itsme Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Also I'm probably the only one who cares but, http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20408038 Yay, more Mugen stuff.
psycofang2 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 looks legit. hopefully we can combo into super mugen. i dont think we can combo into mugen like we can in CSEX but i can DREAM.
itsme Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 I just think it's neat we can combo into it from Yukikaze now though we have to be at 8 mags with OD active.
Wander Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 i dont think we can combo into mugen like we can in CSEX but i can DREAM. does this count? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8nlvaWwhlE&t=1m15s
psycofang2 Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 does this count? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8nlvaWwhlE&t=1m15s holy wall sphincters! the made it even EASIER to combo into it. we could do some ol bs like grab>mugen>renka>kishuu>OD>tear their face off.
itsme Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 we could do some ol bs like grab>mugen>renka>kishuu>OD>tear their face off. I thought we had this discussion already and came to the conclusion that going straight into OD from a grab nets us more than Mugen.
psycofang2 Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 nah i mean as a set up. im more than positive the combo wont go further past renka kishuu OD something. when they tech you are very close to them, at the advantage with super mugen already active is what im getting at.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 It looks like Hakumen is no longer in CH state for the entire duration of 4c anymore.
Sophisticat Posted March 24, 2013 Author Posted March 24, 2013 You can cancel 4c as well, actually. This should make it much more viable.
itsme Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 nah i mean as a set up. im more than positive the combo wont go further past renka kishuu OD something. when they tech you are very close to them, at the advantage with super mugen already active is what im getting at. That would be pretty awesome if you pull a huge clutch like that. I can actually see something like landing two 4k combos for 8k and make the second one kill Mugen by hitting the Shippu as you recover mags while you're still in OD to continue the pressure after you flip the life lead. It looks like Hakumen is no longer in CH state for the entire duration of 4c anymore. That would be great but are you sure it's through the entire duration? I mean, all the moves in CP lost bunch of their CH state frames, maybe its just really short somewhere between the start up and active frame(s).
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 I never said it doesn't have a CH state anymore, I'm saying that he is no longer in CH state for the ENTIRE time you press 4c. Obviously he still has a CH state when doing 4c, but it's no longer for the entire active frames once you press 4c.
Skeletal Minion Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 You can cancel 4c as well, actually. This should make it much more viable. I'm really excited about this from a "man, that's really cool" perspective. From a competitive, "will it actually be good" perspective I'm kinda worried though. I've only seen it used in matches a handful of times. Seems like the feint's speed isn't so great.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 The feint is useless no one does it, 4c is still only optimal against tager and I'd assume Carl too, and maybe Relius too. The fact that 4c can link into a 3.5k Shippu makes it scarier in those matchups.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 Fully charged 4C should be unblockable and hit 30 times.
Skeletal Minion Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 ^Can the feint be done while charging a fully charged 4C, or can the feint only be done on non-charge 4C? If it's doable on charge 4C's startup, I could see it improving that, if only VERY slightly. Currently, in addition to everything else about charge 4C being awful, it also requires commitment. This would at least make it so you can change your mind.
toanenadiz Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 It is a feint (like Lambda's j214D~C) and not a cancel (like Hazama's 5D~A) right?
psycofang2 Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 yeah how did feint pop up? its a cancel and from how slow it is, i dont think itll be all that useful than csex 4C tbqh. at most and if done fast enough it could possible save you from a wrong guess.
toanenadiz Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 So he can cancel 4C after he hits the opponent? I thought he could only cancel it during the start-up, hence it being called a feint.
mAc Chaos Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 No, he can cancel out of the startup from what it looks like. But it's not something like Lambda's crescent where you have to do the input right away. I think you can cancel it as long as the move hasn't come out yet.
psycofang2 Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 i thought a feint was where an attack looks like its about to come out but can be cancelled mid way through into something else. like litchis 6 the attack appears to almost go active but stops mid way. hakumens 4C cancel gives itself away by not going right back to idle position it actually shows him slowly putting the sword down.
toanenadiz Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 Litchi's 6 actually doesn't stop. She just continues turning around and puts her leg back down without it going active. It just happens really fast, much faster than Hakumen's 4C feint/cancel. Similarly, Lambda's j214D~C has her continue the animation for TK crescent just without the actual projectile fully coming out.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 My point is the feint sucks, I only use a charged 4c when I'm trolling and have a fumajin around me for lolzy air unblockable or guard crush instances. Chibaken was using the feint or whatever it's called, but he stopped doing it probably because of the recovery of it, and other than him, I haven't seen any high dan hakumen players use it. Also Kyakuu is like the new tenchi of CP, I swear everytime I watch him on a-cho there's also new Kishin/OD combo applications he comes up with or simply insane combos without OD. And Sakamoto and Chin need to run an ft10 set in CP -__-
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