Continuum Shift SPECULATION/THEORIES

[Alpha to Omega]

JUST FIGURED SOMETHING OUT!

Hakumen couldnot have been the jin from CT.

Why?

In Hakumens story in CS he is having reservations about 9 creating ars magus, saying he does not know how such a device could work if it draws energy from the black beasts seither. He thinks it might cause everyone to go mad.

This is a parodox in a big way, maybe even a plot hole?

Why?

Because Hakumen-Jin was still part of the NOL. Tsubaki was his Secretary instead of noel.

Soooooooo The NOL should not have existed in Hakumens original timeline (when he was jin), because there were no ars magus, if there were ars magus from the timeline he came from, he would not have reservations or be wary of it, and he would certainly know how the tech worked.

Hakumen never says he doesn't know about Ars Magus and implies he does during that conversation ("I understand far more then you know"). I think he was just trying to get Jubei's opinion to ease his own reservations since he knows what mankind will do with the Ars Magus in the future.

[ChrisX]

Okay... so I think that Arakune CAN be cured. And the cure is simple.

It's Bang.

In his story, Trinity tells him about how his Nox can sever ties to the Boundary.

It's said in one story (Lambda's maybe? I forget...) that Kokonoe thought he was already absorbed by the Boundary but that maybe he still has a form.

Thus, the good guy way would be Litchi learning of Bang's power, he thinks it over and then decides to help his rival in love since it's what a 'Man of Ikaruga' would do, and Bang would be able to sever all of Arakune's ties to the Boundary, thus leaving him back into his normal human state. Now if that would affect his mind at all (would he stay insane? Keep the knowledge?) I have no clue.

...This is assuming Litchi doesn't find another way now that she's... you know.

I think it can go this way: Litchi will be looking through informations of the NOL libraries and found nothing about curing him... except one thing: Houyoku Rettenjou. NOL might consider it a missing Nox, but it can be assured that they store its information in the library. This will spur Litchi to look for the Nox, or Hazama orders her to anyway since they'd want to gather all Nox.

This will lead her to Bang and quite possibly, Bang still doesn't know how to use the Nox since his mind is preoccupied with protecting Ikaruga. Basically, Litchi will know how to use the Nox, while Bang is the man who can use it (and they know what they want to do with it). So they have to exchange knowledge, although her NOL superiors might want to observe more on how she does her work, otherwise all bets are off.

The problem is... Litchi is the type of person who kept her troubles to herself. She wouldn't even tell the Kaka Clan, Orient Town people or Bang or Carl about her problem with Arakune, otherwise she wouldn't need to join NOL as they'd be more likely to help the best way they can unlike Kokonoe. It has to take something for her to finally learn to stop keeping things to herself and open up in order to get things right.

Though I do have another theory that might make this impossible (and it's not a happy one)

[What_The_Factor]

JUST FIGURED SOMETHING OUT!

Hakumen couldnot have been the jin from CT.

Why?

In Hakumens story in CS he is having reservations about 9 creating ars magus, saying he does not know how such a device could work if it draws energy from the black beasts seither. He thinks it might cause everyone to go mad.

This is a parodox in a big way, maybe even a plot hole?

Why?

Because Hakumen-Jin was still part of the NOL. Tsubaki was his Secretary instead of noel.

Soooooooo The NOL should not have existed in Hakumens original timeline (when he was jin), because there were no ars magus, if there were ars magus from the timeline he came from, he would not have reservations or be wary of it, and he would certainly know how the tech worked.

He also could have forgotten. Willingfully or otherwise.

[ChrisX]

Okay, guys... bear with me. What I'm speculating... might be quite a downer speculation. However, I can't help but think that this is a very much possibility...

