Moy_X7

Jin IS a bad character because I can't win with him, tru fax. I actually have an easier time winning with Jin than Plat, maybe because I've been playing him since CT lol. This whole thing just revolved around me explaining to D_E why Ragna dominates Plat in neutral. Really, if it was about Plat just being sucky then I wouldn't play her to begin with. Then again, I play these two characters because I like their fighting style (balance), nothing else.

Her instant overhead j.D (Pan) is punishable by 5A but your timing has to be flawless, you'll have to advance input 5A.

The unblockables are extremely situational though. You need a ground hit-confirm, Missiles/Bombs, 50 Heat, and the Hammer as the next weapon. When I get all of that I'm all like "thank you Based God". The command grab has a 24 frame start-up, assuming that's it's done point blank, if not then you get a few extra frames to jump out and it's highly punishable. The only times I use that thing is if I'm going for the kill, if I can't crack the guy's defense (lol SKD blocked all my mix-up), or if I want to recharge my current item. She has a lot of tools but it doesn't help that a lot of them are situational. If I get an item that helps with neutral in the beginning of the match, then I'm set but if I don't then I'm gonna have a helluva time trying to land a hit.

lol wut, Plat is A-tier? Since when? I guess blaming it on tiers was dumb on my part but my point still stands, Ragna's neutral > Plat's neutral.

Oh, and just so you don't say that I'm being biased or whatever... Words from the Rag mod and one of the better players out there.

lol what the hell? So I just jump around like an idiot when I just told you that Plat can't compete with Ragna in the air either? Except that your 5B is actually a pretty decent AA as well and doing jump back j.C will get me CH'd for a shitton of damage. Except that I can't punish it as well as you can punish my 5B. You can just do 66 5B to punish it whereas I have to be fucking spot on with my 5B to punish or else I get 5B'd, AGAIN. I should just try to air grab them but that will get me so far once they start teching it (if if even landed to begin with). It's not about the reward as much as the fact that it shuts down my AA attempts. It's like saying I shouldn't pogo through projectiles because there's no reward to it (unless I pogo DS or Jin's 2D). Not impossible but hella uphill. Plat is not low tier for no reason, you know? Anyways, this is the last post you'll see from me as I'm hell sleepy. tl;dr Ragna's neutral shits all over Plat's neutral and he has the most powerful defensive option in the game. The fact that I'm getting wins from you is based solely in the fact that either you're not up to par with Ragna (or as a player, maybe) or I'm just getting better reads on you.

Thing is that you actually CAN throw swords at Heart Car range, they just have to be 2D or 6D. So I have to make a good read and the risk-reward is nowhere near in my favor since I know that Lambda can get a shitload of damage and saw oki from an AA sword. So no, I'm not using that thing unless you're in the corner where I can make the damage count. What I do need to start using more often is the pogo stick to go through them. I've used it against Spike Chaser with a LOT of success, I just need to start using it against swords now.

Missiles and Bombs are situational and the latter can get you hurt if you hurl a bomb in the incorrect direction; they're somewhat like Lamb's swords in that aspect. lol no, she's worried about 5B, j.C, and 6A more than ID. Not only do I have to space 5B pretty well so that I don't get kicked in the face but a whiffed 5B means a 5B of your own in my face. If I'm not spot on with my 5Bs and 2Bs then I get hurt, specially with the latter as I'm left in a crouching state. This is why approaching from the air is an option I must bet on and your 6A can shut that down pretty well. My j.C gets an extended hurt-box on the last few active frames so I'll get tagged by 6A even when I do j.C at max range. I can't do air to air with Ragna because none of Plat's normals hit above her in the air, I have to try and AA you with my slow ass 6A that can be easily baited with a double jump or a Berial Edge. Most of the time I have to just block the j.C because 6A has an awkward hit-box and 2C is hella punishable. @HK - meh, if I guess the Heart Car incorrectly then I eat a 6D or get punished heavily if you block it. That thing is not worth using unless you're close to the corner where I can get something out of it.

