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[Suzaku]

I translated that part as "Arakune was Kokone's direct teacher". It could mean he taught Kokonoe before she entered sector seven where she became his superior. Personally I'm pretty sure it's just another weird phrasing. I'll check with my japanese teacher this weekend.

Suzaku, shouldn't "しかし、真理の追求のためにココノエの教えを破り”　be translated "But, for the sake of his pursuit of knowledge he defied Kokonoe's teachings," rather than he abruptly stopped teaching her?

Yeah, it should have been "Kokonoe's teachings" instead of "teaching Kokonoe", and defied works better. I'm still a bit thrown by the previous line, the personal mentor / teacher bit, it makes more sense if they're peers and teach each other. I don't know, it's just kinda strange.

I can't recall how old Kokonoe is, exactly (if it's mentioned anywhere), but I want to say she's at least been alive since near the end of the Dark War, considering her parentage. Depends on when Nine would've been killed, I guess.

[Ehecatl]

- Rachel: it's said that she bit Ragna only once, during one of the earliest loop (?). Is this right? If I'm not mistaken, throughout Rachel's story, she didn't bit Ragna, did she?

She did. Play her arcade in CT and she admits that she bit him. An act she regrets but felt she had no choice in. And she says she did it only-- once. The thing that has intrigued me-- it has always been assumed that she did it after Terumi lolloped off his arm. However, if that were true, then in each time line she'd have to bite him after every time that happened. But she said she bit him only once and the key word is that she says she did it a "long time ago". She's said to be 72500 years old (the numbers vary on that age it seems but still, very old). If she is saying she did that a long time ago, then I doubt very much as well that she means any time within a 10 year span. So I have to wonder at what point she bit him and what the ramifications were? She mentions constantly how she is a "bystander" and an "audience member" not a "cast member". Many have wondered, since she survives every time line, why she doesn't interfere more directly in changing things. But from the impression I get and the hints displayed throughout, I believe she indeed had tried a direct approach and perhaps has watched those efforts backfire in a way that affected every following time line. Like the butterfly effect. Therefore, she interferes only in a minor way now and lets the people involved in the time line play out their roles so as not to create shifts that could screw everything over.

- Rachel: it's said that the reason she turned Jin into Hakumen is that if otherwise, Ragna could not be re-born . I don't fully understand the logic: is Jin crucial or does she just need sb to use Susano and the sword? I really need some clarification here.

I do find it intriguing and it would make sense. Terumi had been Hakumen at one time. For Jin to have taken up the role, something had to have happened. I believe Terumi may have had set up some plot that would have screwed crap over and Rachel caught on in time to correct it by using Jin.

Another thing I'd like to mention which I'm sure you brilliant people here already know-- it seems Hakumen may now also be outside of time with Rachel. We know Rachel in each arcade ending involving Hakumen is closely connected to his use. If a time-loop is indeed present in CS as it appears to be, one thing I notice is Hakumen never dies. Each time the fight goes disadvantageous for him, Rachel interrupts and pulls him away with her teleportation. Furthermore, if a time-loop is present and different for each arcade, then the things he says in that arcade also give him away as "knowing more than he should". I believe the order the time-loops would go in would be Hakumen's arcade story first, then Hazama's, then lambda's, then Tager's. In Hakumen's, he is first summoned by her, so this would be his first time back from the Edge since Ragna beat him. When he meets Terumi, he tries to reason with him first before finally declaring "You are beyond saving". Then, in Hazama's story, when Hakumen meets him, he doesn't even try to reason with him. All he does is say "If only I had known of your existence sooner, this tragedy could have been avoided." Of course, he loses and Rachel saves him. Then in Lambda's story, Hakumen first sees her, learns of Kokonoe's involvement, etc. Hakumen is taken away by Rachel again. In Tager's story, Hakumen asks Kokonoe why she uses the Murokumo unit to fight instead of her own strength-- but Kokonoe had Lambda away in repairs at this time in Tager's story. If Hakumen had not recalled meeting Kokonoe's Murokumo in an earlier time-line, he never would have known she even existed and thus never would have asked Kokonoe why she uses the Murokumo to fight. The fact that Hakumen asked that question at that point in time shows that he recalls information from those other time lines. The only way he's doing that is either because Rachel tells him (unlikely), or because he's seen for himself, has experienced those time-lines, and has survived through each one because Rachel has teleported him away and out of time's boundary where she resides.