Litchi has lost it. The kind woman we know is no more. Her love for Arakune has driven her over the hedge into extreme selfishness and made it that this world only revolve around him and her. This is why she would dare to join NOL, even while she knows that NOL is pretty much the 'public enemy'. Because she only thinks about her and Arakune only, the rest of the people in the world does not care about them (even though she NEVER revealed her problems to the common people). By joining NOL, she pretty much abandoned the common people of Orient Town, and the Kaka clan, all who thought of her positively. For her, nothing is more significant than Arakune. I wouldn't be surprised that if not stopped, and she hung around with Hazama too much, it'll be a matter of time until she develops the mindset of "This world can burn for all I care, as long as I can restore Arakune and live with him together."

We used to believe that Relius coaxed her to join by capturing Arakune, but since that was proven false... then she did it on her own volition.

Also, as seen in Rachel's story, despite in CT she thought she's a lost child, in CS' story, Litchi attacked her on the first sight and showed a very angry face. And this is before Rachel even reveals that she knew her joining NOL. This might be her true face that she concealed, one that only thinks of herself and Arakune.

I know I sound overly negative, and Litchi was one of my favorites. However, as the current story goes, I find it that she's starting to get more and more unsympathetic with her actions.

Confirm or Deny this possibility?

Thank you.

[Ehecatl]

JUST FIGURED SOMETHING OUT!

Hakumen couldnot have been the jin from CT.

Why?

In Hakumens story in CS he is having reservations about 9 creating ars magus, saying he does not know how such a device could work if it draws energy from the black beasts seither. He thinks it might cause everyone to go mad.

This is a parodox in a big way, maybe even a plot hole?

Why?

Because Hakumen-Jin was still part of the NOL. Tsubaki was his Secretary instead of noel.

Soooooooo The NOL should not have existed in Hakumens original timeline (when he was jin), because there were no ars magus, if there were ars magus from the timeline he came from, he would not have reservations or be wary of it, and he would certainly know how the tech worked.

While I do believe the Jin we saw in Jin's storyline in CT is NOT the Haku-men currently running around, as proven before, your logic is a little off as he does imply he knows of Ars Magus when he was there with Jubei.

Nevertheless, there is one glaring truth that proves the Haku-men of the current story is not the Jin we saw in CT. In Jin's story in CT, he kills Noel and he even brags about it to Ragna saying "Hey... I just killed a girl that looked just like 'her'" referring to their sister Saya of course. And again, when he notices Nu's similarities, he screams "No... I just killed you. I just killed you!!!" The current Hakumen does not know Noel on any personal level and in his story, Tsubaki was his secretary-- which would mean Noel was already dead long before he and her would ever meet and she was never there to take Tsubaki's place to begin with.

As for Litchi-- I will say that yes, she is acting very selfishly. However, I would not call her insane. Desperate-- most definitely. She's sacrificed EVERYTHING to bring Arakune back to normal. She did the same thing he did and is thus suffering the consequences! No one knows what to do. Kokonoe couldn't save Lott. Neither does she have the means (or time) to save Litchi or commit resources to helping Arakune. Litchi knows this, and even if she doesn't trust Hazama-- the man brings up a good deal of logical points about the NOL having worked with Ars Magis for a century and thus of potentially knowing a way. She has already proven since before CS that was obsessed with Arakune. It does not surprise me that she would take this route. You have to understand, people do crazy things when they feel like they're forced in a corner with no alternatives. She, at least from her perspective, very much is.

[ChrisX]

Would that make Litchi unlikable? Because most people do. I've seen other people in other forum react with annoyance and declare that Litchi has gotten more annoying.

See, the way she took her desperation instead looks like some little spoiled girl throwing a hissy fit, because her mother did not give her what she wants. This really makes her look really annoying.

If she'd issue an apology to the rest of the people that she will leave behind for joining NOL, it would make her look okay. But here? It's like "Screw you guys, I'm joining the thing you hate. And I'm not telling why". This is like one of the greatest betrayals there is and she had no qualms for it. If she even told the people of Orient Town, or Kaka clan, or Carl, or Bang about the identity of Arakune, they will most likely help her, but she didn't, thus making her act questionable and unlikable. Really, can you condone for what she did, if you trusted her, but didn't know her intentions of joining?

