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I can understand why people reach that conclusion Matt. I think if I felt more comfortable doing something else I would do it more. Lets try this from another approach. Instead of focusing on me, how do you approach defensive players? Whats your thought process and gameplan for winning a match vs say... Rick's Honda or a defensive Balrog.

KOF / Samurai Sen / Pocket Fighter / TMNT / Plinko Jon Brent Pedobear Black Guy Charles

My problem with Rick has always been (for me) trying to get around cr.LP into hands. It seems like it outranges most of Fei's pokes and leads to much better damage. I also have issues anti airing him and pretty much get randomly headbutted / can't seem to throw or throw tech bait Rick for the life of me. I've NEVER felt like it was random that was killing me in that match. It was more like I just couldn't play footsie with him... Honda's pokes are ridiculous considering what they give him, and LP headbutt being so hard to punish and doing what it does... that shit's just hard to fight for Fei. Also to explain my flame kicking: I do it during peoples block strings because, frankly, it works when mixed up and not done every time. I try to stop when I see that it doesn't and try NOT to do it if I don't have meter. I do it with a slight delay after certain attacks to beat retaliation and throw techs, which works amazingly well. cr.LK .... wait.... flame kick will almost always hit a throw tech. I know another move would work for that purpose but with a flame kick it also covers jumps and a host of other moves, as well as not having to worry about if I waited too long to bait it, so I'm more likely to hit their tech attempt and not get counter hit. I do chicken wing to: Beat standing pokes. Beat Throws. Beat backdash. Escape from cross ups. Catch jump outs. But yeah I've been trying to play Chun / Rose more lately because of their lack of stuff that can get me killed just trying to learn to fight without those moves. Also helps they have better pokes / safer moves than Fei. And Chun's walk speed is really nice after playing Fei lol

Yeah Tager is hard to play online, too hard to instant block / spot gaps and do tagery stuff for me. Tager doesn't seem like the kind of character you can just do shit with and it'll work, there has to be a clear "i see this so I'm going to do this" kind of gameplan and I don't think that works online. You can still do his mix up game once you catch them but it's like... getting them to that point is super hard not being able to put stuff where you need it in order to get inside. You could always play the local guys though. My matches with NC players have been good connection wise.

Well I understand his points of view on that because that's the sort of player he is, but he also doesn't play Fei and I don't always think his advice is valid in regards to the character. I remember he used to tell me to abuse Fei's fast walk speed or whatever in the past when he actually has shitty walk speed. It used to be fast in ST but you can actually just sort of walk away from him now and he has a lot of trouble catching up. I have a problem with overextending myself trying to catch up to people moving away from me so that's where I take a lot of my hits, which is probably the #1 reason I lost at the last tournament. I just feel like people assume that the stuff I do is random guesses / whatevers and discredit it but when other people do it, it's good reads. I've tried just walking up to people turtling and blocking a lot and trying to play footsie but I still find myself losing in those situations, I feel like there's something else missing because to me I've always just felt like I can't catch turtles or open them up very well with Fei. I see players and I know when I'm going to lose to them just by watching them play and honestly can't formulate a way to beat certain strats. It's like... when I lose in match it's me getting counter poked / running into shit and turtled on but then everyone else sees me lose and goes Jon + Lose = JON WAS RANDOM. It seems like no one ever wants to attribute it to me just being outplayed, which from my end it usually feels like for me. In regards to walk up more vs Bison, I did try that and it seemed like every time I started to move forward I'd randomly run into a scissors or something and then when I tried to bait the scissors or standing HK he just wouldn't do it or like dash forward randomly and throw me. That happens practically every time I try to play defensive, same vs Honda. Some days my reaction speed just isn't good enough to see that stuff in time. So I guess I feel like I am better at reading people and forcing them to make decisions, which I think I've done very well when people try to fight me straight up but when I get put in a situation where I have to react I start to struggle because I really just can't seem to react to some stuff ie whiff punishing in footsie or whatever. So that's why I play the way I do. I dunno maybe there is some key feature of footsie I am missing that goes through people's heads that I haven't figured out yet. I know it has to be something. But people always say block more to me and it just seems like a "i dunno what to say but I saw you get hit a lot in our match so I guess you shoulda been blocking when you got hit" kind of response but there's reasons that go further than that as to why I wasn't blocking at that time. As far as playing people seriously, most of the time I do. The ONLY person I dicked around on was Jimmy in that fight because he really didn't seem like he knew what he was doing yet and I didn't want to completely crush him for those brief 2 matches we had. I fought him again recently at Cheese's and he seemed to have a MUCH better grasp on the game / character so I just played for real. It's like... when we first picked up GG and would play Blake and it would just be a combo exhibition into oki and traps into more combos... you don't learn shit that way. I was still fighting serious but I was just doing stuff that didn't end in ridiculous combos and mixups, so he had more time to learn the neutral game and what he should be doing. And as far as Roski coming up like I said I don't expect that out of him, was just irked because he sounded like he was willing to make the drive but didn't want to play anyone there (me included), when in the past I KNOW he's struggled against me. So I would think he'd want practice.. I know I do. To be blunt, it was insulting and disrespectful. So yeah, sorry for the long post, was just trying to explain my thought process, since you asked.

