Moy_X7

Sadeyo, you owe me some matches. Let's do this before I go to bed.

Then less talking, more training/netplaying

There's always an answer to something. You could always just frame trap him with 5B > 2B IF a Jin were ever gutsy enough to mash 3C during your strings. 3C low profiles under a lot of things and it also gets beat by a lot of things. It's an option that can be countered, just like anything else.

Hey if the man doesn't wanna deal with mashing then let him. It will take him eons to get proficient with Rachel but therein lies the reward: tight blockstrings that double as frame traps and invisible mix-up.

Pffft, I can't even block 4B and now you want me to block IOHs hahaha... aha... *sobs* 5D is actually a pretty decent poke, as long as you're near the corner and have 25 Heat to convert it into damage.

Yeah, I tried her once and the floaty jump just kills me. Why are you picking up Rachel? The IOHs? 6A? Being able to switch between zoning and rushdown on the fly? Nnnnnnngh, I'd learn her but she's too technical for me. I'd rather just push buttons and watch stuff happen, that's why I play Jin and Plat lol.

GGs Errol and NoSales Errol mang, learn your gatlings at least lol

I want in on this, my internet iis free for a few minutes at least.

Corner trollbelia A lockdown, match-start A Lobelia.

*Cracks knuckles* That can be arranged... Also, Jin can low profile A Lobelia with 3C and do a Rachel specific combo from said 3C that takes her from mid-screen to the corner, does 4.5K and grants me 62 Heat Points :D

