[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[BlackYakuzu94]

Yea, I've seen it a lot too. They can tech because that j.2C blue beats.

[dioxideUniversa]

presumably they would do it because the extra hits don't add that much extra damage but reduce hakumen's oki options

i've seen it more commonly used against very high level hakumen players

[mAc Chaos]

It's probably the same as letting 6A hit you.

[CupofT]

Makes sense. Extra 100~ damage for Hakumen to lose a couple options is a decent trade.

[Spark]

If they don't tech before the j.2C you can always combo j.2C into 3C on landing for a bit of damage, meter and knockdown still.

[psycofang2]

which i repeat, it doesnt make sense to take the blow.

[dioxideUniversa]

did they change j.C's hitbox?

http://www.dustloop.com/guides/bbcse/hitbox/hakumen/j.C.html

[mAc Chaos]

Well that's weird. It would have to hit the blue part no matter what...

[BlackYakuzu94]

So J.C has a hitbox on the body now.

[mAc Chaos]

in b4 jC crossups

[Spark]

I think j.C lost it's landing recovery too.

[Wander]

Spark, does the forward hop seem faster than in EX?

[mAc Chaos]

That was a confirmed buff.

[dioxideUniversa]

i thought only back was confirmed

[mAc Chaos]

Oh. Maybe.

[psycofang2]

did they change j.C's hitbox?

http://www.dustloop.com/guides/bbcse/hitbox/hakumen/j.C.html

it probably has a side sweeping hitbox.

also i thought forward and back hops being faster were both confirmed buffs.

[Spark]

Back is definitely way faster, the forward dash felt the same. So if it did get buffed it wasn't by much.

[Errol]

frame data says forward is the same and back is 15f instead of 27f.

it would seem really odd to me to remove the landing recovery on j.C since they just put it BACK on platinum's j.C.

But maybe they did. a 4f landing recovery is pretty hard to see to me unless you get hit out of it. Does this actually mean anything? I don't ever feel like the landing recovery on Jin or Mu's j.Cs has any real effect on gameplay. the hitboxes are too large for it to matter, but then I play short range characters.

Edited August 12, 2013 by Errol

[mAc Chaos]

thank you mr glasses

[Moy_X7]

You mean Mr. Panties and Arm

What's the deal with Haku's j.C beating Jin's j.C after a teched throw? Am I just mistiming my j.C?

[mAc Chaos]

Could be a range issue.

[Moy_X7]

Yeah, I just tested it again and Hakumen's j.C reduces his hit-box enough to not get hit by Jin's j.C, meanwhile Hakumen's j.C has enough reach to send Jin flying.

[mAc Chaos]

[BlackYakuzu94]

We're one step close to dethroning him.

[Moy_X7]

You win this one Haku