And it would make sense for her to do this. Notice she never takes any character outside of time with her to survive each time line. Its obvious why. Suppose she took Ragna. Well, then, assuming time COULD even be reset considering the need for his and Nu's azures to meet for that to happen, then all that would happen is once time reset, the Ragna on earth would be born again; and next thing you know, we got two Ragna's running around. All kinds of problems could happen from that. Thus, Rachel wouldn't take any of the "cast" from the play. However, Hakumen was technically offed by Ragna. Kokonoe can't bring him back anymore either as the last time she did it, it took her half a year. The events proceeding in CS are happening in merely I believe a month or two after CT. Not enough time to find him if she wanted to. So really, without Rachel bringing Hakumen back-- there is no Hakumen. This places him in an interesting position and makes him a potentially valuable tool. There's no chance of two of him running around and with him being bound by Rachel's Ars, he has to comply by her demands. And considering they have mutual enemies, its likely she saw use in bringing him back, and sees further use in letting him survive each time loop and learn as she has, the world around him. He definitely seems more "enlightened" this time around and that would provide an easy and logical explanation.

Unless there aren't time-loops still going on. In that case, everything I said was probably complete bullshit.

[Nina]

-snip-

In the True Ending, I think Rachel says they broke the loop. So no more time loops.

[SethDahlios]

I wouldn't say they BROKE the loop, the danger is still there. It's merely going to be four more years before Taka-Mikizuki fires again, and potentially destroys Kagatsutchi. If that happens, we'd merely see the time loop continue all over again, but with four more years.

[Aureliano]

Take-Mikazuchi

And where are you guys finding all this information on how the time loop works ? I found none of that in the game.

[Tokkan]

Take-Mikazuchi

And where are you guys finding all this information on how the time loop works ? I found none of that in the game.

From the book this thread is supposed to be a discussion around.

[Osuna]

I wouldn't say they BROKE the loop, the danger is still there. It's merely going to be four more years before Taka-Mikizuki fires again, and potentially destroys Kagatsutchi. If that happens, we'd merely see the time loop continue all over again, but with four more years.

Not necessarily. The black beast at least wouldn't be in the next loop, which would dramatically alter history to an unrecognizable point.

The more likely outcome is the end of the world.

[p-kun]

- long write up -

By Rachel story, I was actually refer to Rachel's short story in the book, not Rachel's story in the game. The point that I'm not sure about is around here:

When Ragna's situation was at its worst, Rachel said sth like "I don't mind biting you" and then she blushed. And there was silence.

The question is what happened during that silence. Did she bite him or not?

But at any rate, I now believe that Rachel didn't bite Ragna once every loop, but only once in one of the earlier loop.

As for the loop. In the CS storyline, there's no loop, but I suspect that Terumi keeps Ragna alive just in case he needs the reset button. Nu can be remade. The satellite can be re-charged. I think every element required to reset the time is still there so another loop in the future is possible.

[p-kun]

A question to anyone with good Japanese. How was Litchi's relationship with Arakune when he was human? When I looked at her short story in the material book, it seems that there was no romance between the two. Litchi's story seems to say that they were getting close, but after that one incident where Arakune just screamed at her, they stopped talking for months, until he turned into a blob. My impression is that romance never managed to blossom between the two.

Does Arakune's short story say anything about their relationship? I totally don't understand his story, too confusing. Is his story all about Kokonoe?

[Black Onslaught]

No.

Before CS' True Ending and Saya takes control of Tamegahara and destroys Master Unit Amaterasu, the potential for loops to happen exists.

You guys mistook Rachel's words in CT's true ending. She says the future past that point will be " unknown even to me ", which means that past the point of Noel Vermillion saving Ragna from the Cauldron is the " Continuum Shift " -- a new space of time that nobody has any idea of what events could happen.

Ragna is not the reset button, nor is Nu or even the False Azure. Tamegahara controls the phases, and after certain events have played out to their designation they start a new "phase ". For CT a new phase happens after the Black Beast is revived by Ragna and Nu's False Azure Grimoires merging, and Tamegahara uses Take-Mikazuchi to destroy Kagutsuchi.

[Tsuki Garyuu]

I don't know if anyone else finds this awkward, but has anyone ever thought why exactly the hierarchical cities are named in Japanese? It makes the entire planet seem like Japanese origin. It wouldn't surprise me that a Japanese constructed these cities. You think that people from different countries would revolt against this kind of thing. :P

[Blade]

I just know that if Ragna is somehow related to this "Bloodedge" person Jubei refers to or if he is in fact Bloodege from an timeline (by travelling backwards), we've got a bigger loop on our hands than first thought.