Thus, I don't believe her being cornered enough to look desperate. If Kokonoe and Tager refused to help them, she can turn to the people that trusted her for more information, rather than suddenly betraying them for NOL. I know she still has a good heart, but I cannot forgive her for betraying the people that trusted her. It makes her care, kindness and such towards them a big lie.

[Ehecatl]

Would that make Litchi unlikable? Because most people do. I've seen other people in other forum react with annoyance and declare that Litchi has gotten more annoying.

If she'd issue an apology to the rest of the people that she will leave behind for joining NOL, it would make her look okay. But here? It's like "Screw you guys, I'm joining the thing you hate. And I'm not telling why". This is like one of the greatest betrayals there is and she had no qualms for it. If she even told the people of Orient Town, or Kaka clan, or Carl, or Bang about the identity of Arakune, they will most likely help her, but she didn't, thus making her act questionable and unlikable. Really, can you condone for what she did, if you trusted her, but didn't know her intentions of joining?

Okay, lets think about this from her perspective. She was so obsessed with bringing Arakune back to normal that she did the same damn thing Lott did just so she could understand it! I mean... if that doesn't spell desperate, then what does? That's like you wanting to find a cure for AIDS, so you inject a whole vial of it into yourself. Except its even worse as she did more than corrupt her body with an incurable disease, she filled it with something that could turn it into a monster, not to mention destroy her soul. As a former scientist especially, that was a reckless and desperate move. And speaking of her scientific career-- she completely abandoned it when her superiors wouldn't help her on this endeavor she sacrificed so much for already. All this she did since before CT.

Now lets look at the present, this desperate doctor starts a clinic. Linhua it seems knows of her condition and keeps tabs on her. She tries to help people as she can with her clinic and even visits the Kaka kittens as one of the few humans who would even dare to-- but still why did she even do it? Because sightings proved that Arakune usually attacked Orient town and the Kaka village. See a pattern here? Do you think it a coincidence that the areas Arakune hit the most just so happen to be the areas Litchi's lives and frequents most? Sure, she may be nice to the residents-- hell she's a sweetheart. She is a caring and compassionate person by nature. However, she was there for one reason only and has devoted her entire existence to that one reason.

So is it really so unbelievable for a person who has previously displayed a willingness to leave everything she was behind for something to once again pack up and leave it all behind again when she feels someone or something else could help her to achieve her goal? As for an apology-- let me ask you, if you were her, would you have the stones to look up the Kaka clan, or Orient Town, or anyone else and say "I'm sorry I'm betraying you all but I have to?" Would you have the courage to look Carl in the eyes and tell him "I know I fought so hard to make you see not all adults are bad, but I'm about to join the thing you hate and ally with the very person you despise. Sorry."? She hasn't even the damned strength to let one person she loves go right now-- how could she have the strength to say that to everyone else she cares about? And as for them helping. In what way? What could they do to help? Are the Kaka scientists? Is Bang someone who would know a lot about Ars Magis? Would Carl or the people of Orient Town know anything about the Boundary that she doesn't already know? They couldn't help if they wanted to so of course she'd look somewhere else for help.

So no, its entirely natural for her to leave and not say a thing. Because she is desperate and she doesn't have the strength to look all her friends and loved ones in the eye to tell them what she's about to do. Oh...And again, this behavior of leaving without telling a soul isn't new for her. She didn't resign from Sector Seven. She went AWOL. Which means, when she left them, she didn't say a thing to them either! Again, see a pattern with her behavior?

She's a nice woman. She's a loving and caring person. She is compassionate and understanding. However, she is also incredibly desperate, incredibly weak, and really quite sad. She must of really loved Lott Carmine. She abandoned everything she ever knew-- twice-- for him after all. However, I still see Arakune as dieing in the end and her as having to learn to find the strength to move on. She's running from the greater problem, which is her inability to let go, made even more difficult for her considering that she's already sacrificed so much (including her very body). She'll snap out of it I believe, because she is a good person underneath, But I think Carl, Tao, and maybe even Bang will be a huge influence where that is concerned. Because when she does let Lott go, she'll need someone to help her through it. Right now though, she's just a sad, pathetic woman who feels backed in a corner with no help and no way out except for one very dark path.

