chzchan Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Haha 214D into j.236D > j.214D for maximum resource wasting. Also Celica matchup looks like it is going to be a huge pain. Like fighting Ragna and Noel at the same time.
Kiba Posted October 8, 2014 Author Posted October 8, 2014 In that video against Celica, notice at 9:14, the 236C causes a spin state rather than a blowback when Celica was in the air. It was counter hit, so it's unknown whether that will be the case on normal hit.
chzchan Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 If 236C does cause that on normal hit, 236B will be the go to when doing 5C > 2C during a combo that has the opponent off the ground. This means slightly less damage unless they actually fiddled around with her damage and proration data behind our backs.
Monarch Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Some odd changes. With our rekka being slightly changed, I wonder what direction our combo routes are going to go in..
zaeris Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 for me im going to pretend my character is super weak xD get push into the corner every round and bam easy side switch combo with 236c and laugh but contiunes to be push into the other corner.
chzchan Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 適当>C槍スカ>5C2C>D剣>jccOD>6C>CT>6BB>特殊閃>6C>D焔 落ちぶれたタカヒロSP。 Etc. > 623C > (implied j.214X whiff?) > 5C > 2C > 214D > Jump Cancel? > OD > 6C > CT > 6BB > 236X > 236236D 中央 5BBCC>C槍スカ>5C2C>前ジャンプC>D光>ディレイ翼>5D>5C2C>C閃 3054 5BB > 5CC > 623C > (implied j.214X whiff?) > 5C > 2C > No idea > 421D > What the hell > j.214X > 5D > 5C > 2C > 236C Holy shit I am so confused. A翼>D焔。 j.214A > 236236D Okay so we can go into DD ender after air combo without charge. D剣>jc>JD>JC>5C 214D > Jump Cancel > j.D > j.C > 5C That's pretty neat. You charge as the opponent falls downward and then hit a j.C right as both of you are about to touch the ground and go into 5C. 中央はD風、端はB風。そっからいろいろ考える。 Something about 214B and 214D. No idea what he is saying. グラヲさんのD光翼>弾当てからの追撃は5D>ダッシュ5Cもok。 Something about 421D, but really no idea. From Spinoza twitter. There's also this from him which is making me afraid: バイバイツバキ。 Bye bye Tsubaki.
chzchan Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Command Grab does 1200 damage now. Still gives 2 charges, but that's 240 more damage than it does now.
Zouf Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 適当>C槍スカ>5C2C>D剣>jccOD>6C>CT>6BB>特殊閃>6C>D焔 落ちぶれたタカヒロSP。 Etc. > 623C > (implied j.214X whiff?) > 5C > 2C > 214D > Jump Cancel > OD > 6C > CT > 6BB > 236X > 236236D 中央 5BBCC>C槍スカ>5C2C>前ジャンプC>D光>ディレイ翼>5D>5C2C>C閃 3054 5BB > 5CC > 623C > (implied j.214X whiff?) > 5C > 2C > backjump C > j.236D > delayed j.214A > 5D > 5C > 2C > 236C A翼>D焔。 j.214A > 236236D Okay so we can go into DD ender after air combo without charge. D剣>jc>JD>JC>5C 214D > Jump Cancel > j.D > j.C > 5C That's pretty neat. You charge as the opponent falls downward and then hit a j.C right as both of you are about to touch the ground and go into 5C. 中央はD風、端はB風。そっからいろいろ考える。 Something about 22D or 22B ender, not really sure what's implying here グラヲさんのD光翼>弾当てからの追撃は5D>ダッシュ5Cもok。 No idea what D光翼 is. Could be j.236D or 421D. Anyway he's saying that this move, followed by 5D > dash 5C is ok. It's probably j.236D From Spinoza twitter. There's also this from him which is making me afraid: バイバイツバキ。 Bye bye Tsubaki. fixed what I could. Either j.236D has now a huge hitstun, or 5D recovers faster (lol doubtful)
chzchan Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Thanks man. I'm interested in if they really did change up her 5D, 2D, and j.D. I'm pretty sure they probably just buffed j.236D, though because changing 5D to have faster recovery would be too good of a buff. Oh also you are right about D光翼 not being 421D. I actually went back to my shitty earlier translations and I had a guide for them and I confused the hell out of myself and didn't check twice or edit. It is referring to using j.236D into j.214X.