Collapsed: Mid-screen Combo Routes: Mid-screen Combo Routes Sekkajin Carriage Sekkajin (Moderate Starter): j.B/j.2C, 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, (Delayed) 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C Sekkajin (Heavy Starter): ... 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, (Delayed) 2C > sj.D, AD > j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > [3C > 214C] or [5C > 3C > 214A] This combo route should be used from 5B, 6B, 5C CH > 6B and j.B CH. It can also be used from a deep j.2C. From a 5C CH > 6B, j.B CH and j.2C, confirm with 66 5C. From a 6B, add a 66 5B before the initial 5C. Sekkajin Carriage (Closer to the Corner) Sekkajin (Moderate Starter): ... 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, j.D, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5C CH > 6B, j.B and j.2C. From a 5C CH > 6B, omit the initial 66 5B and go straight into 66 5C > Sekkajin and add a 5C after the final 5B. Sekkajin (Heavy Starter): ... 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 6C > 6D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5B, 6B and j.B CH. It can also be used from a deep j.2C. From a j.B CH and j.2C, confirm with 66 5C. From a 6B, add a 66 5B before the initial 5C. Crouching Confirm Crouching Confirm (Weak Starter): [CO] ... 5B > 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, 2C > sj.D, AD > j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > [3C > 214C] or [5C > 3C > 214A] This combo route should be used from 5A, 2A and 6A CH. Crouching Confirm (Heavy Starter): [CO] ... 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, (Delayed) 2C > 6C > 6D, AD > j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 6A CH, 5B, 5C CH > 6B, and j.B. From 6A CH, confirm with 66 5B and omit the final 5C. From 5C CH > 6B and j.B, confirm with 66 5C. j.2C, 66 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C 6B, 66 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C Crouching Confirm (Closer to the Corner) Crouching Confirm (Weak Starter): [CO]5A/2A > 5B > 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C 6A CH, 66 5B > 66 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C Crouching Confirm (Heavy Starter): [CO] ... 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5B, 5C CH > 6B, j.B, j.2C and 6B. Confirm with 66 5C with every starter (besides 5B). Omit the final 5C if you started the combo with 5B, 5C CH > 6B and j.B. From 6B, add a 2C after the initial 5C. CHs and 6C CH into 6C: [CH]... 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 6B CH, 5B(1) CH, 5C CH, 6C and j.2C CH. From 6B CH and j.2C CH, confirm with 66C > DC. From 6B CH and 6C, add a 5C before the final 3C. 6C > (Delayed) 214D, 66C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C 5C CH > 2D, 66B > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C j.C CH, 66C > 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C Freeze 236D/2D, 66B > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C 6D/j.D/j.236D, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C Freeze (Closer to the Corner) 236D/2D, 66B > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C 6D/j.D/j.236D, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C The closer to the corner Freeze combos are essentially the same as the former, you just add a 44 5C after the j.214A to them. Anti-Air and Air to Air Anti-Air (Heavy Starter): ... j.2C > j.C > j.D, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, 66A, 3C > DP B, 214C This combo route should be used from 5B(1) CH, c.5C and c.2C. [AA] 5C CH, 66 5C > 6C > DC, sj.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, (Walk Back) 5C > 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C [AA] j.A > j.2C > j.D, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, 66A, 3C > DP B, 214C Anti-Air and Air to Air (Closer to the Corner) Anti-Air (Heavy Starter): ... j.2C > j.C > j.D, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 66A, 3C > DP B, 214C This combo route should be used from 5B(1) CH, c.5C and c.2C. [AA] 5C CH, 66 5C > 6C > DC, sj.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C [AA] j.A > j.2C > j.D, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 66A, 3C > DP B, 214C Special Attacks [CO/CH] j.236B, AD j.2C > j.D, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, 66A, 3C > DP B, 214C TK j.236C CH, 66 2D, 66B > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C [AA] TK j.236C CH, 66 5C > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C DP B CH, 214D, 66C > 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 214C Special Attacks (Closer to the Corner) [CO/CH] j.236B, AD j.2C > j.D, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 66A, 3C > DP B, 214C TK j.236C CH, 66 2D, 66B > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C [AA] TK j.236C CH, 66 5C > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C The closer to the corner Special Attacks combos are essentially the same as the former, you just add a 44 5C after the j.214A to them. 3C CH (Tager and Rachel Only) 3C CH, 66 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, 66C > (Delayed) DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C (Closer to the Corner) 3C CH, 66 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C 2C FC 2C FC > 6B, 66 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C [AA] 2C FC, 66 5C > 6C > DC, sj.C > j.214A, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C 2C FC (Closer to the Corner) 2C FC > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C [AA] 2C FC, 66 5C > 6C > DC, sj.C > j.214A, 44 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C Collapsed: Close to the Corner Combo Routes: Close to the Corner Combo Routes Sekkajin Carriage Sekkajin (Weak Starter): ... 