[CS1] Carl Clover Tactical Discussion/Questions/Help

[Kyle]

It was shocking for me to realize that Taokaka doesn't have the benefit of buffering attacks because she can charge her C inputs.

Yes, nirvana is technically "harder'. We truly get (1) input chance for all but supers.

I particularly like it that way. I get a sense of accomplishment knowing my work can be more strict than my opponents.

[Mascarpone]

Carl is Pro lol

[Marionette Pwii]

INFERNO DIVIDAH!!

sorryz it died in here ;-;

[Mascarpone]

Somethign i think we could use, especialy for those of us who are some times input-challenged: A basic break down of where to release ]D[ in certain BnB scenarios like j.2C j.B j.214C 8D etc.

[Akanishi]

Excuse me, but can anybody give an advice regarding summoning nirvana after 3C? She keeps appearing after I do Vivace. I tried doing the command fast, but I only can do it without hit-confirming with 2A>2B/2B. After a lot of experiments I found that doing 2A>2BD(push then release)>3C works a little bit better, however in a match I can't concentrate enough to get it right.

Is there a simpler way to get it right? Or is there something that I should pay attention to?

[Kyle]

By delaying 2B, 3C, 236A you have plenty of time to sneak in a 22]D[.

I literally input like this:[2]A, B, 3C, 22]D[, 236A

With the right delay and input speed this works great for me, Although, others prefer input overlap tricks like 2A, 2B+D, ]D[, 3C, 236A

Both work great, it's a matter of preference and perfection.

[Akanishi]

Thanks, I'll try to get used to the inputs then.

[feri]

Is there a simpler way to get it right? Or is there something that I should pay attention to?

As soon as you start pressing buttons, hold D.

2b > release/go to neutral (not sure if this is even required) > tap 3c > neutral > tap 2d.

Easy, never fails.

[Adelheid]

It's very slightly costly for Ada, but, usually I'm holding D before I even go on my offense, so just releasing D makes for super easy timing, since I don't need to buffer it in, just 22 and release at basically anywhere.

Also, played some matches tonight, although not as many as I would've liked... The Tager matchup is so stacked ahaha

And, Tsubaki's hitbox hates me. All my cool setups don't work on her because her hitbox is just so small that everything goes over or around her. It's ridiculous.

[Mascarpone]

It's very slightly costly for Ada, but, usually I'm holding D before I even go on my offense, so just releasing D makes for super easy timing, since I don't need to buffer it in, just 22 and release at basically anywhere.

Also, played some matches tonight, although not as many as I would've liked... The Tager matchup is so stacked ahaha

And, Tsubaki's hitbox hates me. All my cool setups don't work on her because her hitbox is just so small that everything goes over or around her. It's ridiculous.

Welcome to the world of every other character vs Carl in CT lol... but yes. irritating.

[Marionette Pwii]

I don't think i like where this is going.....

[DF2K]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_WM0AdO-M&playnext_from=TL&videos=R1gIBPvYsjE&feature=sub#t=0m30s

Whaaaaaaat

[Zoogstin]

now this is is sexy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/AutonomousR#p/u/15/HQyUIIZy7po

check out 8:41. Comboing into Gold Burst. Carl is so retarded.

[Mascarpone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_WM0AdO-M&playnext_from=TL&videos=R1gIBPvYsjE&feature=sub#t=0m30s

Whaaaaaaat

Keep in mind Taokaka also has Carl's 9500 HP in CS apparently.

Still, yes that's just obscene.

Does Volante Reverse Prorate in combos or something?

[Adelheid]

It's 89%, with 560 base damage... I really can't help but feel that there's something better to be doing there, as I see that combo a lot but each time I see it I still don't think it looks optimal, given j2C's reverse proration. Even after the proration limit cuts out it's still 720 base damage that doesn't affect proration... Flat out, more damage than Volante and better proration. I'm sure that replacing the volante bit with a 2D loop rep, so that it becomes j2C]D[ jC, j2C~Allecan jB Allegretto+8D, j2C]D[ jC, j2C Allegretto+8D, Fermata, would be better. It just feels better.

now this is is sexy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/AutonomousR#p/u/15/HQyUIIZy7po

check out 8:41. Comboing into Gold Burst. Carl is so retarded.

Looool epic flashy end

[DF2K]

Yeah I kinda disregarded that Tao's health is worse in CS(lower than Carl's wtf), I was more or less thrown off by how fast it dropped. O_O

[Adelheid]

Tao and Carl are actually tied in HP (both have 9500).

[Mascarpone]

maybe the volante does something with positioning, because when i 2d loop i've noticed that the spacing starts to get really weird really fast. Or maybe it's the hight since Volante does seem to appear faster than the swing-down of 2D and Nirvana doe seem to recover from it fairly quickly.

And yeah combo into gold burst = epic style points.

[Zeero]

Its also for damage because every Nirvana move has that proration where if its used more than once in a combo its prorated by like whatever %. Theoretically it'd be best if you use each of nirvana's move once in a combo (then any loops you can get becomes bonuses)

[Mascarpone]

Oh so there' additional proration for repeated moves in a loop? I didn't realize that :O

that makes sense then.

[Zoogstin]

to make this more complicated does the proration continue or restart if you manage to turn nirvana off and then back on mid combo?

[Mascarpone]

someone test this! XD god i cant wait till i has my own CS. but by that time it'll be console and re-balanced c.c

they better not mess with carl he's just fine =x

[DF2K]

to make this more complicated does the proration continue or restart if you manage to turn nirvana off and then back on mid combo?

I don't think it would matter, and you wouldn't be able to 2d loop since you have to keep her active the whole time.

[ZONG_one]

You can 2D loop with deactivation.

Also, Zoogz. I didn't even know that there was repeat move proration for her, but turning her off mid combo wouldn't negate that. If it's there, it's there until you drop it, or reset.

[Marionette Pwii]

i love cheap loops X3