But lets look at this from her perspective again. She already sold her soul once for Lott's sake... Why not again?

[ChrisX]

Whoa, that's quite the wall of text. And very civil too... thank you very much.

So is it really so unbelievable for a person who has previously displayed a willingness to leave everything she was behind for something to once again pack up and leave it all behind again when she feels someone or something else could help her to achieve her goal? As for an apology-- let me ask you, if you were her, would you have the stones to look up the Kaka clan, or Orient Town, or anyone else and say "I'm sorry I'm betraying you all but I have to?" Would you have the courage to look Carl in the eyes and tell him "I know I fought so hard to make you see not all adults are bad, but I'm about to join the thing you hate and ally with the very person you despise. Sorry."? She hasn't even the damned strength to let one person she loves go right now-- how could she have the strength to say that to everyone else she cares about? And as for them helping. In what way? What could they do to help? Are the Kaka scientists? Is Bang someone who would know a lot about Ars Magis? Would Carl or the people of Orient Town know anything about the Boundary that she doesn't already know? They couldn't help if they wanted to so of course she'd look somewhere else for help.

So no, its entirely natural for her to leave and not say a thing. Because she is desperate and she doesn't have the strength to look all her friends and loved ones in the eye to tell them what she's about to do. Oh...And again, this behavior of leaving without telling a soul isn't new for her. She didn't resign from Sector Seven. She went AWOL. Which means, when she left them, she didn't say a thing to them either! Again, see a pattern with her behavior?

Uh... you know? It's always more painful for the people to find out her activities red-handed, rather than her telling it herself. By not telling them anything, Litchi pretty much set them up for a bigger pain. She could at least tell who Arakune really is and why she cares about him a lot, without babbling towards science and all those complicated things. They could give her moral support, strengthening her will to go on and do her best, and when she left, they don't get thrown into confusion. Also, according to one of CT's endings (which are not the true one, but she probably would've realized), she stated that she's grown to like the town so much. Does that turn out to be a lie? She pretty much lied to the whole town and everyone else, telling them that she's grown to like and care them, but she never considered them friends at all. Now imagine Carl finding out about her being Relius' ally in a latter date, after she showered her kindness to him. I would premise that he'll be crushed EVEN FURTHER than last time. Basically, Litchi has doomed pretty much everyone that cares about her by not telling what she's doing. She thinks the world only revolve around her, Arakune, and to a little extent, Kokonoe and Tager, and to an even less extent, NOL. She forgot that her kindness towards Orient Town, Kaka Clan and the others could be turned into another strength to go on with her quest. This way, it makes her kindness seem like a lie to make her blend well in the community, and hell, if Imperator/Relius/Hazama told her to 'burn Orient Town, if you want more information', she might gleefully do it. After all, they're insignificant compared to Arakune in her eyes, right?

Imagine you're a father, then you find out your kid has been pickpocketing all the time (in the middle of him pickpocketing). I know you'd be mad, but if instead your kid confessed by himself that he pickpockets and says he's sorry, would you be equally mad, or less or more?

Also, Lott himself has told her that he'd rather her stop. Her not stopping would be dishonoring what he wished. She didn't have to necessarily kill him, and as she noticed, she should've been like Arakune now, but she didn't turn out like him, maintaining a normal body. Which means, her deadline was still long, she can still plan things out before even considering joining NOL.

Though I will admit that I may be treading to the wrong thing, by mistaking what could possibly turn out to be a one-time mistake, into a trait that has been with her... Hopefully it's just a one time mistake...