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, j.D, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5A, 2A, 2B and j.C. From j.C, confirm with 66 5B Sekkajin (Moderate Starter):j.B/j.2C > 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 6C > 6D, 66B, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C Sekkajin (Heavy Starter): ... 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66B, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5B, 6B, 5C CH > 6B, j.B CH and j.2C. Confirm with 66 5C with every starter (besides 5B). From 6B, add a 5C before the final 3C. Crouching Confirm Crouching Confirm (Weak Starter): ... 5B > 5C > 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5A, 2A, and 6A CH. From a 6A CH, confirm with 66 5B and add a 5C before the final 3C. Crouching Confirm (Moderate Starter): ... 66 5C > 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, (Delayed) 2C > 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 6A RC and 5C CH > 6B. Crouching Confirm (Heavy Starter): ... 5C > 6C > DC, 66 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5C and j.B. From a j.B, confirm with 66 5C. 6B/j.2C, 66 5C > 6C > DC, 66 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C Crouching Confirm (Closer to the Corner) 6A RC, 66 5C > 6C > DC, DP B, (Delayed) 2C > 6C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C Crouching Confirm (Heavy Starter): ... 5C > 6C > DC, DP B, (Delayed) 2C > 6C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 This combo route should be used from 5B, 6B, j.B and j.2C. Confirm with 66 5C with every starter (besides 5B). CHs and 6C CH into 6C: [CH] ... 6C > DC, 66 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5B(1) CH, 6B CH, 5C CH, 6C and j.2C CH. From 6B CH and j.2C CH, confirm with 66C > DC and add a 5C before the final 3C (same with 6C). 5C CH > 2D, 66B, 66 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C j.C CH, 66C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, (Delayed) 2C > 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C CHs, 6C and Throw RC (Closer to the Corner) CH into 6C (Heavy Starter): [CH] ... 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C This combo route should be used from 5B(1) CH and 5C CH. CH into 6C (Best Starter): [CH] ... 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C [*]This combo route should be used from 6B CH, 6C and j.2C CH. [*]From 6C, add a 5C before the final 3C. Throw RC, 66C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C Freeze Freeze Confirm: ... 66C > DC, 66 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C [*]This combo route should be used from 2D, 6D, j.D, 236D and j.236D Freeze (Closer to the Corner) 2D/236D, 66C > DC, DP B, (Delayed) 2C > 6C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C 6D/j.D/j.236D, 66C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C 5D > 214D, 66C > (Delayed) 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > DP B, 214C Anti-Air/Roll Punish and Air to Air Anti-Air (Weak/Moderate Starter) [CH]... 6C > DC, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C 5C/2C > 6C > DC, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C 5C CH, 66 5C > 6C > DC, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C j.C CH, 66C > DC, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C [*]This combo route should be used from 2A CH, 5A CH and 5B(1) CH. [*]From 5B(1) CH, add a 5C before the final 3C [*]This combo route also works from a 5C roll punish. Special Attacks TK j.236C CH, 66 2D, 66C > DC, 66 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C [AA] TK j.236C CH, 66 5C > 6C > DC, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C DP A CH, 214D, 66C > (Delayed) 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C 214D, 66C > (Delayed) 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > DP B, 214C DP D, 66C > (Delayed) 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C DP D(2), 66C > (Delayed) 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C >j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214A/C 3C CH (Rachel and Tager Only) 3C CH, 66 5C > 6C > DC, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C >j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C 2C FC 2C FC > 6B, 66 5C > 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C [AA] 2C FC, 66 5C > 6C > DC, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C 2C FC (Closer to the Corner) 2C FC > 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C [AA] 2C FC > 6C > DC, DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 6C > DP C, 5A > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A/C Collapsed: Corner Combo Routes: Corner Combo Routes DP B DP B (Weak Starter): ... 