Yeah I pretty much agree with Blake on both points. Didn't say Carl was particularly broker than the current top tier but I do think it's just not fun to fight. It's like.... TVC original Karas "god damnit" kind of. And Dale I don't think you're a bad player, you just need to stick with it and stop telling us you suck lol. Just keep playing. I think you would do good to play more online because when you're just learning, it's hard to get in the back to back matches to learn at a gathering because of having to wait in rotations. Large gatherings are terrriiiible for learning on new players.

I hope that double character design NEVER makes it into another game. They're not fun to fight like... ever. Match = don't get knocked down / sandwiched then HOPE YOU CAN BLOCK RIGHT. Those characters are always dumb. Eddie, Carl, the girl who's name I forgot in Arcana.... yeah. 2 heads are better than one.

So what happened yesterday Austin? Did you mixup forever and create rage?

Yeah but not having good players and not liking to play the good players there is two different things. Especially when it's complaining about guessing. No one complains about a good Abel when 90% of his game is getting in your face and guessing so I don't get why Fei doing that bothers people so much when he was clearly designed to be able to do that pretty well. Pretty much most things in FGs are guessing really. There's bits and pieces of reacting here and there but most of it is based off of educated guesses, even footsie. You would -_-

I honestly have very little experience vs that playstyle outside of tournaments so I might learn a little and adapt if we ever PLAYED. I remember at the tournament I wasn't sure how to beat st.HK and HK CW USED to beat it, but after messing around in training mode, the new speed of CW coupled with st.HK seeming slightly different, it doesn't work anymore. I need to learn to counter poke the fast walk speed fast and large button characters but yeah... opportunity to play them = 0 usually. The people that do play them don't play them right, that's for sure. I mean I know it's a ways out if you feel like you don't have anything to learn from the drive but how is the community supposed to get better if you pick and choose who you play based solely on if you like fighting them? If I learned to fight you, I would get better, thus, helping you get better, thus, helping me get better, and so forth. I would loooooooooove a session where we just grinded out some fights and you pointed out things and vice versa as the matches progressed. I know you're opposed to online but you wanna give it a shot 1v1 sometime this week?

I'm at Cheese's and would like to play you more. I don't know if I make your list of people you want to play since you beat me in the last tournament but I know I need practice against good turtles lol

You guys and your ninja gatherings. Just come to cheese's place and put Melty on a side TV. I doubt he'd care.

Sam you need a ride tomorrow to Cheese's? He lives right by you guys so just lemme know.

Thems fightan words from Brent. Trykt, you should release your attack son on him.