GGs to XKaiser, HK, and Mash. Shoutouts to HK stealing wins for me Shoutouts to XKaiser not Bursting for whatever reason Shoutouts to Mash trying to grab me to no avail. NOT THIS TIME LIBRARY. Shoutouts to shoutouts lol

You're getting better but you're still not quite up there yet. Keep it up, not much longer til you get there. GGs XDest, I was all like "TK Ice Sword, j.B Air to Air, random j.Cs" and anytime I whiffed one I ate 3.4K lol. Also, Bombs are pretty decent against Tao lol.

Not bad but not even either, probably slightly in his favor. I'm more likely to make a mistake and lose 4K with those normals than Ragna is lol. Hakumen grade normals? I wish, the only normals worth mentioning are 5A and 2B, maybe j.C. Her pressure is not even that crazy, she can try to be Arakune all she wants with j.2C but it's not gonna happen lol. You're thinking CSII, 5A was +1 on block, her shit was actually crazy in those days lol.

lol wut If that's the only reason you were losing then why didn't you adapt? I'm over here playing Advanced Noob's Ragna and he's playing him like he should be played and I'm not winning a single match. DPs when I'm + from a bomb/missile, stagger pressure into 2C > pressure reset, abusing the hell outta j.C cuz there's not much I can do about it at certain angles, etc. Damn, my keyboard batteries are dying, brb

Come on D_E, you're playing Rags. That battle should be way the hell uphill for me with either of my characters lol. You know why you were losing though, right? I was looking for your mash and random DPs while I was pushing buttons where I thought they would beat you. There are three instances where I would mash: - Mashing A to tech out during air combos, if I tech then I stop mashing unless I don't react to the tech animation on time. - During jab pressure and even then I'm not even mashing them. I keep track of the number of jabs, dash in and reset. - If I have the bat and IB something. If I whiff it or it gets blocked then I'll use Bat again. Not really mashing there though. Like I told Lich the other day, people need to know the difference between dumb mash and abare.

It looks like no one read my last post so here it goes again lol

It may not be legit to you but it worked. I was like "Why does ID have some much range!?" lol Oh yeah, I don't mash Bat during your own combos, that's just dumb. I mash A until I tech, then I use whatever I see fit. If you're recovering from something then I do j.B/j.C, if I feel like you're going to beat me with whatever then I use the Bat. In the same way, if you drop a combo then you should DP, you'd be surprised how often it works. Then you get them to bait it and you use that against them, blah, blah. DPs are a powerful tool when used right, you condition people and you get out of tight spots. Win-win lol @Shin - there are way too many Rags that either go even with me or straight up demolish me but the ones that are usually active are Jason and Mash, pretty sure that Batou and you could go either even or beat me more often than not.

Err... that's pretty legit actually. If you're minus then the obvious answer would be to DP, more power to you if you have the meter to RC. Do it once, then wait for me to bait it next time and use that to your advantage. DPs are just another way to mindfuck someone. As for me mashing Bat, if I IB something then I'm mashing the hell out of it since it's a 1-button reversal lol. If I whiff then I still mash it. What? You think I'm just gonna sit there and either let you punish me or start your own pressure? lol

I was like... I whiffed 5D (Bat)? 5D again I IB'd DS at that distance? 5B it is He's too far away for any more moves to connect and I IB'd the last one? 5B it is He's going to use 5B and I'm at the perfect range to low profile it with 2B? 2B it is IB > CDT/Yukikaze lololol

When in netplay, do as the netplayers would lololol

Screw you and your various godlike C moves :< GGs D_E, wish you would stop getting so salty all the time. Remember, I don't just push buttons during your pressure like a fool, I push them when I know they will land (for the most part) lol. As for wake-up throws, if I feel like you're going to bait my DP then I just grab you. If you were going to bait it then you get grabbed, if you use 6B too late you get grabbed, if you use DS too late you get grabbed lololol

I'd say the same thing if it were anyone else really, don't take it to heart :p Seriously though, we need to play some more, I need that Mu exp.

We should play cookie because I don't remember you doing either of those even once last time we played lol

Good shit Shin, you're moving up in the world.

I lol'd pretty hard DP'ing during wake-up can hardly be considered as "the perfect opportunity to DP" :p @Haven - I'd play you but remember how crappy our connection is

lol "I swear I was blocking high"

My thoughts exactly lol. Good shit to him for achieving such a feat though. GGs Dusk, I lol'd at myself for not being able to block 4D even once even when I knew it was coming. "This time I'll bl.... son of a bitch."