5B > 5C > DP B, 6B > j.214A, 44 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > [3C > 214C] or [5C > 3C > 214A] 2B/j.B > 5B > 5C > DP B, 6B > j.214A, 44 5C > 6C > 6D, IAD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C] [*]From a j.B, confirm with 66 5B > 5C. [*]From a 2B, omit the 5C from the [5C > 3C > 214C] chain. DP B (Moderate Starter): ... 5C > DP B, 66 5C > 6C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [*]This combo route should be used from 2B, 5C > CH and j.2C. [*]From 5C > CH, confirm with 66 5C. [*]From j.2C, confirm with 66 5B > 5C. [*]From 2B, always use the [5C > 3C > 214A x 2] chain. [*]If you think that you're not going to be able to get the DP C > 5B link down, try to save the combo with ... DP C, 5A > 5C > 2C > DP C. DP B (Heavy Starter): ... 5C > DP B, 66 5C > 6C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 [*]This combo route should be used from 5B, 6B, j.B CH and j.2C. [*]From j.B CH and j.2C, confirm with 66 5C. [*]From 6B, confirm with 66 5B. [*]If you think that you're not going to be able to get the DP C > 5B link down, replace the 5B with 5A. [*]This combo route should be used from 2A, 5A, and j.C. Side Swap Side Swap: ... 5C > Sekkajin, (Delayed) 66 5C > 2C > 2D, Run Under, 44 5B > 5C > [3C] or [3C > 214C] GB, Run Under, 5C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 [iNFO=Crouching Confirm] Crouching Confirm (Moderate Starter): ... 5C > 6C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 [*]This combo route should be used from 2B, 6A RC and 5C CH > 6B. [*]From 5C CH > 6B and 6A RC, confirm with 66 5C. [*]If you think that you're not going to be able to get the DP C > 5B link down, replace the 5B with 5A. [*]This combo works from every starter (except 5A, 2A, and j.C) that leads into Sekkajin and you still have the option to freeze the opponent with 2D. j.C CH and 6C j.C CH, 66C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 [6C > DP B, 66C] or [6C CH > DC, DP B, 6C] > DP C, 5B > 5C > 6C > DP C, 5A > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 [*]If you think that you're not going to be able to get the DP C > 5B link down, slap yourself because you just ruined Jin's best combo try to save the combo with DP C, 5A > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [*]If you think that you're not going to be able to get the DP C > 5B link down, replace the 5B with 5A. Freeze 6D/j.D/j.236D(1), 66C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 6C > DP C, 5A > 5C > 2C > DP C j.236D(2 or 3), 66C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C [*]If you think that you're not going to be able to get the DP C > 5B link down, replace 5B with 5A. 5D CH > DC, 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C Throw/Back Throw > 214A (Whiff), 2C > Sekkajin, 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C Air Throw, 66 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C [*]If you think that you're not going to be able to get the DP C > 5B link down, try to save the combo with ... DP C, 5A > 5C > 6C > DP C. Anti-Air/Roll Punish [AA] 5A/2A > 5C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [AA] 5A/2A CH > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 [AA] 5B(1) > 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [AA] 5C > 2C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [AA] 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [RP] 2A > 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [RP] 2A > 5C > 2C > 2D, Run Under, 44 5C > Sekkajin, DP B, 214C [RP] 5C > 6C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [RP] j.2C, 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [RP] j.2C, 66 5C > 6C > DC > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [*]The opponent must be caught after rolling past you. [*]6C will launch the opponent backwards and the DC will auto-correct the combo. [*]The opponent must be caught after rolling past you. Air to Air j.A > j.2C > j.D, 6C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C j.C CH, 66 5C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 f.j.C CH, 214D, 66C > (Delayed) 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 3C > DP B, 214C Special Attacks [CH/CO] j.236B, AD j.2C > j.D, 6C > DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C TK j.236C CH, 66 2D, 66C > DC, DP B, (Delayed) 2C > 6C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C [AA] TK j.236C CH, 66 5C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 [AA] DP A CH, 66C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [AA] DP B CH, 66 5C > 6C > DP B, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2 [sS] DP D (1) RC, Run Under, 44 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > DP C 3C CH (Rachel and Tager Only) 3C CH, 66 5C > 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > (Delayed) DP C, 5B > 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C [*]If you think that you're not going to be able to get the DP C > 5B link down, replace 5B with 5A. 2C FC [AA] 2C FC > (Delayed) 6C > (Delayed) DP B, 66C > DP C, 5B > 5C > 6C > DP C, 5A > 5C > 2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A x 2/214C [sS] 2C FC > 6B > Sekkajin, 66 5C > 2C > 2D, Run Under, 5C > 6C > DC, 214A, 44 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C