Lastly, while this is less speculation, Toshimichi Mori says that we won't be seeing BlazBlue anymore for awhile. For awhile as in... what? One more year until he announces the arcade version of the next installment of BlazBlue? That's quite a long time, for me to keep thinking that Litchi has completely fallen from being an universally kind woman into one extremely selfish individual (and like I said in my paragraph that you didn't quote, sounds like a spoiled girl throwing a hissy fit because her mother didn't give her what she wants).

Sorry if I sound overly negative. I'd love to like Litchi the way I was when it's only Calamity Trigger, but with these facts, I find it hard to keep my feelings. I hope this healthy discussion can continue. Thank you.

[mAc Chaos]

She didn't not tell anyone because she was like YES NOW THEY'LL ALL BE CRUSHED BAUAHAHAHAHAHAH but because she probably didn't want to burden them with her problems. She already kept most of it to herself. Just because she left doesn't mean she never liked the place. Also consider that the Boundary is basically eating her from inside out and she's terrified, it's probably not making her think clearly.

[ChrisX]

I don't think she'd think about "YES NOW THEY'LL ALL BE CRUSHED BAUAHAHAHAHAHAH", but more of the lines of, "Bah, this town is insignificant if compared to Arakune. If they ask me to burn this town to get more info about the cure, I'm totally in." I sure as hell hope I'm wrong, though.

[Ehecatl]

Sorry if I sound overly negative. I'd love to like Litchi the way I was when it's only Calamity Trigger, but with these facts, I find it hard to keep my feelings. I hope this healthy discussion can continue. Thank you.

No no. Its understandable considering what a huge shift she's taken. And I do try to be civil (though I know how I can sometimes sound like a dick). I pray I've not given you such an impression.

Anyway, as for her telling her friends-- she's not strong enough. It might be the better thing to do. But in the end, she knows what she's doing is wrong. She knows those same people will try to stop her. And she knows she doesn't want to be stopped or to have to deal with the potential disappointment in their faces. Honesty isn't always the easiest option-- especially when you're facing the people you least want to disappoint. And while it may be rational of her to do be honest for their sakes as well as hers-- when has ANYTHING she has been doing been rational? From the very start with her doing the same thing that made Arakune-- well, Arakune, she's been acting on pure, blind, desperation.

As for burning a town-- I seriously doubt she'd go that far. I believe Hazama is only going to be able to use her so far. I'm sure he's fed her plenty of crap information to make her attack people like Rachel on site without hesitation-- but she'd know better with towns-people, and despite her desperation, there is still a loving, kind, and compassionate person there. That part of her isn't a lie, else she never would have sacrificed her life for Carl's sake in one of his CT time-lines.

And speaking of Carl-- you saying that this could crush Carl even worse and make him even more likely to believe all adults are selfish monsters isn't without merit. I'm choosing to think optimistically about that and HOPING that he will grow in whatever third game comes out in the years to come so that he could be the one that's there for her. And considering how writers love to scare people just before giving them "daww" moments, and considering how Carl's current growth is an excellent opportunity for his character to build more in a third game-- I can't deny that I worry of how his reaction will be when he sees Litchi. He could regress and end up turning into his father after all. I do hope and believe though that that won't be the case. And I believe Litchi will realize in time how selfish she's been. But when she does, she's gonna need someone to give her some love I think, poor broken mess that she is.

[ChrisX]

Talking with you has been enjoyable thus far, Ehecatl. I really get a lot of good insights from what I thought of her (from the negatives). I hang around a forum with the majority of users thinking that Litchi's act made her more annoying and unlikable and claim that those who likes her only likes her boobies (and they talk her down in short, unpleasant words). I really wish she can still be likable, as I said, I still want to like her, despite being stupidly selfish. Can likability and selfishness go hand in hand? Do you still like her the way you were before (this is considering she's one of your top faves), or you were also hit with the negativity like me and now liked her less (but still managed to be rational on describing her)? I'm hoping you can share with how you feel (sorry if this paragraph isn't about theory/speculations)

And I do agree that if her erosion are getting on a rapid scale, her only option is really going to NOL for cure, it's actually pretty logical despite risky. If she stayed further in Orient Town, never willing to dirty her hand, she will turn into something like Arakune and the whole Orient Town pays the price of being consumed by her. She might've noticed that as well, thus her desperation to join NOL is now justified.