Zouf Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 5BB > 5CC > 623C > j.214w > 5C > 2C > j.B > j.C( C ) > 5C > 2C > 214B > 5C > 2CC > jCC > (j.236A?) j.214A : 3200 damage oh gawd? And what the hell with that j.C 5C loop.
zaeris Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Sounds like dp whiff will be back in the focus in cp2 I hope this mean we can play the mid screen game better.
chzchan Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Wait so the jump loop lives? Or is this just because of 623C not launching nearly as high? Is this Midscreen or corner? That's some good damage I must admit. They must have changed some damage or P2 values around somewhere. So they're buffing her chargeless damage along with making 623C > j.214A(w) combos more lenient. If her chargeless damage got buffed then what do her 1 and 2 charge combos look like now. Damn I am excited.
Velvien Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 5BB > 5CC > 623C > j.214w > 5C > 2C > j.B > j.C( C ) > 5C > 2C > 214B > 5C > 2CC > jCC > (j.236A?) j.214A : 3200 damage oh gawd? And what the hell with that j.C 5C loop. *jawdrop* Tsu's sounding great so far this time. I guess there hasn't been any word on if j.214D's still overhead?
Kiba Posted October 10, 2014 Author Posted October 10, 2014 5BB > 5CC > 623C > j.214w > 5C > 2C > j.B > j.C( C ) > 5C > 2C > 214B > 5C > 2CC > jCC > (j.236A?) j.214A : 3200 damage Where did you get this from?
chzchan Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I hope it is. At least how I am interpreting these changes so far, now with the news of higher Midscreen and probably overall damage as well as her slightly faster charge rate, charges may be shifting focus to utility and neutral use instead of absolutely needing them in combos so that the 3k ceiling can be broken. I want to see what else they did to her D specials.
chzchan Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Where did you get this from? @Spinoza33: BBCC>C槍スカ>5C2C>JBJC（C）>5C2C>B剣>5C2CC>JCC>A光翼 3231
chzchan Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Spinoza in particular is posting a lot of combo stuff. Others like Wara and Kuresu seem to be posting more about specific specials or moves? Wara posted a few combos, but overall the largest mass of information is coming from Spinoza's twitter. I wish I knew what they were saying.
Airk Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Wow. If that's midscreen (sounds like it is) that's like... honest to goodness real good damage off 5BB. That's... kinda scary.
chzchan Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 If that is off of 5BB > 5CC, then I wonder what it will be if you just do 5CC. Or what if they adjusted base damage and P values enough so that it doesn't matter? For instance, 5CC > 623C > j.214A(w) > 5C(dash) > 2C > 214B > 5C > 2CC > j.CC > j.236A > j.214A does 3151 damage while 5BB > 5CC > 623C > j.214A(w) > 5C(dash) > 2C > 214B > 5C > 2CC > j.CC > j.236A > j.214A does 2742. If P values are the same, the 5BB > 5CC combo should maybe probably do 3500-3600 damage if started with 5CC. Man this is gonna be fun.
chzchan Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 It would be really funny if this is happening because they bumped her character combo rate up to 75 or 80 just because they could.
Airk Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 It would be really funny if this is happening because they bumped her character combo rate up to 75 or 80 just because they could. I dunno; In the grand realm of "things I wish they would do to fix this character" I'd rank "screw it, just give her more damage off everything" as probably my least favorite.
chzchan Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Yeah. It really was the lazy way out. See, it is an attempt to fix her ridiculously unbalanced risk/reward by giving her more reward. It is a core problem being fixed kinda, but I wish they would have done more things about the risk part instead and gave her more room for creativity that is actually practical. I can't really complain about the extra damage though.
zaeris Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 It's probably due to the combo itself since it is linking several thing where before we couldn't do much at mid screen without charges, it's got the same amount input as her corner dp combo.
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