That's some homogenius shit right there Those point blank hit-boxes are weird as hell. Jin's 236A/B will go right through the opponent if done point blank.

I figured as much, alright then, we'll go with the second (much better) option lol

As far as combo threads go, what would you guys prefer? A comprehensive combo list that lists every possible combo from every starter or a list of "combo routes"? The former is extremely time consuming, specially when jotting down all the damage done and heat gained from every combo. It can also be overwhelming for the reader and in the end people probably just go "Ain't nobody got time for that". The latter can be completed in a few hours and is not as overwhelming for the reader. It removes the necessity to list repeat combos from different starters. However, if the combo can only be done from a single, specific starter then I'll list that combo individually. Personally, I prefer the latter now but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Collapsed: Notations: Notations [table=width: 700, align: center] General Notations Used Guide Specific Notations Used [table=width: 350, class: grid, align: center] > Gatling/cancel the previous move into the following move. , Link the previous move into the following move. j Jump sj Super Jump AD Air Dash IAD Instant Air Dash JC Jump Cancel DP Dragon Punch/623X TK The "Tiger Knee" motion. What this means is that you'll be using an aerial attack as low to the ground as possible. An example is Jin's j.236C, if you do j.2369C, you'll fire the ice blade as low to the ground as possible. CH Counter Hit FC Fatal Counter RC Rapid Cancel GB Gold Burst [ ] Hold Input (N) Use the specific hit of a multi-hit attack. [???] xN Repeat ??? N amount of times. [/table] [table=width: 350, class: grid, align: center] c. The attack must be used as close to the opponent as possible. f. The attack must be used as far away from the opponent as possible. [sS] Side Swap combo [CO] Crouching Opponent [AA] Anti-air or Air-to-Air [RP] Roll Punish [/table] [/table] Collapsed: Full Screen Combo Routes: Full Screen Combo Routes Universal Combos Sekkajin (Weak Starter): ... 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66 j.C > j.2C > j.D, 6C > 214C This combo route should be used from 5A, 2A, and j.C. Sekkajin (Moderate Starter): ... 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66 5C > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 6C > 214C This combo route should be used from 6A CH, 2B, 5C CH > 6B, j.B and j.2C. Sekkajin (Heavy Starter): ... 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66C > 2D, 66B > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C This combo route should be used from 5B, 6B, j.B CH and j.2C. From j.B CH and j.2C, omit the initial 5B and go straight into 66 5C > Sekkajin. CH into 2D: [CH] ... [6C > 2D] or [5C CH > 2D], j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C This combo route should be used from a close 6C, 5C CH and 5B(1) CH as well as 6B CH and j.2C CH. From a 6B CH and j.2C CH, confirm with 66C > 2D. From 6C and 6B CH, add a 66 2B before the initial 5B. From a 5C CH, if the opponent is really close to you when you started this combo, then use the [6C > 2D] chain. If they're far away from you, use the [5C CH > 2D] chain. 3C CH, 66 2B > 5C > sj.2C > j.D > AD j.2C > j.C, Sekkajin, 6C > 214C DP C CH, 66 5C > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 6C > 214C Character Specific Combos Sekkajin (Weak Starter): ... 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 3C > 214C This combo route should be used from 2A, 5A, 6A CH, and 2B. This combo route does not work against Makoto, Noel, Lambda, Litchi, Ragna, and Relius. Sekkajin (Moderate Starter): ... 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C This combo route should be used from j.B and j.2C. It can also be used from 6A RC and 5C CH > 6B but you'll have to omit the initial 5B and go straight into 66 5C > Sekkajin. This combo route does not work against Makoto, Noel, Lambda, Litchi, Ragna, and Relius. This is basically the same combo as above, you just add a 5C to it. Sekkajin (Heavy Starter): ... 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 66 5C > 2C > sj.2C > j.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C This combo route should be used from 5B, 6B, j.B CH and j.2C. From every starter (except 5B), omit the initial 5B and go straight into 66 5C > Sekkajin. This combo route does not work against Makoto, Noel, Lambda, Litchi, Ragna, and Relius. This is basically the same combo as above, you just add a sj.2C to it. 3C CH, 66 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C This combo only works against Rachel DP C CH, 66 5C > sj.2C > j.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C Crouching Confirm Crouching Confirm (Weak Starter): [CO] ... 5B > 5C > 6C > 2D, 66B > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C This combo route should be used from 5A, 2A, 6A CH and 2B. From a 5C CH > 6B and 6A RC > 5C, omit the initial 5B and go straight into 5C > 6C, then add a 66 5C after the 66B for more damage. Crouching Confirm (Heavy Starter): [CO] ... 