As of Carl, all I hope is that if he did snap at seeing Litchi like that, there's still Bang who will defend her and try to restore his mind as well, along with getting Litchi to finally open up to her problems that she never shared to anyone (I would think that Bang stands more chance now that he can control himself to be not too over the top in front of Litchi, as well as her seeing him in a much more positive light, to the point that one of her memories she recalled before joining NOL includes Bang). Considering Bang and Carl never appeared in the True Ending, they might meet up on the way to Ikaruga and meet her together later.

Or, perhaps, if my question about this in the other topic is confirmed, then perhaps your hope on him will come true because Carl snapping has happened in CS and Litchi has calmed him down (I assume that in Carl's last battle, he deduced that Litchi joined NOL, the organization of his father, which infuriated him very much even if she didn't say anything about joining, because they fought in a NOL branch.)

Though I get a feeling that Bang's Houyoku may have a limitation: Maybe it's been used so much before it went inactive that it can only be activated once. Bang can only choose whether he want to cure Litchi alone, or cure Arakune per her request. And that's not when it comes to other theories on how he might be able to shatter Terumi's Life Link with his weapons, meaning he might not be able to cure Litchi at all if his Houyoku ran out of uses.

Epic set. And Mori says we're not going to see them in a long time. This is why I hope I can still stay positive with Litchi until the next BB is out.

Speaking of which, I wonder how did Bang fall in love with Litchi in the first place? They never mentioned it at all, do they?

[p-kun]

^^ According to BBCM, Bang fell in love at the first sight when he saw her on the streets.

[Soothesayer]

I was playing CT and noticed that Linhua has a fang. Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me. It could just be for cuteness but she might be a yokai or beastman or something. Kokonoe calls her a little imp too, while this may just be figure of speech, it could also be implying she's an actual demon of sorts,like how Hakumen calls Kokonoe grimalkin/bakeneko

Anyway on Litchi,you all make some good points. I think she does have genuine feelings for the people of Orient Town and the kaka though, even if she didn't initially. It's kind of like how when one dons the mask long enough they start to actually become that persona instead of just playing a role. I don't think that she'd easily make the decision to wipe out the kaka(remember that she knows how from CT) or burn Orient town if the NOL told her too, even if it was for Arakune's sake. Yes, she's desperate to save him, but she's not the sort of person to readily screw over for good those she genuinely cares about. Yes she has betrayed the trust of Carl/Bang/etc but if she were ordered to say kill Carl, I do not believe she'd do it. The NOL is just another source for answers, much like how Orient Town/Lost Town originally was, however she does not have the same feelings for them which I think will largely affect her actions in the end. Problem is, she might be underestimating just how powerful Saya and her posse are.

[Narcowski]

I think she'd be pretty willing to attack (and possibly even kill) Bang though, given that

his Nox can sever ties to the boundary. It's exactly what she wants; she just needs some assurance that it can be forced to pick her next.

[ChrisX]

That goes really against her built up personality, though. Throughout Continuum Shift, Litchi no longer saw Bang as a creepy stalker like she did in her route in Calamity Trigger. In fact, they both interacted quite well and for once, in front of Litchi, Bang is not overreacting weirdly. Also, if Bang's story turned out to be true, then Litchi is pretty much indebted to him as he did save her from a certain 'death'. I don't think she'd be petty enough to

attack/kill to steal his Nox for her own purposes. I would surmise that she probably would try to ask kindly first. A fight will break out, but she wouldn't kill Bang for that. She's been friends with him, she remembered him fondly before joining NOL, I don't think she will have the heart to kill him, just like she won't have the heart to kill Carl.

