOU" from Fortune...) is said regularly. It's more... the room changes as it gets later and later. By 3AM, I've made it clear that you shouldn't expect much. "I'm tired and I want to be Bancho and just... kick my friends in the face. Because BONDS."
Fortune Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Also I meant to mention that I plan on getting a capture card but more for randoms or FTX sets for analysis. (Or comedic death CMVs, mixed we should make that a thing!) But I'd say so before/block the PSN from being visible anyways if I did.
Rickt Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Most I'll ever do when it comes to the serious thing is just mess around with one of my (trash) subs. It's not really a thing of not being serious, it's just a thing where I find characters that aren't my main fun to play once in a while. I'm still giving it my 100% with the characters I play. I do the same in BB as well. .... and then Chaos just felt bad inside, my bad Can't help it. Winning with Day -50 Narukami feels so fraudulent. My Narukami is still worst Narukami tho.
TheHitmarkersPro Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Also I meant to mention that I plan on getting a capture card but more for randoms or FTX sets for analysis. (Or comedic death CMVs, mixed we should make that a thing!) But I'd say so before/block the PSN from being visible anyways if I did. Persona always has good stuff for comedic CMVs, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLYpsLChDzQ&feature=youtu.be I uploaded the 2 replays for critique, but I took them down. They were in my top 5 most recent and they were good fights, but I guess I didn't consider the other party. Sorry, I already messaged mixedmethods about this anyway. "I'm tired and I want to be Bancho and just... kick my friends in the face. Because BONDS." I am putting this in my sig. I'm dying right now irl.
Recommended Posts