Likewise, anything to do with Haku-men seems to be an error in the time stream from that point (Continuum Shift) on. Haku-men mentions Ragna "beat him before" but that was past tense, referring to the events of CT. It has never once been suggested that Haku-men was killed. If anything he was blown away by Ragna's Blood Kain only to survive embedded in some debris and recovered by Kokonoe only to be retrieved by Rachel.

In my experience with Guilty Gear storylines...it's not so much the plot that makes sense in its entirety, but the characters and how they interact with it. Alternate endings can still be partially true, even if they are alternate endings.

[Black Onslaught]

" Bloodedge " is Juubei's friend, and helped immobolize the Black Beast for the Six Heroes to slay it.

Ragna is not Bloodedge, he is not an alternate version of him, nor a reincarnation.

Ragna was a kid who got his arm lobbed off, and was trained by the world's strongest and oddest speaking cat. Juubei gave this kid his dead friend's jacket and sword, and taught him how to use them.

In respect for Bloodedge, he gave Ragna the title of " the Bloodedge ", for his respect for both of them.

Haku-men has never died, when Ragna encounters him in CT he goes " What, you're still alive you bastard?! ", and Haku-men states that Ragna beat him before but " times have changed, -I- have changed ".

Ragna using the False Azure -barely- managed to defeat a 20% existing Haku-men ; and was greatly exhausted from the battle afterwards.

Haku-men could've been "injured enough " for Kokonoe to transport him back and elaborately seal him, though.

The only canon path that matters in Calamity Trigger is the True Ending.

Likewise, the only canon path that matters in Continuum Shift is the True Ending.

[Jourdal]

@Blade.....this isnt GG

The CS story (as in all the true ends only) all intertwine unlike CT's it actually makes a lot more sense. For example the carl VS ragna scene in ragna story is present in carls story with the same exact dialogue, and after his fight ragna ends up in the kaka village. At any point where a char goes to the kaka village....joke ending or not, an injured ragna is generally present.

@Tsuki

Well.....it seems to be japanese influenced but it appears europe rules the world lol....Jin is british, carl is romanian i believe, noel swiss as well?

[Irikarul]

@Tsuki

Well.....it seems to be japanese influenced but it appears europe rules the world lol....Jin is british, carl is romanian i believe, noel swiss as well?

Mostly right, except that Carl is Austrian, not Romanian. Rachel, however, IS Romanian (for obvious reasons).

[Serpentarius]

Wait wait. Jin = British?

No way. What's everyone else? :O

Where did you guys find this out? [probably in CT, which I haven't played in months...]

[Jourdal]

It was mentioned in his official bio as well as all the other char but they're removed from the official site but if you google Jin Kisaragi England you'll see several sites copy-paste the bio and you can see it.

[harmless kitten]

Ragna - unknown (possibly England)

Jin - England

Noel - Switzerland

Rachel - Transylvania

Tao - Kaka village

Tager - unknown

Litchi - China, I think Beijing specifically? Not sure

Arakune - unknown

Bang - Hino-Kuni (?)

Carl - Austria

Hakumen - unknown

Nu - Kagutsuchi

Lambda - uknown

Tsubaki - 3rd Hierarchical City of Naobi

Platinum - something Hierarchical City of Akitsu, which is somewhere in France I think

Can't remember or read the rest. I swear I remember Kokonoe being born in the Hierarchical City of Wakumusubi or something, but I'm not sure if that's right.

The bios are still up, just in Japanese. So yeah.

[PLZSIC]

Platinum is the 3rd Hierarchical City, which is indeed in France. You have them all right though except Litchi, who was born in Shanghai.

[harmless kitten]

Fffffffff, of course I would mess up Litchi's. Platinum was born in Iwasu, then? I thought it was the 9th City, Akitsu, but I'm probably wrong. Also Naobi is the 4th City, not the 3rd like I originally said.

[Almadiel]

Hi no Kuni is country of fire, coincidentally (yeah right) the same name as the country Naruto lives in.

[Serpentarius]

Sans the fact that none of them are American, that is fucking awesome.

[Almadiel]

I might be mistaken, but I think I recall something in the backstory about the whole American continent being basically wiped out by the black beast.

[PLZSIC]

Oh fail, it's the 9th city. I was thinking 3 for some reason. Sorry XD.

[Jourdal]

Really? US wiped out? that makes me smile for some reason orz.

I thought bang was from some nation heavily implied to be Japan.