[TheDarkWall]

I don't really hate litchi but at the same time I see her as a tad selfish, but in a selfless way if that makes sense. Essentially what annoys me about her is shes one of those people that don't really think or care about people she doesn't know, and selfishly clings to past relationships, no matter if that person is hurting / killing people or not ( arakune ). So ya imo while its not as pretty I think she needs to suck it up and kill him unless she can contain him, which she can't. So ya that annoys me but at the same time she seems like a kind well meaning person so even though she doesn't have the stomach to do the right thing, I can't really hate either. To me her inner weakness kinda just makes her a bystander character.

[Obsessed]

Bang's Nox apparently can sever ties with the Boundary. Does this mean that he can cure Litchi and Arakune?

It seems to me that this is going to be the case in the final game.

[For Nanaya]

I've read through the last page on the Litchi issue. I think Carl would understand; both are trying to save someone nobody gives a damn about. Tao, seeming to become slightly more aware of her surroundings in her true end, would have to decide between the loving doctor with bewbs or the squiggly who massacres her friends. Band would have a similar problem, his love for her or his love for justice. Ultimately, I don't know if Hazama can spin the truth any further to prevent Litchi from going AWOL.

[ChrisX]

Really, huh? Last I read from Suzaku's translations, Tao made no comment about Litchi in the True End, so I suppose she just... forgot. But it's typical of Tao to forget, so I excused that.

On the other hand, talking about future development, I'm starting to wonder how they'll take her relationship with Tager and Kokonoe later. Litchi pretty much has every reason to be mad at them for practically doing nothing until she ends up joining NOL, the problem is... will she be angry at them next time they meet, or she still tries to be civil, not blaming them?

And then there's Kokonoe. Judging from her persona, would she even resolve to kill her as a traitor? Because she seemed to hate Terumi very much, and for her ex-disciple to join that man, it would be a very great betrayal on her and I think she might be driven to kill her off (unlike in Litchi's alt where she helped her, because she never did join NOL).

[harmless kitten]

Just as a note, Noel not surviving to meet Jin in Hakumen's timeline was minorly hinted in her CT arcade. He questions her existence and says he doesn't "know" her.

I'm wondering two things: whether Saya is Take-Mikazuchi's (death satellite) owner, not the Library (one of the scientists during CT's intro is like the Library can't have this power!), and whether Terumi was originally created as a prime field. The memories Noel observed were his memories of him and other prime fields being experimented upon, much like Lambda was, and it's why his portrait is less gleeful and more crazy and pained when he starts telling Noel about them. It also adds a very nice irony to him mindraping Noel to turn her into a Murakumo Unit. But this one is pretty cracky and out there, I admit, and I don't expect it to be true.

edit: Or hell, he might have been the original Susano'o Unit. Amaterasu is heavily implied to have been a prime field that contacted the Azure, why not Susano'o?

[Soothesayer]

Terumi is the original Susano'o, that much is confirmed.

[harmless kitten]

Was it? AFAIK, it was only confirmed he inhabited before Jin, not that he was the original or even that he became/was made into the Susano'o Unit before ripping himself out. Or his spirit. Eh.

[ChrisX]

Hm, there's one thing that bugged me about Litchi's alt ending, since this seems to be more of speculation. After she killed Arakune, she was bed-ridden and Kokonoe rushed in to help her, ignoring her vendetta against Terumi for the moment and concentrated in an attempt to save her.

Now, if Litchi did not kill Arakune, but never accepted Hazama's offer to join NOL, and waited longer... would Kokonoe still try to save her, forgetting her grudge with Terumi, just like her alternate ending? Thanks to the alternate ending, we know that if she doesn't join NOL, she only have months to live normally and stuck there.

Also, since Kokonoe in the alternate ending seemed VERY determined to save her rather than being very sure that she has it under control with the current technology, does this imply that Sector Seven actually doesn't have an instant cure like NOL?

[For Nanaya]

I just wanted to share a crack theory I have.

Tager is Tenjo's son. Just guessing.