ZhePrime Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 you know what I'd like to see? J.214B bounce somehow so we can get our own crescent loop combo :] Well, Hazama has a j.214B loop vs. Tager aldready
Fireryda Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 dunno... I like having the knockdown from j.214B.
Redefinition Posted October 3, 2010 Posted October 3, 2010 Doesn't (5C 2C j.214B)x2 also work on Rachel and Haku on FC?
PhoenonX Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 "Hazama - Hazama 5B 3C 214D~C doesn't connect anymore. Might be replaced with 5B 3C 214D~B since 3C lifts higher now? - Chain doesn't replenish gauge on block" Eh, Just keeps recieving more and more nerfs, though I'm not surprised I guess. Still, losing his main BNB...
zdravkelja Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I don't understand these nerfs, really... 3C 214D~C... It's main combo starter... The only one 214D~B, untechable time is not that big to follow it up with chains. They went so wrong with this. They took out Bangs main combo, Ragnas all combos ()... They had better worked on proration or something like that. I'm only relieved because these are not final changes...
ZhePrime Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 It's just loketest at the moment, nothing is set in stone.
Klaige Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Regardless of whether that change sticks, this just proves that mori and crew have no fucking idea what they are doing. The change to chains, while i dislike, makes sense as a balancing tool. It'll force hazama to play a bit smarter with the chains, i'm all for a change like that. Then for no goddamn reason you take away a characters main BnB on the ground. What is the point of that? Ise 214D~C into launch really that fucking strong? Are we serious with this shit? Hazama's BnB combo mechanics are fine. Leave that shit alone, this is just changing shit for the sake of changing shit.
sixteen-bit Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 loketest more like joketest amirite? ugh, 3C 214D~C makes the world go round
Eclipse Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Wow, I never thought they'd take out something so important. I'm glad it's just a loketest, but if this sticks. We're more or less screwed. The only thing I can think of to balance it out, would be allowing 5B > 3C > 214D~B > 4D~D > j.214B#. Or something of that sort. He'd still be worse, but we should at least be able to follow up 214D~B without a CH or he has no BnB. Othewise, we'll have to start going for mixup and comboing directly from 214D~C. 3C will have no use though... Having the chains not replenish on block will also make it much more difficult to play Hazama, but still possible. I'll just cross my fingers and hope they don't keep this change.
kazukifafner Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I still don't see the purpose of complaining about it until we see the final product. I mean, yeah, 3C > 214D-C being removed would be terrible for the current Hazama, but after all the changes are made, we have no clue if it'll really be that bad or not.
Drill Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I still don't see the purpose of complaining about it until we see the final product. I mean, yeah, 3C > 214D-C being removed would be terrible for the current Hazama, but after all the changes are made, we have no clue if it'll really be that bad or not. While admittedly, our American voices don't matter too much, isn't it how the fans react and such to the Loketests that ultimately influence the final product? They try something, it nerfs too hard, they fix it. They make something OP, people say so, they fix it. So while on one hand, it is a bit silly to call RUINED FOREVER at a loketest, it is sorta important and simply part of the process to me. We're acting like any other players, just we aren't within earshot of ASW. So a bit of complaining doesn't seem too bad long as it doesn't reach critical levels. And if I'm wrong about ALL of the above, then I'm a scrub who needs to GTFO the nets and this post can be ignored. But yeah, if they end up removing 3c > 214D-C, that's the most bullshit thing ever. That just wrecks Hazama 101.
lxMetalSonicxl Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Damn ya'll niggaz need to relax. Hazama was too strong so they had to take some stuff. It's gonna come back, just wait for it. If not, switch to Jin =)
Guardian Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 If we can't do 3C 214D~C, that just means we'll have to do 3C, 214D~D, 2B, 5C, 4D~D, etc. It just becomes a minor damage nerf, which is ok b/c hazama's BnBs w/o a CH or Hotenjin didn't do much dmg anyways. These nerfs actually don't seem too bad, considering japs have him at #3.
J-KT21 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Hazama: 6A->Jayoku works (I don't even know why this is listed, maybe didn't work in loketest 1?) Air throw can be followed up by Zaneiga (214D~C). + 214D~C now makes the opponent spin in the air(?) - 3C knocks opponent upwards - cannot cancel throws into chain - jC: no longer jump cancelable? Gauge not replenishing on block is retarded. Random Ds to > 236C seems like it won't be worth it at all and using chains to get out of pressure also. So, hum, 3C knocking upward? I'm not sure I get it. It's supposed to knockdown a damn sweep and it knocks upward? Does that mean that we won't be able to follow up 3C to 236D-C from afar anymore? And j.C not JC'able is tremendously stupid, what will he rack damage with now?
FormerlyUnknown Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 maybe they're giveing hazama more combo options so he won't need 3c 214d~c anymore? o3o
kazukifafner Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 While admittedly, our American voices don't matter too much, isn't it how the fans react and such to the Loketests that ultimately influence the final product? They try something, it nerfs too hard, they fix it. They make something OP, people say so, they fix it. Well, the problem is that this only based on what we're told. We don't actually know how bad it is unless we actually participate in the loketest.
Kumlekar Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 wait, if 3c knocks upwards does that mean 3C -> 5C ->air combo works (basically eliminating the 214D-C)?
murrburger Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 I'm a bit worried about this loketest... I'm new here, but how often are they done, every weekend? I'm half-Japanese (but live in Canada), so I can read if anyone needs me to.
a Lisianthus Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 3c can't gatling to any other normal.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3whHo26uu0 only thing that seems to combo is 3c->236d, 3c->rc and 3c->houtenjin
Tachyons Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 3C never had a gatling in BBCS. Only special/DD cancel. 3C floats the opponent and can tech on landing in that loketest video in stead of tripped and on the ground for a long time.
zdravkelja Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 3C should be an universal goddamned sweep. Wtf... It can combo into 214D~B, at least at corner but it cannot be followed up with 4D. Madness, I don't see any other way to start a combo without 50%. jC not jump cancelable... Cannot follow up throw with D moves. C tier at best
J-KT21 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 3C should be an universal goddamned sweep. Wtf... It can combo into 214D~B, at least at corner but it cannot be followed up with 4D. Madness, I don't see any other way to start a combo without 50%. jC not jump cancelable... Cannot follow up throw with D moves. C tier at best Probably less than C tier if they keep him like that, as he can't do complete combos and his sweep pretty much is not a sweep anymore.
Eclipse Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 I'd be all for them taking out many of his options, and replacing them with new ones that are just as stable. Like 3C > 214D~B > 4D~A > 4D~D > j.214B# Or making 236D comboable. As long as they balance him out in the end, and he can actually combo, it'll be fine. I'd be all for new combos and mixup since I love learning new things. I guess it's just a matter of how much faith we have in the company. And if we believe they really know what they're doing.
LordSpectreX Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 So is 214DC going to have any point? Slow, obvious lows are kinda useless.
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