5C > 6C > 2D, j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > Sekkajin > 6C > 214C This combo route should be used from 5B, j.B and j.2C. From a 6B, add a 66 5B after the j.C for more damage. Freeze Freeze Confirm (Long Freeze Duration): Air Throw/2D/6D/236D/j.236D, *(IAD/AD) j.2C > j.C, 66 2B > 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C Go into IAD j.2C > j.C from a far j.236D confirm. Go into AD j.2C > j.C after an air throw. Wait a bit and do a 66 j.2C > j.C off a 6D and 236D confirm, you have to wait a lot longer with 236D and you'll have to omit the initial 66 2B. Freeze Confirm (Short Freeze Duration): Throw/Air Throw/j.D/j.236D, 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C You'll obviously have to cancel the throw into 214A in order to go into this route with it. Add a 2B if you start the combo with j.236D. Anti-Air/Roll Punish Anti-Air/Roll Punish Confirm (Weak Starter): 5A/2A > 5C > [2C > sj.D] or [sj.2C > j.D], AD j.2C > j.C, [66 5B > 5C > 214B] or [66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C] This combo route should be used from 5A and 2A. You'll need to end the combo with 5C > 214B against Makoto, Noel, Lambda, Litchi, Ragna, and Relius. If the opponent is really close to you when you started this combo, then use the [2C > sj.D] chain. If they're far away from you, use the [sj.2C > j.D] chain. Anti-Air CH (Weak Starter): 5A/2A CH > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, Sekkajin, 6C > 214C Anti-Air/Roll Punish Confirm (Heavy Starter) : ... 5C > [2C > sj.D] or [sj.2C > j.D], AD > j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C [*]This combo route should be used from 5C. [*]It can also be used from 5B(1) and 2C but you'll have to omit the 66 5B. [*]From a 5B(1) CH, omit the 5C and go straight into the [2C > sj.D] chain. [*]If the opponent is really close to you when you started this combo, then use the [2C > sj.D] chain. If they're far away from you, use the [sj.2C > j.D] chain. For a 2C confirm, go for the [sj.2C > j.D] chain. Air to Air j.A > j.2C > j.D, 66 2B > 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C j.B/j.C > j.2C > JC > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 66 5C > sj.C > j.2C > JC > j.2C > j.214C/j.214B j.C CH (Close), 66 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, Sekkajin, 6C > 214C j.C CH (Far), 66 j.C > j.2C > JC > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 66 5C > sj.C > j.2C > JC > j.2C > j.214B [*]End the combo with j.214B if you started it with j.C. Ice Blades [CH/CO] j.236B, AD j.2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C TK j.236C CH, 66 2D, 66B, 66 2B > 5B > 5C > Sekkajin, 6C > 214C [AA] TK j.236C CH, 66 5C > sj.2C > j.D, AD j.2C > j.C, Sekkajin, 6C > 214C 2C FC 2C FC > 6B, 66 5C > 6C > 2D, 66B, 66 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C 2C FC > 6B, 66 5C > Sekkajin, 66 5C > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C 2C FC AA, (Delayed) sj.2C > j.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > 6C > DC, j.C > j.214A, (Delayed) 2C > DP B, 66A, 3C > 214A/C [*]This combo doesn't work on Platinum, use the combo below against her. Collapsed: Full Screen Tager Only Combos: Tager Only Combos Rising j.2C (Weak Starter): ... 5B > 5C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 5C > j.2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C Rising j.2C (Heavy Starter): ... 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 5C > j.2C > j.D, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C [*]This combo route should be used from 5C CH >6B, j.B and j.2C. [*]From 5C CH > 6B, you'll have to omit the the initial 5B and go straight into 66 5C > 2C and you'll also have to omit 2B. [*]Tager must be standing at the start of the combo. [*]This combo route should be used from 2A and 5A. [*]It can also be used from j.C but you'll have to omit the final 5C. [*]Tager must be standing at the start of the combo. Tager Only Combos (CH and CO) CH into 2D: [CH] ... [6C > 2D] or [5C CH > 2D], j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C CH 6B, 66C > 2D, j.2C > (Delayed) j.C > JC > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 5C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C [*]This combo can also be used from a close 6C. CH 3C, 66 5C > 2C > 2D, j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C Crouching Confirm: [CO]... 5B > 5C > 6C > 2D, j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C [*]This combo route should be used from 5B, 6B, j.B and j.2C. [*]From j.B and j.2C, you'll have to omit the initial 5B and go straight into 5C > 6C. [*]From 6B, omit the initial 5B and go straight into 66 5C > 6C then add a 2C after the second 66 5C. [*]This combo route should be used from a close 5C CH and 5B(1) CH as well as j.2C CH. [*]From a j.2C CH, confirm with 66C > 2D. [*]From a 5C CH, if the opponent is really close to you when you started this combo, use the [6C > 2D] chain. If they're far away from you, use the [5C CH > 2D] chain. Furthermore, add a 66 5B before the first 5C if you used the [5C CH > 2D] chain. Tager Only Combos (Freeze Confirm) 2D/236D, (66) j.2C > j.C, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C 6D, 66 j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 5C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C j.D/j.236D, 66 5B > 5C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 5C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C [*]Omit the initial 66 5B and go straight into 66 5C > j.2C from a j.236D starter and also add a 2C after the initial 5C if you started the combo close to Tager. Throw/Back Throw > 214A (Whiff), 66 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C Air Throw, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C [*]Wait and do 66 j.2C > j.C off a 236D confirm. Tager Only Combos (Anti-Air/Roll Punish and Air to Air) 5A/2A CH > 2C > sj.D, AD j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C Anti-Air/Roll Punish Confirm (Heavy Starter) : ... 5C > [2C > sj.D] or [sj.2C > j.D], AD > j.2C > j.C, 66 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C Air to Air: j.A > j.2C > j.D, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > (Delayed) j.C, 66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214C [*]This combo route should be used from 5C, 5B(1) and 2C. [*]From 5B(1) and 2C, you'll have to omit the underlined 2C. [*]From a 5B(1) CH, omit the 5C and go straight into the [2C > sj.D] chain. [*]If the opponent is really close to you when you started this combo, then use the [2C > sj.D] chain. If they're far away from you, use the [sj.2C > j.D] chain. For a 2C confirm, go for the [sj.2C > j.D] chain.

