zeth07

While this might not be exactly what you guys are talking about, I saw in one Japanese video (can't remember which one): Really high in the air Purple Command Grab->They break it->Bang does A-Nail (I'm guessing TK'd because it had forward momentum in the air still->air Command Grab. It looked awesome and I don't think I've ever seen it like that. It was more like a tick command throw then an actual tech trap because there was no teching involved. I guess that's something else to think about even though it might be a rare occurence.

Just to provide an example to the discussion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdtXa3pGDJc#t=7m38s That Guard Bonus didn't do that Tager much good at guessing the next mix-up, instead he got totally freaked by some crazy ass mix-up and ended up eating 6k. These long GAMEacho sets with "Nezu" (I don't know if it really is Nezu) pretty much destroying these people with FRKZ should be able to provide plenty of examples to the discussion for why it shouldn't have a huge impact on deciding whether to do it during a block string or not.

I was watching some videos for the video thread recently and thought about this while watching Nezu play (or who I think is Nezu). The main point of it still stands as pretty much a free guessing game because I'm sure most people can't react fast enough to Bang's FRKZ mix-ups in that particular situation even after an IB (unless they are mashing). So in that case, they still have to guess right out of "quite a few" choices the Bang player can make. Even if they guess right once, in most cases I'm sure the Bang can almost go into another mix-up immediately after so it is another guess they have to make (but I guess that also depends on what they go for after the IB). During the FRKZ "start-up", I would say the Bang player is definitely in control of the mind games at that point, whether it is during a block string or not. In one instance, I saw "Nezu" just do 5A into tick command throw, they IB'd the 5A and he still caught em with the command throw probably from them not doing anything even after the IB'd 5A from being scared of Bang's FRKZ pressure/mix-up. While it may help out the opponent by giving them IB's, I don't think it helps them enough to completely disregard doing FRKZ even during a blockstring. I could literally do the 9dash-j.C after FRKZ startup in like 5 straight rounds and I'm sure most people still wouldn't block it. People either can't react fast enough to it, or are too busy thinking too hard or being scared and get caught by it 9/10 times. In my personal opinion, I'd say don't let this mechanic stop you from doing it, but definitely remember it is there. Besides that, I think there are plenty of opportunities to use FRKZ outside of a blockstring (and still be to your advantage) to where you might not even have to worry about it.

(Jourdal actually uploaded 5 and 6, not 7, so I did 1-4 + 7) Dio (CA) / Shadow (HK) vs. Dora (BA) Akira (TG) vs. Dora (BA) Akira (TG) vs. Keita (TK) Akira (TG) vs. Dora (BA) Keita (TK) vs. Dora (BA) Akira (TG) vs. Dora (BA) Akira (TG) / Dora (BA) vs. Kaqn (RG) Dora (BA) vs. Satoshi (BA) / Akira (TG) Kaqn (RG) vs. Akira (TG) / Satoshi (BA) Kaqn (RG) vs. Satoshi (BA) Kaqn (RG) vs. Dora (BA) Satoshi (BA) / Kaqn (RG) vs. Akira (TG) Kaqn (RG) vs. Shirushi (JI) Kaqn (RG) vs. Satoshi (BA)

You probably should have asked this in the discussion thread or questions thread, but in CS Bang can get 4 seals pretty much off anything. Off 5B, off a throw, off drives, so it should be a non-issue with getting seals. Not only that, considering one of the BnBs gives you 2 seals anyway you could easily just land 2 of those and you're good to go without sacrificing too much damage going for a seal specific combo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cSYPG749_E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WMKFwPvw2E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fldGfJHw2M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7f6hOfbzc

How hard are those j.4C loops compared to CT Tager FRKZ standing loops / crouching loops? The j.4C loops are pretty much just 9dash-j.4C over and over right (EDIT: or the 8dash versions)? They don't seem too hard but then again I haven't really messed around with em yet. I only ask because I could do that CT Tager FRKZ standing loop pretty much perfectly even online, and can do a modified version of the crouching loop easily as well. The only one that gives me trouble is just doing straight up 2B-9dash-j.4C (old one)-repeat, so I imagine it is pretty much like that in terms of difficulty. So any rough guess of how much harder it is than those? I'm starting to use FRKZ more frequently and I'm getting quite used to it, so I expect to be using it a lot in CS especially considering how much damage it produces and how easy it is to get seals. So this is kinda useful information that I should know and know what I have to prepare for.

Gamechariot 14on14 - Semi-Final 1 = Tokyo vs. Chiba - 03/22/10 BLEED (LI) vs. Ebi Fry (TS) BLEED (LI) vs. Sakkaishi (NO) Satoshi (BA) vs. Sakkaishi (NO) Satoshi vs. Naru (RG) Satoshi vs. Matsu (RC) Satoshi vs. Kaqn (RG) Satoshi vs. Aatei (HZ) Satoshi vs. Dora Satoshi vs. Dennou (JI) Satoshi vs. Minori (LA)

Gamechariot 3on3 pick-ups - 03/24/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10545457 Finals http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10545710 Post-ranbat pick-ups http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10545859 Neba – 04/10/10: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10436926 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10436663 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10413521 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10374792 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10437045 Tachikawa Singles – 04/16/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10413834 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10413895 Neba Ranbat 2on2 - 05/15/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10766977 [Nico Video](First Match) Slipper (BA) vs. Zen (LI) - Neba Ranbat 2on2 - 05/15/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10767157 [Nico Video](2:55) Slipper (BA) vs. Hayate (HZ) - Neba Ranbat 2on2 - 05/15/10 [Nico Video](6:00) Slipper (BA) vs. キャロ (LI) - Neba Ranbat 2on2 - 05/15/10 Tonai Bousho Ranbat 2on2 - 05/18/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10825817 [Nico Video](First Match) Gray-hair Bang vs. Default Litchi [Nico Video](6:20) Gray-hair Bang vs. Green Tsubaki [Nico Video](13:13) Blue-jacket Hazama vs. Red Bang [Nico Video](16:47) Gray-hair Bang vs. Pink Litchi [Nico Video](22:21) Gray-hair Bang vs. Purple Jin http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10826155 [Nico Video](19:37) Bright Green Hazama vs. Red Bang [Nico Video](22:00) Gray-hair Bang vs. Black Litchi [Nico Video](26:10) Gray-hair Bang vs. Red Bang http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10826455 [Nico Video](15:34) Purple Jin vs. Red Bang [Nico Video](22:30) Gray-hair Bang vs. Dark Purple Arakune [Nico Video](25:43) Gray-hair Bang vs. Default Jin [Nico Video](29:24) Gray-hair Bang vs. Bright Green Hazama Tachikawa Singles - 05/21/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10799574 [Nico Video](7:34) 伊達・オスカー・政宗（NO) vs. 将（BA）- Tachikawa Singles - 05/21/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10799636 [Nico Video](2nd Match) パ○オツ・デ・ビー○ク（RG）VS　ザンザン (BA) -Tachikawa Singles - 05/21/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10799719 織田・アンジェリーク・信長（BA）　　VS　将（BA） 第６２話「禁じられた遊び」（TG）　VS　ザンザン（BA） 将（BA) vs.　第６２話「禁じられた遊び」（TG） http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10799793 織田・アンジェリーク・信長（HZ）　VS　ザンザン（BA） TOUGEKI SBO qualifiers - Game41 – 05/15/10 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10753219 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10753667

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