Cause the balance patch is gonna stick it up her butt like Rachel? Just saying, top tier that's blatantly top tier is usually gonna get hit in the face with the nerf bat pretty hard. Same will probably happen to Bang but I've got Valk coming so I kinda have it planned out to go like that, if it does.

omggggg he got done wrestling bears and hippies to come post. How've you been man? Things just aren't like the days back when we used to play at *insert over idealized arcade memories*. Me and *insert older black person* didn't used to play that way back in the day, it was about learning. I don't get you kids these days, especially *insert whatever white player is winning at the moment*. Back in *insert egypt related analogy*, that shit didn't happen. NC is shady, no wonder it fails. PS BEFORE I SEEM LIKE A HYPOCRITE IT'S A JOKE. WE ARE JOKING.

I think the big thing is like cr.MP to drill isn't really confirmable or safe but most people can't punish it so you guys just do it anyway and get in the habit of it. That's how it is for me with Rose atleast.

Man if it really is possible to make drills completely safe then I'm not gonna lie, Brent and Art suck at it lol. Is it only the HK version that has a lot of active frames? I still think focus is good in this match because if you're making rose do raw drills, you are playing it right. You can just backdash them to avoid getting hit usually. You really just have to watch. Most of roses game is single hit long range pokes so I really do think focus has a place here. I've had luck with it, atleast. And yeah you are right about U2 being great for a get out of jail free card but if you do bait it, it's really not as scary as people make it out to be once it's on the screen. It shuts down you jumping at her (shouldn't jump at range anyway because of cr.HP) and wakeup pressure has to account for it but really she kinda needed it. As far as the buffs you listed Brent, yeah the cr.HP thing is big, I didn't know that. Sweep is -10? That's new. I'ma start rekkaing you on block now lol

Well considering Brent PLAYS her and I've fought Brent a bazillion times, I'd think we'd know what we're talking about lol Brent we should change our team name to Team French Time Paradox. IMHO IMO IRS ICO

Here's my knowledge of rose: Beware of slide, pay attention the spacing. If he does it too close you can punish. If he does it far away, you should be prepared to delayed crouch tech as he's either going to do that or cr.MP afterwards. Focus attack is pretty good in this match so I'd suggest learning to use it properl..... oh wait you play Ken. Go into training mode and practice punishing drills at a distance. I know Fei can cr.LP rekkas them on block but he does have a good bit of range, but since Ken has a 4 frame cr.MK, that may also work. You gotta show him that drills aren't safe or let him keep giving you free damage. This is how I got like half my damage on Arturo. Also try to be aware of her backdash when you are pressuring. It's like the DP for that character since it goes so far so he can just mash it during block strings. I imagine Ken can step kick or kara throw it if he watches for it while attacking. Generally though, there is no reason to be scared of Rose if you work on your teching. Delayed OS throw tech is AMAZING in this game and you should definitely learn to use it, as it will shut down a lot of Rose's game. She's another character where down back kinda rapes her. If she's throwing fireballs don't be afraid to jump even if it's kinda late as their recovery and startup suck. Crossups can be good on her and I'd say work on your Vortex with Ken because Rose dies on wakeup for free. Once you notice he has ultra, start baiting it. Generally you can just down back her to death once she activates ultra so DON'T BE SCARE. If he seems overaggressive with them, stuff with invincibility will still go through them so if he does something silly like jump or try to do soul throw to get close, just EX DP her in the taint and get those balls out of there. Really though drills are never safe, it's just about if you can reach them or not. Practice the spacing and knowing what you can use and the fight gets a lot easier. As far as rose being a real character, she was good before too. U2 really isn't as good as people make it out to be. It's just better than that other shitty ultra. I don't even think they changed anything with her other than the ultra.

Buttons buttons buttons reset buttons buttons buttons reset SUPER KO General flowchart for a round involving Carl.

It's still harder to spot at a glance. Seriously though scroll down the list, all of them really do have new or newer in the title >_<

Yeah I'd come support you guys if I was out there. People are gonna lose... it's all about just learning from the experience. Also, I wish Matt woulda been more creative with the thread title. It's hard to find the thread since EVERY title has NEW or NEWER in it lol.

I swear I'ma move to the mountains one day and start a scene up there lol. Can state host this weekend? What is the deaaaaaal.

I like how all the tier lists are like the same thing but maybe slightly moved around.