I can play for about 30 minutes. Let's see how our connection fares. Invite me? Edit: GGs, that's a solid Lambda you got there.

Figures Meh, shouldn't take too long to make a JP account.

Dayum Have you guys ever ordered something from AmiAmi? I've only imported once from PlayAsia and I was extremely satisfied with their service. My shit got delivered in a matter of days. By the way, how does DLC work? Can you get the DLC from the US PSN store or do you have to get a Japanese account and access the JP store?

Same here, while Hizangeki won't be an IOH, it sure as hell will hit you like one

lol Tsubaki 6A damage, still win, etc, etc. There was a point where I could block them 80% of the time. Then you stopped playing Tsubaki and played an equally shitty character (Makoto) and I decided to just DP your OHs. With Makoto, I know it's coming after a jab or a 5C > C, can't really tell with Tsubaki with all the charge cancel shenanigans. Hell, I don't even know what gatlings into her 6A aside from her jabs.

There's no such thing as "down+backing too much" or "down+back being a habit". You can't react to most lows like you can with most overheads, so the logical thing to do would be to always hold down+back while on the defensive and try to react to overheads. Up+backing all the time would be a bad habit, just blocking low the majority of the time is not.

@Star - Meh, don't look too deep into it. There are always players like him that like to troll on weaker opponents. I grew outta that shit, now I only do it if I'm fucking around with the other player. If someone does it to me, I just shrug it off. Can't really be mad at anyone but myself for being free. @Other Star - When in Rome... Also, next time you do the twirl without Ignis to back you up, I got a nice, chunky 5K+ punish with both Jin and Plat for you lol

50%, not bad as you said. lol Rampage Chuck, he would have had an easier time bullying you guys with his Tager than with the former two. Edit: Nope Cross, get dodged until tomorrow. I really should have been in bed an hour ago but I guess I might as well go now.

Alright, maybe tomorrow. Who won the set between you two though?

How do the matches go between the two Stars? Who's the better Star? Since you're here, wanna play a few before I go to sleep, Star?